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File:Shard London Bridge Complete.jpg

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File:Trinity Western campus aerial.jpg

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File:Keith Law- Publicity 10.JPG

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File:158thFADUI.png ( delete | talk | history | logs).
  • No convincing evidence that "This image is a work of a U.S. Army soldier or employee, taken or made as part of that person's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain." Bulwersator ( talk) 10:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
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File:Allen Hill Blue Plaque in Oxford.jpg

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File:Lionsheadcap.PNG

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File:Soraida Martinez 2007.jpg

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File:Rapid Solicitors Elite League Logo.jpg

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File:La Salette of Roxas High School Department.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 06:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

File:La Salette of Roxas High School Department.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
  • It says that this image is free, but it is also suggested that it is unfree: "Use of the logo in the article complies with Wikipedia non-free content policy, logo guidelines, and fair use under United States copyright law as described above." Stefan2 ( talk) 13:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. This is the work of the uploader, who has released the photo under a dual license and was being extra careful when trying to explain the existence of the school logo. In actuality, the correct justification for the inclusion of the logo is not fair use, but de minimis. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:54, 23 August 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Clear case of de minimis. I removed unnecessary text from file description Bulwersator ( talk) 22:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC) reply
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File:JeroenThesselingLiveSouthAmericaPestilence2011.jpg

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File:JeroenThesselingLiveSouthAmericaPestilence2011.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
  • "We hereby give you permission to use following photos for all Wikipedia articles related and/or linked to Jeroen Paul Thesseling." Seems that it is "permission for Wikipedia" + CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0. This is not enough. Stefan2 ( talk) 13:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
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File:JPTbyDhorlbogen2011.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Explicit ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:01, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

File:JPTbyDhorlbogen2011.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
  • "We hereby give you permission to use following photos for all Wikipedia articles related and/or linked to Jeroen Paul Thesseling." Seems that it is "permission for Wikipedia" + CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0. This is not enough. Stefan2 ( talk) 13:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
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File:Karmabai.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 06:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

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File:Bishop Dubois High School.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep as fair-use. Dianna ( talk) 00:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC) reply

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File:Dubois2004b.jpg

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File:Cortfatlogo.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Magog the Ogre ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

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File:Sons of the American Revolution, The Wigwam, Du Bois, PA, 1940.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by SchuminWeb ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC) reply

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File:Camis Eskan.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by SchuminWeb ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC) reply

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File:Israel McCreight, 1883.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 06:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

File:Israel McCreight, 1883.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
  • It says that this was published somewhere before 1923, but it does not say where it was published, so there is no way to verify this. In fact, the frame around the photo suggest that it could easily be a private unpublished photo. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Unless you can find a copy of the magazine, we assume good faith that what the uploader said is true. In this case, the uploader has also written articles with things sourced to page 29 in the magazine. It is beyond fair to assume good faith that he is correct in the 1883 source date.  Ryan  Vesey 18:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
    • The uploader didn't write that it was published before 1923. The page used to say that the copyright holder has released the image to the public domain, without any evidence of this claim. The PD-1923 template was added by you. Were you aware of any pre-1923 publication when you added the template? -- Stefan2 ( talk) 18:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
      • The uploader gave the date as 1883. So they didn't use a specific template, what's your point? The first template placed on the image doesn't signify it's copyright status. If you are trying to argue that this was first published in 2005, then Commons:Template:PD-US-unpublished applies. The author in this case is unknown so {{ PD-anon-1923}} would also apply. No matter which way you look at this, the image is in the public domain. See Occam's razor to dissuade further arguments.  Ryan  Vesey 19:51, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
        • I read the 1883 year as a year of creation, not as a year of publication. The uploader didn't specify whether the image has been published before 2005 or not. I realise that I made a mistake when looking at this year: 1883 is more than 120 years ago, so it would also be fine if unpublished. Since it is more than 120 years old, I suppose that it is fine. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 20:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
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File:Warsow Screenshot.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Deleted the non-free revision; kept the image that is licensed CC by-SA 3.0. Dianna ( talk) 02:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC) reply

File:Warsow Screenshot.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).

Warsow’s codebase is free and open source software, distributed under the terms of the GPL; it is built upon Qfusion, an advanced modification of the Quake II engine. The artwork and other media are licensed under the proprietary Warsow Content License, which allows the contributors of this media to use the work in a "personal portfolio" but not in any other game.

To me this sounds unfree (and not completely GPL): you can't use the artwork for other games. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

  • Your logic is flawed on so many levels it isn't even funny. You don't understand the license, you are confusing screenshots of game play with actual game assets, and also don't get fair use policy on video game screenshots. The artwork and other media are included in the source code, and they are saying you can't use them to make another game for profit. But you can do things like use the textures or player models to learn from or make personal games. They are not talking about screenshots taken from actual game play. Otherwise there would be no screenshots of any proprietary games out there. It's fair use.

