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The result of the discussion was Speedy deletion per G6. This was obviously a simple mistake that was immediately corrected by the author who moved the page to
Kick (2012 film) but lacked the ability to move-without-redirect and didn't think to nominate it for G7. ☺ ·
Salvidrim! ·
✉19:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
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It's not racist. It's an informal term term to refer to "Northern Vietnamese people". Other variants include "Nguoi Bac", "Dan Bac", "Dan Bac Ky", "Nguoi Mien Bac" etc., all meaning the same thing. There's also similar terminology for Central Vietnamese and Southern Vietnamese. Vietnam has 3 distinct cultural regions - North (Mien Bac), Central (Mien Trung), and South (Mien Nam).
Nguyễn Quốc Việt (
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08:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete, no content at previous target, of course content at
Vietnamese people. The place for Vietnamese articles is Vietnamese Wikipedia. The nominator says "it means the northern vietnamese people", but then links it to
vietnamese people]: You can't eat your cake and have it.
Si Trew (
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18:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete or Redirect.It is not a likely search term for an English audience. It does seem to me "racist" exactly but
WP:POV to say "North Vietnames" or "South Vietnamese" not quite racist but a bit POV. It can be redirected how you want, but
North Vietnamese is very POV. Other editors will have better suggestions than I where it should be retargeted.
Si Trew (
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12:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Nigger is an irellevant argument. From Spanish negro, etc. It is usally called in England "The N word" which is riduculous when one can say F or C. We all now racist terms the thing is whether they are or not. (Eating a bit of cake.)
Si Trew (
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12:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Simon, what do you mean by "redirect"? It already is a redirect; the only options are deleting, keeping, changing its target, and converting into a disambiguation page or article.
Nyttend (
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14:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. There is a good case to be argued about having a separate article for
North vietnamese people, but in English Wikipedia it is not helpful unless that article is created, at least as a stub. It is not the Viets' fault that English speakers don't understand the difference; but that is the way of the world.
Also, {{R from other language}} does not mean that anything in any language can be put as a redirect into EN:WP. Clear case of inapproprate R from other.
Si Trew (
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17:28, 2 February 2014 (UTC)reply
To be clear, the start is not marked as R from other or anything. It should be, at the very least. But since it is an unlikely search term for an English audience, it should go Delete. That is entirely without prejudice to North Vietnamese people, just saying this redirect is useless as it stands.
Si Trew (
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17:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)reply
We routinely create redirects for things from other languages when we're talking about things in that language. Thus we have things like
République française,
日本国, and even misspelled things like
POCCNR for
Россия. Unless I'm missing something, this no different: it's a Vietnamese term for a Vietnamese concept.
Nyttend (
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19:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - whether it's a racist term or not, Wikipedia should provide appropriate balanced information. For example,
Nigger - we do not avoid the term, we explain why it is bad (if it is), with appropriate refs. Add content to the article, inform people, that's what Wikipedia is all about. If someone Googles this term - and if it is offensive (I don't know; I'm no expert...but if it *is*) then Wikipedia is exactly the right place to educate the readers about why it is offensive.
88.104.24.150 (
talk) 20:26, 1 February 2014 (UTC) P.S. SimonTrew, I like cake. P.P.S.
WP:TIGER is an excellent essay.
88.104.24.150 (
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20:28, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. I don't particularly understand SimonTrew's reasoning. On the other hand, if this means "people from North Viet Nam", it's more relevant to this article than any other. Since it's been almost 40 years since South Viet Nam ceased to exist, we're not going to have separate articles for people from north and south. Moreover, note that the most similar situation, Korea, has a single
Korean people article;
South Korean people and
North Korean people are both redirects. Granted, the latter is a redirect to North Korea, and the former to Korean people, but I'd say that the article on the people in general is much more helpful than the article on the state.
Nyttend (
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04:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Closing admin, please note that Namnguyenvn the nominator has added a "delete" vote just above this comment. Meanwhile, Scott, thanks for grouping them together; note that I've stricken my previous comment because it's no longer applicable.
Nyttend (
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05:46, 3 February 2014 (UTC)reply
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Pau d'arco
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According to
Tabebuia, "Those species known as ipê and pau d'arco (in Portuguese) or poui were transferred to Handroanthus" in 2007. (The page also suggests that Tabebuia avellanedae is known as "pau d'arco", though.) The page
Lapacho defines it as "a tisane or "herb tea" made from the inner bark of the
Pau d'arco tree." Both Tabebuia and Handroanthus species are apparently used as tea/herbal remedy, and this sense of "pau d'arco" seems to be common on the World Wide Web. I don't know which of these three articles (Tabebuia, Handroanthus, or Lapacho) is the most appropriate target, so I'd like other opinions.
Cnilep (
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02:48, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
If "pau d'arco" is used for some species still in Tabebuia, I think it should be turned into a disambig. If all species of pau d'arco are now in Handroanthus, then point it at Handroanthus.
phma (
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13:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
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