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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 4, 2015.

Charles.Marvin Green

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted WP:G7 by GB fan. ( non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk) 00:15, 5 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Has period in article title by mistake Checkingfax ( talk) 19:20, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

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Hockey on the ice

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 16#Hockey on the ice

Israeli Secret Intelligence Service

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted WP:G3 by CactusWriter. ( non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk) 00:15, 5 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Inappropriate redirect with no better target. Based on a WP:FRINGE conspiracy theory about the supposed US/Israeli origins of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. The ISIS article doesn't mention it. A CSD seems sensible, but I can't determine a criterion that fits. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

  • @ SimonTrew: On what basis are you proposing that? What relevance is the MOSSAD redirect? Are you basing that on your own interpretation of the combination of words? This is not another name for Mossad. It's what someone said the acronym ISIS "really" stands for, more or less. Here's a metaphor, at the risk of further confusing things :) - It's like if someone said "the CIA really stands for 'Canadians in America'" because of some conspiracy theory about the CIA allowing some kind of illicit Canadian immigration... and then Wikipedia actually redirected Canadians in America to Central Intelligence Agency without the latter even mentioning the non-notable theory. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:00, 4 September 2015 (UÉÉ
  • Look at this (randomly chosen from the first page of ghits). That is the basis for the creation of this redirect. It's not another name for Mossad. It's an obscure conspiracy theory about the Islamic State's origins. Someone looking for that title would be looking for [an incorrect version of] the Islamic State article, not Mossad. Bad faith has nothing to do with it (and I don't know how to take a statement that I'm "being WP:BADFAITH" -- assuming? acting in?); you've simply provided poor justification for your argument beyond what would also justify redirecting Israel's Agency Kind of Like the CIA or MI5 (i.e. something someone might possibly type in when they're looking for Mossad). Perhaps I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying (e.g. I don't know what "[We] had lots about ISIS and ISIL and various others" means) or perhaps I'm mistaken in my understanding of what constitutes an appropriate title/redirect. It's entirely possible. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment. Sorry. I wanted to say explicitly that User:Rhododendrites was not in bad faith nor did I take it that way, but I could see it may seem so. I should have expressed myself more clearly in saying so, and I have apologised to Rhodes on that user's talk page, but when someone is wrong, one should own up to it, and I was wrong: as I said at the user's talk page, I should prefer to make a more public apology, and thus I do here. Si Trew ( talk) 09:05, 5 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Cochrane Database Syst Rev

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus on the database redirects; they will remain as they are. Keep the library redirects. -- BDD ( talk) 13:45, 16 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Cochrane collaboration
Cochrane library

I was doing some cleanup for WP:JCW earlier, and I started updating some of these redirects given some were pointing to the Cochrane Collaboration, and others to the Library. I updated most of them to point to the collaboration, but I have a nagging doubt that what I did may not be the best solution possible, so I'm starting this RFD so we can decide what's the best course of action from here on.

The best solution, IMO, would be to have a specific article on the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, and redirect the first set of links to that target. Failing that, however, we need to decide if it's best to point them to Cochrane Library or Cochrane Collaboration. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:12, 28 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD ( talk) 16:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
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市区重建局

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. I discounted arguments based on FORRED, since there's obviously a connection between the target articles and Chinese languages. There's some feeling that the hatnotes currently on each of the targets are sufficient to allay confusion. -- BDD ( talk) 13:56, 16 September 2015 (UTC) reply

These ambiguous Chinese-language (one simplified, one traditional) redirects point to two organisations with the same Chinese name but different English names. I suggest that we delete both due to the potential of confusion. Both Hong Kong and Singapore recognise traditional and simplified Chinese characters (although HK defaults to traditional, SG to simplified) so I'd argue that WP:FORRED applies equally to both possible targets. Der yck C. 14:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC) reply

I'd accept disambiguation as an alternative. Der yck C. 12:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is probably headed towards disambiguation, but questions remain. Which one would be the dab, for one?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD ( talk) 16:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Alternatively, if you keep it the way it is, the hatnotes take care of everything and you don't need to answer those questions. -- Tavix ( talk) 17:10, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[[ i reply
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Lists of endangered languages/UNESCO definitions

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The result of the discussion was move to UNESCO definitions of endangered languages, without leaving a redirect. -- BDD ( talk) 17:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Article created entirely in good faith, perhaps under the impression that the slash would make it a sub-page. Ran afoul of copyright problems, unused, redirected. However, as it stands it's a highly improbable redirect, so should perhaps now be deleted. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 08:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC) reply

  • Weak Keep - While these kinds of redirects do mean that you have to be typing, have the text you need, but then keep on typing... I still see this as being reasonably helpful even if it's relatively improbable that someone would type it out. I can imagine someone searching this or writing this, in good faith, even if it's not likely. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 10:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Dangit

