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User:Btphelps/Sandbox/Walter E. Lauer

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The result of the discussion was speedied. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC) reply

housekeeping -- article moved to mainspace — btphelps ( talk to me) ( what I've done) 22:46, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Ledger stone

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 22:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Apparently, this is actually a type of building material for homes and fireplaces, but I am unable to find a suitable retargetting option. Steel1943 ( talk) 21:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Chipkali

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, default to keep. The main debate here is whether "chipkali" has been assimilated into Indian / Pakistani English, or just a Hindi / Urdu word. There is no consensus on this matter so I'm closing as "default to keep" for now. Der yck C. 09:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Lizards are not exclusive to the Hindi language. ( WP:FORRED.) Steel1943 ( talk) 20:39, 2 August 2015 (UTC) reply

  • Weak keep: as plausible search term. Sorry, but I don't follow the rationale for deletion. Google leads me to believe that people in some places might know these animals by the Hindi name "chipkali" and search for them as such. (Re-target to a more specific article, e.g. Gecko, might make sense, but I couldn't say which that would be.) Wdchk ( talk) 22:24, 2 August 2015 (UTC) – updated 01:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC) reply
Thanks for the clarification. I have updated my opinion to "Weak keep", but still not "Delete", just because I have the feeling (and honestly I don't know) that this may be a case where a foreign term has been assimilated into a dialect of English. However, if the consensus is that it's a purely foreign term, fair enough, WP:FORRED applies. Wdchk ( talk) 01:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC) reply
I, too, wonder if it is a true loanword, especially given Si Trew's comment below. If there is decent proof that it is a loanword, then it's worth keeping. If not, then it's not. Steel1943 ( talk) 20:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply
It's also the nickname of a character, Aurora, in one of Salman Rushdie's books, who would "strive to be an invisible onlooker to the subject of her paintings, just like a 'lizard on the wall'." – a quote that makes that sense clear. But I haven't pinned that down yet beyond the quotes in biographies; I'm not familiar with Rushdie's work. (And somehow we would have to route it to the more natural fly on the wall.)
I'm inclined, with User:Wdchk, to keep it, as it does seem to be being assimilated into Indian English or at least Pakistani English, but none of the major online dictionaries have it yet. It would be better off at Wiktionary, but I doubt that will happen any time soon, and I'm not competent to draft an entry there. Si Trew ( talk) 06:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC) reply
A search term for what? Lizards? Geckos? An Urdu term of endearment? A Salman Rushdie character? How did you come to this determination? -- BDD ( talk) 14:11, 11 August 2015 (UTC) reply
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Is God real?

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Existence of God and delete, respectively. -- BDD ( talk) 17:50, 22 August 2015 (UTC) reply

WP:NOTFAQ.

WP:NOTFAQ, and we're not Jeopardy.

* WhatIsGodGod  ( links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ]  [Withrdraw one see WP:POFRED "Old-style CamelCase links (if already in existence)". Now identified as that on the redirect page]

WP:NOTFAQ and WP:RFD#D8. Especially improbable because "is" is capitalized.

Godsy( TALK CONT) 01:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC) reply

Keep WhatIsGod, per Ivanvector. I wasn't sure whether that was an old CamelCase redirect (I wouldn't keep newly-created ones) but in a blinding flash of inspiration I checked the history to find it was created back in 2002. Without prejudice, I've tagged it as {{ R from CamelCase}}. Delete the others. Si Trew ( talk) 15:46, 31 July 2015 (UTC) reply
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  • Retarget Is God Real? per Just Chillin to Existence of God, which is the topic on hand. Keep - What is God to God, as What is God refers to more than mere existence. As no argument has been advanced for deletion, I cannot comment on why some editors would !vote for deletion for seemingly no reason at all. Wily D 09:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Retarget Is God real? to Existence of God per Just Chilling: the article examines the question of the real-ness of God in a balanced discussion. Delete What is God (repeated !vote) per the rationale I gave earlier; respectfully, WilyD's insistence that I did not give one is pointy and insulting to Godsy, to me, and to the others who have given clear rationale for their arguments here. If you'd like to argue that the deletion arguments stated are weak or not valid then please do so, rather than simply stating that none were given when they clearly have been. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 14:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC) reply
    • I can't address deletion rationales if none are provided. With respect to unrelated states/non sequitors, nothing can be said except "These are not rationales for deletion, they're unrelated statements". One can't respond to reasoning that doesn't exist. Wily D 15:41, 12 August 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Retarget Is God real? to Existence of God, since it's referring specifically to God's existence (rather than God in general), neutral on What is God. SONIC678| Hang out with me! 18:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC) reply
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Z word

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The result of the discussion was retarget. -- BDD ( talk) 22:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

A trope in horror/fantasy movies which feature obviously common monsters but go to great lengths to not call them what they are is supposedly originated by Shaun of the Dead, but that bit of trivia is not featured in the film's article, and obviously was known prior to this movie since Shaun referenced it as meta-humour. "The Z word" in this case means zombie, and the usage is apparently well-known enough that it wouldn't be harmful to point this there. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 19:39, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Ghulam Ahmad Qadyani

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The result of the discussion was delete. Although the IP raises good points that may be worth considering later, almost a month later we're still here. Given the lack of use of these redirects, I find consensus to delete. -- BDD ( talk) 14:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Delete as useless and derogatory (see Qadiani; using actual name without the non-neutral word gets to same target), created by hit'n'run editor years ago as part of a pile of weird POVish redirects. DMacks ( talk) 05:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC) reply

