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I've listed this article for peer review because I'm planning on taking it to FA, and for that, I need feedback. I've been getting awesome help from Tezero, Cas Liber and another great editor, but Tezero adviced me to take it here so that I get more opinions from people. I had another game peer reviewed a couple of weeks ago,
Sleeping Dogs, which is also aiming for FA. Super Mario 3 is currently a A class article, which has been also GA reviewed and passed. Any feedback is appreciated! Also, since in 2006 the article was FA nominated, but never got to be one, I'll make it my absolute goal to make this a FA, but just like I said, I can't do this alone.
It was released worldwide, beginning in Japan on October 23, 1988, followed by North America on February 12, 1990, and in Europe on August 29, 1991. - Is this too much detail for the lead, especially when you have the information in the infobox already?
The reference after "In addition to the running and jumping moves found in past games, the player can fly and float with the aid of special items, slide down slopes, and execute new types of jumps." is unnecessary per
WP:LEAD
The lead feels heavy on release information but light on reviews and production details.
Princess Peach sends
Mario and
Luigi to go and stop the Koopalings, - you refer to her as Toadstool above. I think she was still officially Toadstool at this time, so that should be fixed.
This is the only place power-ups can be given to small characters, as in levels this simply makes them bigger. - I've played the game, and this is unclear even to me
Through this mode, players can also access several minigames, including a remake of the original Mario Bros. arcade game, in which one player has the opportunity to steal the cards of another but may lose their turn if they lose the minigame. - I never knew this... awesome.
You don't seem to actually say when the game was released in the article text, at least not before discussing the game's reception. That needs to be referenced.
I'd be explicit: which are contemporary reviews, which are reviews in hindsight
The section #Sales would possibly work better in a section specifically on the release of the game and its marketing.
In 2008, Guinness World Records listed the game as the best-selling video game to be sold separately from a system, and reported worldwide sales of over 18 million copies. - does this include the ports?
It was also re-released for the
Nintendo 3DS, and
Wii U on April 17, 2014, as a reward that
Club Nintendo users could purchase with their coins for the Wii Virtual Console on June 3, 2013. - not really sure what you're saying here
You've got a lot of fair-use images. I'd nix two (the men working in their office, as it doesn't pass
WP:NFCC#8 regarding contextual significance, and maybe one of the screenshots.
Crisco 1492 (
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05:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)reply
The development photo is historically important since there are virtually no photos from the game's development, and the other two photos I'm just gonna change their captions. Is that ok, —
Crisco 1492?
URDNEXT (
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13:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)reply
In a book which doesn't have the NFCC to worry about, you might be correct. On Wikipedia, if that doesn't illustrate anything and the lack of an image is not "detrimental to readers' understanding", it's got to go. —
Crisco 1492 (
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00:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Comments from CR4ZE
Gameplay and Plot look a little light on citations. If you're wanting to take this all the way, you should probably get hold of the print sources being used and check them yourself. Try to find more. There's a citation needed for the fourth paragraph of Gameplay.
The lead does need work. I'd suggest moving the gameplay stuff into the first paragraph, and expanding the second paragraph to have more on the development.
I'm not seeing enough reviews in Reception that were published at the game's release. This would really be necessary if you wanted an FA, because the coverage needs to be as comprehensive as possible. No contemporaneous reviews feels like an omission.
You don't get it,
CR4ZE (
t the other contributors lasted til last year. The page was abandoned when I took over it. I'm the only contributors asides from Tezero and two other great editors who came on board after I put it on Peer Reviw.
URDNEXT (
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12:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Contemporaneous sourcing is a lot thinner than it should be. In terms of reviews, where are Nintendo Power, GamePro and Electronic Gaming Monthly? I see a NP preview in the Reception section, but that isn't going to cut it. Every early issue of NP is available
here, so the review will be in there somewhere. Ditto for
GamePro. The EGM review is in #9 (April 1990), which I don't know where to find—but you're going to need it anyway. I see an EGM preview in
the reference library that you aren't using. Plus, there'll be preview coverage from GamePro and
possibly more from EGM at Retromags.
JimmyBlackwing (
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22:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)reply
I searched for "Super Mario Bros 3" on Highbeam and these links turned up. Some of them might be dead ends; others might be good. You'll have to get someone with a Highbeam account (or similar) to access them for you:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7],
[8],
[9],
[10],
[11]. Make sure to contact people with NewsBank, LexisNexis and Questia accounts for SMB3 news articles from the period as well.
JimmyBlackwing (
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22:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)reply
The brothers travel through Dark Land, enter his castle, and defeat Bowser in a battle. The game ends with Toadstool being freed from the castle. Any reference to that?
I'd suggest that if information from multiple paragraphs are from the same source, cite it at least once, like the end of a paragraph:Other suits include the "Frog Suit", which increases the character's underwater speed and agility and improves jumping height on land, and the "Hammer Suit", which gives Mario the appearance of the Hammer Bro. enemy and allows him to throw hammers at enemies and resist fire attacks. If the reference in the next paragraph includes the info, then I suggest citing once more at the end.
Forbidden User (
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11:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)reply
During 1988, a shortage of ROM chips, along with Nintendo of America's preparation of a version of Super Mario Bros. 2 for Western gamers, prevented Nintendo from performing various North American game releases according to their original schedules. It looks llike a running-on sentence. Try rewriting/wait for GOCE to take care of the prose.
Forbidden User (
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14:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)reply
Taking reference from Kingdom Hearts (video game), this article is rather lacking on production. Perhaps talk about the music a bit?