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The result of the discussion was retarget. -- BDD ( talk) 17:46, 15 September 2015 (UTC) reply

The target is a disambiguation page for places and people named "Dang", none of which are also known as "Dangit". Retargeting to Damnation#As profanity might be one option. I guess it depends on the consensus for what to do with all the other minced oaths that have been nominated today. 58.176.246.42 ( talk) 12:31, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

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Goink

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 17:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Delete — alleged to be an ethnic slur for people of mixed Chinese & Korean descent, but outside of Urban Dictionary & sources which quoted them I can't find anyone actually using the word this way, it clearly has other meanings, and anyway that topic is not covered by the target. 58.176.246.42 ( talk) 12:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Okay, well, after trying to look up more details about where the hell the term "Goink" came from and what it means, there seems to be no one single agreed upon definition. I've changed my mind. Let's just leave the text red: Delete. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 15:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC) reply
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Rejection of profanity

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 13:24, 11 September 2015 (UTC) reply

The redirect targeting Minced oath just isn't correct. A minced oath isn't the rejection of profanity, but rather an altercation. The title of the redirect is a bit suitable for a WP:REDLINK deletion in regards to a possible subject for the rejection of profanity in different cultures, etc. With that being said, weak retarget to Profanity or delete. Steel1943 ( talk) 06:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

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Mother trucker

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Motherfucker. -- BDD ( talk) 17:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC) reply

These redirects are examples of minced oaths, but the redirects are not identified by subject at the target article. For this reason, the helpfulness of these redirects is questionable since the subject of the redirects isn't identified by subject at the target. Unless good retargeting options can be found for these redirects, I say either soft retarget to Wiktionary (if there is a corresponding entry) or delete. Steel1943 ( talk) 06:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

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Shootdangit

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 17:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC) reply

This redirect is an example of a minced oath, but the redirect is not identified by subject at the target article. For this reason, the helpfulness of this redirect is questionable since the subject of the redirect isn't identified by subject at the target. Unless a good retargeting option can be found for this redirect, I say either soft retarget to Wiktionary (if there is a corresponding entry) or delete. Steel1943 ( talk) 06:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

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Strewth

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 17:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC) reply

This redirect is an example of a minced oath, but the redirect is not identified by subject at the target article. For this reason, the helpfulness of this redirect is questionable since the subject of the redirect isn't identified by subject at the target. Unless a good retargeting option can be found for this redirect, I say either soft retarget to Wiktionary (if there is a corresponding entry) or delete. Steel1943 ( talk) 06:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Comment: Yes, in the King James Bible, new testament, they strewed their Lord with lilies, and indeed Graham Chapman as Brian thus spake in Life of Brian. Si Trew ( talk) 19:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
I'm an idiot, that would be strewn as past historic. Si Trew ( talk) 19:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Retarget but not sure quite where. No, it is an Australianism for "(God's) Honest Truth". I just happen to know that because "strew" is kinda my mame. Retarget to Australian slang, I think, or something similar, it is just strine. Si Trew ( talk) 19:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
cack-handed sig by me
I'm not happy with that, Tavix, as the Wikt article just says it is past participle of "strew". We don't have strew here at Wikipedia (and I am resisting the temptation to redirect it to User:SimonTrew so that would seem a bit WP:RFD#D2 confusing. I did declare a special interest here in that it just happens to be how I write my name and my signature, in real life, as "strew". Si Trew ( talk) 06:32, 7 September 2015 (UTC) reply
@ SimonTrew:, I think I agree with you here. Delete per WP:R#D2. -- Tavix ( talk) 20:32, 9 September 2015 (UTC) reply
I'm deleting my retarget vote. I don't really mind if it is kept, I am sometimes known as one of a pair of trews since I am a twin (though we are seldom seen together, living a long way apart from each other: you'll be glad to hear that one of us is a tall, rich, successful good looking blond, but I am the other one), and so I am used to having puns on my surname and that don't bother me, but I just genuinely think this is confusing and I agree with Tavix it should go Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 06:53, 14 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Comment you might also notice that my surname is about the only one, at least an English one, that you can type on one hand on your QWERTY keyboard. Leaves the other hand free for choking down booze and fags. Si Trew ( talk) 07:01, 14 September 2015 (UTC) reply
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By word

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The result of the discussion was dabify Byword—thanks to Neelix for doing that—and retarget the rest there. -- BDD ( talk) 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) reply

From what I am seeing per research, "by-words" aren't exclusively/always "minced oaths", so there is an WP:XY issue here. So, probably soft retarget to Wiktionary or delete. Steel1943 ( talk) 05:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