The file that was just used to replace mine was taken from the official web site and it water marked. If you don't like that, then revert it back to mine and move on. Stop wasting everyone's time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slacka123 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

If you can't use the artwork to create another game to make money, then that makes the image unfree, see {{ db-f3}} or freedomdefined:Definition. You must be allowed to use the artwork for any purpose.
There are multiple ways to combine GPL software with non-GPL software, so the game artwork doesn't have to be available as GPL, and the above text suggests that the artwork isn't available under the GPL.
The problems listed above apply to both versions of the file. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 20:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia is not using the screenshot of a game to make money. It's Fair Use like every other video game screenshot on Wikipedia. You are confusing the game assets with a game play screenshots. The screenshot taken uses the GPL'd engine to process the non-free artwork to make an image. A screenshot of this image cannot be used to make a game, which is clearly the intent of the license. A screenshot is not a game asset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slacka123 ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

I have permission from the authors to use the images. The images are distributed in a press pack, and are free to use by anyone. -- Clownfart ( talk) 21:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Can you please properly document this? In the mean time, I have reverted a standard screenshot taken during game play. Once you have it all fully documented it, please revert it back to your image from the press pack. Slacka123 ( talk) 21:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
How can I document this? Does it need to be released under a license or something? -- Clownfart ( talk) 22:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
On the File:Warsow Screenshot.jpg page, post any information you have backing up your claim that granted permission to use the material in the press pack.
  • Stefan2, From the actual license.txt. :
Code is under GPL license, this means you can get all our source code, study it and reuse it as soon as you keep it open and give back to us your changes. All artwork, musics, dialogues, stories, names, 3d models, etc... are under a proprietary license. If you plan to create another game based on our source code, remember you will have to redo all art,music,models,stories,etc...

There is no mention of user generated screenshots from game play footage. They are only trying to protect the game assets and website content from being used by commercial games. Besides this is a moot topic, since no matter what the license.txt file in the separate SDK says, video game screenshots are covered under Fair Use.

What do you want done so you can drop this stupid argument and stop wasting all of our time? Slacka123 ( talk) 22:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

  • The problem there is there are two screenshots. The Original, uploaded by User:Slacka123 is clearly covered under Fair Use law. The SDK's license is irrevalent. The new file, uploaded uploaded by User:Clownfart, is from a press pack and may be covered under some other license. I think the best solution is for Clownfart to reupload his file with a new filename, and properly document his right to use it.

In the mean time, the original has been reverted, so I see no reason to continue this debate. NeedCokeNow ( talk) 22:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

  • "Note: Files can be unlisted immediately if they are indisputably in the public domain or verifiably licensed under an indisputably free license (GFDL, CC-BY-SA, etc.—see Wikipedia:File copyright tags for more on these)." The file now has the proper tags. I am going to unlist the file unless Stefan2 can provide further reason to keep it here. Slacka123 ( talk) 04:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC) reply
    • There is still a GPL licence claim although the screenshot obviously isn't covered by the GPL licence. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 11:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC) reply
      • I put both there because the software IS GPL'd in addition, the game assets are covered by their own propitiatory license. So both the GPL'd software screenshot AND the proprietary screenshot license apply. Just putting a non-free screenshot template there doesn't make sense, because it is a screenshot of GPL'd software. However, if it really bothers you. I will remove the GPL, and just leave the proprietary license. Please respond. Slacka123 ( talk) 15:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC) reply
        • Only the backend is available as GPL, but the photo only shows the frontend. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 15:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC) reply
          • If you are going to use CS termanology, at least use the terms discussed in the license.txt file of the SDK. The GPL covers the Game engine while the secondary license covers the Game asset. The Screenshot is not a "PHOTO" as you call it or a Game Asset. Rather it is a derived work of the two created by an artist( or gamer) who create the scene and capures it. In the GPL'd software template they give examples of additional licenses used for the content.
          • This files with is clearly within fair use. I have removed the offending "GPD'd" tag. Now if you have no further objections, can you please unlist this so we can all get back to contributing to wikipedia. NeedCokeNow ( talk) 20:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Please don't delete discussions. When they end, they are supposed to be closed using {{ subst:puf top}} and {{ subst:puf bottom}}.
  • I see that this page tells that the screenshots on that page are available under {{ cc-by-sa-3.0}}. Did I previously overlook the text, or is it a new addition?
  • The file uploaded by User:Clownfart is from the mentioned page, so it seems that his image is available under the Creative Commons licence. The file by User:Slacka123 does not seem to be on that page, so I guess that his file should be treated as unfree and deleted as an orphaned unfree file. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 10:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC) reply
    • Stefan2, you are acting like a big baby here, it's clear you are saying anything to try to win your argement. Do you have some problem with Warsow? First of all, slacka123 only reverted the old image, because you did not answer clowfarts requests on how he could prove that the develoopers gave him permission to use it to promote warsow ( see above discussion). Second of all,we have already established that screenshots are covered under fair use. Please stop this rediculousness. NeedCokeNow ( talk) 18:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This image is currently tagged as non-free. If there is a dispute with the rationale, please tag the image with {{ dfu}} or list it at WP:Non-free content review. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC) reply
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File:Jim-Balfanz-Headshot.jpeg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Explicit ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:01, 31 August 2012 (UTC) reply

File:Jim-Balfanz-Headshot.jpeg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
  • Copyright violation: [2]. User:Nyttend removed the {{ db-f9}} tag with the motivation that Wordpress has a smaller image. However, the file size on Wordpress is totally irrelevant. It just means that Wordpress isn't the original source, but the only thing we need to prove is that Wikipedia isn't the source either. Since the file was on Wordpress before it was on Wikipedia, Wikipedia can impossibly be the original source. Stefan2 ( talk) 23:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply
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