  • I've combined these nominations, since the rationale and target is the same for each. Please let me know if you think they should be discussed separately. -- BDD ( talk) 13:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete both per nominator. Oddly Hazrat is an honorific; using an honorific and a religious slur in the same redirect is just weird; the first one is also misspelled. Our Qadiani article says that the word is used in official Pakistani documents, so on one hand there might be a case for keeping the redirect on those grounds, but on the other hand we wouldn't keep a redirect like Anne Frank Jew. These should go. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 14:42, 28 July 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete-There are not redirects from, for example, African American Barack Obama or British David Cameron. Rubbish computer 15:23, 29 July 2015 (UTC) reply
    • I'm not sure that analogy works. Qadiani is not a racial/nationality descriptor, but the name of the town where he's from. That's called a nisbat and they're quite common in names in Muslim cultures. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (unlike other members of the religious community to whom "Qadiani" is sometimes applied) actually comes from Qadian. 58.176.246.42 ( talk) 11:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, possibly retarget The fact that Qadiani is used in Pakistani government documents in general terms wouldn't be justification for keeping a redirect to a random member of this religious community (the analogous toponym-based slur " Romish" has been used in U.S. government documents to refer to Catholics [1], but that wouldn't support retention of a hypothetical John Kennedy the Romish redirect).
However, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani specifically (and possibly other alternative spellings) is a potential search term, even if insulting; see e.g. this passport application form on the website of the Pakistani Embassy in Sweden. Someone who came across that would likely try to look it up in Wikipedia to figure it out. It might be better to retarget the insulting term to somewhere that the controversy is specifically discussed; there was previously a mention of it on Pakistani passport, but was deleted in 2011. I might re-add it if I can find better WP:RS. 58.176.246.42 ( talk) 02:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC) reply
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X word

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 22:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Delete. Ecstasy is a common name for MDMA, shortened to X, but I'm not aware of ever having heard someone going to a party to get "high on some X word". I mean, if that guy's not a narc, who is? Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 19:26, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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T word

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 24#T word

Q word

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 24#Q word

H-word

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The result of the discussion was retarget. -- BDD ( talk) 22:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Retarget to Hell. Formerly targeted whore (awfully), then retargeted to swearing, and once to hooker. Should be consistent with H word, which targets Hell and is a better target for both. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 19:05, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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D word

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The result of the discussion was retarget. -- BDD ( talk) 22:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Current target doesn't seem to be a notable usage. Suggest retarget to The D-Word. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 19:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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E word

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 22:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

I'm not finding any references to reliable sources citing this as a commonly-used "nickname" for this term. Otherwise, the term is quite ambiguous. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:46, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Animal Evolution

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to Evolution. Godsy( TALK CONT) 06:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Not specifically defined in target article, and seems like a good candidate for WP:REDLINK. (Note: Metazoan Evolution included here since the former word in the term is synonymous with "animal".) Steel1943 ( talk) 18:39, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

  • Weak retarget to Evolution. While the article isn't organized by kingdoms or anything, there's extensive discussion of evolution in animals. Moreover, I can see a reader using "Animal Evolution" as a natural disambiguator if he or she was expecting "Evolution" to be disambiguated. (I don't think "Metazoan Evolution" is really a plausible search term at all—I had never heard of "metazoa" before. But it's indeed the same meaning.) -- BDD ( talk) 19:36, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply
Addendum: Keep as second choice. There seems no sense in deleting this. -- BDD ( talk) 22:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply
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How Rockets Work

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 17:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC) reply

WP:NOTGUIDE, WP:NOTFAQ, and the fact that the title gives the reader the false expectation that their destination is solely about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 ( talk) 15:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Flysheet

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- BDD ( talk) 22:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Delete This is not what it means to me, it means an ad paper coming through your letterbox. Cf. Fly tippingIllegal dumping. Target is DAB and that's fne, the R is a bit queer. Fly-sheet is red.

Or we should add something about papers stuck in your letterbox at the DAB, I think, which is probably the best. But I could do with some help finding a decent targetfor the entry at the DAB. Mass mailing is no good, Personal delivery neither, nor direct advertisingDirect marketing. Mailbombing is red. Si Trew ( talk) 09:46, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply
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U.S.-centric hypotheses about Nazi gun regulation

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 22:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

WP:R#8. Unlikely search term and synonym. Only one link in the Wikipedia namespace. Appears to have no page view traffic to speak of. Godsy( TALK CONT) 09:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Respect for the dead

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Veneration of the dead. -- BDD ( talk) 22:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Seems misleading, given that the target is the study of the dead. Steel1943 ( talk) 08:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Athletics in upstate New York (WP:TITLE)

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 22:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

WP:R#D2, WP:R#D5, and almost in the spirit of WP:R#D6. Makes no sense. Improper disambiguation and something not mentioned at the target. Almost makes it seems as if this is in the Wikipedia namespace which it is not. Godsy( TALK CONT) 06:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Heritage Polytechnic, Eket, Akwa Ibom State.

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 22:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Article titles are not sentences. Leftover after a move to a more suitable title. WP:TITLE. Godsy( TALK CONT) 06:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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