  • That statement enforces my WP:XY concern. On that note, I have added Byword and Bywords to this nomination. (I do not think that a disambiguation page would be appropriate due to the lack of a strong connection between the term "byword" and these subjects.) (Withdrew this statement due to now being neutral on creating a disambiguation page, as mentioned below in the discussion. Steel1943 ( talk) 19:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)) Steel1943 ( talk) 06:55, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
  • wikt:byword means "proverb" WP:POFRED shows that redirects are used for synonyms to target the article where the topic appears. There's no problem here. We can always convert "byword" to a disambiguation page, to point to synonym, nickname, epithet, and proverb, instead of having a hatnote on "proverb". Or repoint all of them to "synonym" and hatnote to the others. At any rate, we have articles on the topics that this is an alternate name for, so wiktionary is the wrong place to go, since content appears on Wikipedia for this topic(s). It's not as if no content appears on Wikipedia, and therefore it should go to Wiktionary, we actually have articles on the topic(s) on Wikipedia. Wiktionary already shows this has strong connections to the topics per POFRED alternate names for our topics. -- 70.51.202.113 ( talk) 07:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Yep that makes more sense, Retarget all. Struck my delete above, Si Trew ( talk) 19:13, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Ot tried to but had a bit of sneeiying dunno why, I get hay fever but it is not the time of year for that. Tried again. Si Trew ( talk) 19:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
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Drat

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Danged

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 15#Danged

'sfoot

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 15#'sfoot

'Sblood

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 14#'Sblood

Egad

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 14#Egad

Gosh darn

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For crying out loud

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The result of the discussion was Retarget as {{ R from other capitalization}}, to which I shall Rcat, and no-brainer. ( non-admin closure) Si Trew ( talk) 10:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

This redirect is an example of a minced oath, but the redirect is not identified by subject at the target article. For this reason, the helpfulness of this redirect is questionable since the subject of the redirect isn't identified by subject at the target. Unless a good retargeting option can be found for this redirect, I say either soft retarget to Wiktionary (if there is a corresponding entry) or delete. Steel1943 ( talk) 05:37, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

It is not a minced oath. My mother used to shout this at me when I was six years old, and she did not mince her words(but I have never known her swear, "bloody" is about as far as she gets). I have marked it as R from other caps.
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Chrissake

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 12#Chrissake

Gawt deem

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Jeez

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 12#Jeez

Dagnabbit

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 11#Dagnabbit

What the ****

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 11#What the ****

Fugged

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 11#Fugged

Frig (interjection)

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The result of the discussion was procedural close on the first, retarget the rest to Frig (interjection). Thanks, Neelix! -- BDD ( talk) 13:15, 11 September 2015 (UTC) reply

The redirect(s) is/are example(s) of (a) minced oath, but the redirect(s) is/are not identified by subject at the target article. For the reason, the helpfulness of the(se) redirect(s) is questionable since the subject of the redirect isn't identified as a subject, but goes to an article which it is an example. For these reasons, unless (a) good retargetting option(s) can be found for the(se) redirects, I say either soft retarget to Wiktionary (if there is a corresponding entry) or delete. Steel1943 ( talk) 05:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply

From what I am seeing on Frig, that is actually false. The only term on there these could refer is the subject of Frig (interjection) ... which, of course, is a redirect to Minced oath and part of this nomination. Steel1943 ( talk) 07:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
There's two values, "sexual intercourse" and "masturbation" that appears on the disambiguation page, aside from the interjection value, so yes, there are multiple values there. With the addition of the new entry, that would be another. -- 70.51.202.113 ( talk) 07:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
At any rate, "frigs" should point there regardless, as a plural, since it is a list of multiple frig values, they are frigs. -- 70.51.202.113 ( talk) 07:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
Disagree I think Frig should go to Frigate, {{ R from abbreviation}}, but in civil engineering (or perhaps very uncivil enginnering) a frig factor is what to add in to covertt hat at walls are never square nor cables cut to the right length, or as a good friend of mine once did, being paid by the metre, As a Chartered Engineer once quoted to me, "Do the estimates and add ten percent for luck". Much as I love{{{ convert}}, we still have not yet the tag frig_factor there.
If, like my good mate Fred, you get a job and told to do the bannister]s, stair rods and stair rails while his mate did the walls, while you are paid by the square metre, he lost on that one!. But it is not, as far as I am aware, a roundabout way of pretending not saying "fuck". Si Trew ( talk) 09:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
No, ho, we cannot do that. Frig itself is a DAB, which doesn't mention its use as going round the houses to say " Fuck" at all. Which considering its long and ancient history, as documented encylopaeidacallay at Fuck, deserves a mention at that DAB. Too many people being too mealy-mouthed here. I rarely swear, but we are discussing swear words, so it is hardly evitable though it may be inevitable. Si Trew ( talk) 16:08, 4 September 2015 (UTC) reply
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