- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete . Will provide a copy to the OP via email if they want to post it elsewhere, but this is not encyclopedic material. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
User:Let us eat lettuce/sandbox
Use of Wikipedia to host an opinion essay. This is not within the scope of the project. Cordless Larry ( talk) 08:31, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note that we already have the articles Efforts to impeach Donald Trump, Protests against Donald Trump and Trump resistance, which cover this topic in a much more neutral manner than something titled "The ongoing attempts at a coup d'etat of the democratically elected President of the United States - Donald J. Trump". Cordless Larry ( talk) 08:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:POLEMIC. The sandbox material could not evolve into a mainspace article in anything remotely resembling its current form. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 13:16, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support the AFD Delete the article per above. Violates other parts of WP:NOT including WP:SOAPBOX and WP:ATTACK. MarnetteD| Talk 15:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support This is not an encyclopedia article but rather an advocacy essay which violates the neutral point of view. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- appose the wiki page is factual, cites multiple sources and is not an opinion essay. this is a work in progress. there is no violation of neutral point of view, there is an attempt at subversion of fact. Efforts to impeach Donald Trump is a sub-story of the much larger coup d'état efforts ongoing. Protests agdiscainst Donald Trump and Trump resistance, speak to social unrest and do not speak on the bigger picture of a coup d'état. The expressed issues of Violates other parts of WP:NOT including WP:SOAPBOX and WP:ATTACK are a claim which could be viewed as censorship and Obstruction of Fact. I propose that edits to continue and all concerns will be resolved. Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 18:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Kindly display my appose on the main Miscellany for deletion Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 18:34, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Delete looks like disruptive pointmaking, something arbs specifically mentioned in in principles section of the ARBs' US politics case NewsAndEventsGuy ( talk) 00:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)UPDATE See below NewsAndEventsGuy ( talk) 19:23, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- No, More Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 10:54, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - As stated by Boris, whatever the subject page is meant to be, it is not a neutral encyclopedic draft, and will never evolve into one, because it is a statement of strongly held opinions. The alternative to deleting this page would be to block the user under discretionary sanctions, and deletion is less punitive than a block. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Work in progress, relax.... Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 13:04, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment This is said to be a "work in progress", but the editor has submitted it for AFC approval repeatedly without any of the usual actions for works in progress such as seeking community input. We can deal with this sandbox in its current state rather than guessing what it will be when the "work in progress" is more advanced. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Also
WP:NOR and
WP:DUCK. Except for the user actually participating in this discussion,
WP:CSD#U5. --
SmokeyJoe (
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05:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- I respectfully reject your opinion.. GOD bless.
Let us eat lettuce (
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10:54, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Alternative outlets. Hurry up and close this before lettuce hurts himself. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 04:38, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- I respectfully reject your opinion.. GOD bless.
Let us eat lettuce (
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10:54, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, does not appear to have a place in the project (in its current state). -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 00:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: I believe that the "Support" votes should be counted as delete votes due to the context. -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 00:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Work in progress, relax.... Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 13:04, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- DELETE This has been turned down four times and is never going to be an article. No attempt has been made to address the issues, just more of the same. Grossly NPOV. WP:NOTPROPAGANDA Meters ( talk) 03:16, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- OMG! Obstruction of Fact Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 13:08, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- DELETE as a rant that plainly fails WP:NPOV. Any worthy content is already covered by other articles. Jschnur ( talk) 04:46, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merely wiki-ing on events in an unbiased way is not a
rant. You may not like the content due to your bias or political affiliation, but all is factual. All is clearly cited and opinion purged from the content. there is no "me" in the content, afaik. why is there Obstruction of Fact on Wikipedia? If the title scares you, maybe something is more appropriate....
Let us eat lettuce (
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05:58, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- It's not a fact that there is an attempted coup d'état against Trump - that's a highly partisan way of describing opposition to his presidency.
Cordless Larry (
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07:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- not officially declared, but is an attempted coup d'état ever been declared? OR documented after the fact... This is documentation of ongoing efforts. my original title included the phrasing 'the ongoing attempts at a'. It's hard to read the sandbox effort and citations and not think of the words "attempted coup d'état". peace..
Let us eat lettuce (
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09:07, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- It's not about whether something is "official", but about what mainstream, reliable sources refer to it as.
Cordless Larry (
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09:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- hmmm well Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 10:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- btw, what sources are "reliable". but right, btw It's hard to read the sandbox effort and citations and not think of the words "attempted coup d'état".
Let us eat lettuce (
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10:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- See
Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources.
Cordless Larry (
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10:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Right on!!! I'd also refer you to my wiki sandbox and the subtitle about the Biased news Media Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 10:40, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Just becuz the narrative scares you, doesn't make it wrong. Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 10:54, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- See
Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources.
Cordless Larry (
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10:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- It's not about whether something is "official", but about what mainstream, reliable sources refer to it as.
Cordless Larry (
talk)
09:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- not officially declared, but is an attempted coup d'état ever been declared? OR documented after the fact... This is documentation of ongoing efforts. my original title included the phrasing 'the ongoing attempts at a'. It's hard to read the sandbox effort and citations and not think of the words "attempted coup d'état". peace..
Let us eat lettuce (
talk)
09:07, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- It's not a fact that there is an attempted coup d'état against Trump - that's a highly partisan way of describing opposition to his presidency.
Cordless Larry (
talk)
07:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merely wiki-ing on events in an unbiased way is not a
rant. You may not like the content due to your bias or political affiliation, but all is factual. All is clearly cited and opinion purged from the content. there is no "me" in the content, afaik. why is there Obstruction of Fact on Wikipedia? If the title scares you, maybe something is more appropriate....
Let us eat lettuce (
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05:58, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - A coup d'etat refers to the illegal overthrow of the national government or its head of state. Nothing mentioned in the draft has anything to do with the use of illegal means to change who is the head of state of the United States. The head of state of the United States is Donald Trump. Nothing that is mentioned in the draft has to do with illegal (that is, contrary to the United States Constitution) attempts to remove him from power. The only illegal activity that is mentioned or has been reported is the leaking of secrets, which is illegal, but we don't know what its purpose is. The demonstrations were legal, the right to demonstrate in the United States being guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Impeachment is a constitutional remedy. Nothing that is mentioned has anything to do with any attempt at unconstitutional removal of Mr. Trump from his position. For that reason, the meta-narrative in the draft has nothing to do with the facts in the draft, and the draft will never be in the form of an article. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- okay, good points. However, afaik, rioting is illegal. that's why 200+ were indicted. "the leaking of secrets, which is illegal, but we don't know what its purpose is." surely you jest... if not coup attempt, what is all this?? democracy, hmmm ... The aligned efforts to dishonorably discharge the President of the United States - Donald J Trump . Surely a plot has been exposed. IF the coup-impeachment-assassination attempt actually succeeds, you will all be scrambling for this information Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 21:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Lettuce appears to be trying to refocus, sort of, on Trump resistance. I've taken the bold step of editing his sandbox to purge the outrageously noncompliant material. Since Lettuce has already been templated with the DS alert for US politics, I suggest closing admin suspend his editing privilege in user space, and direct him to article space and talk pages. Once we arrive there, ongoing problems with POV, OR etc can be addressed just like we always do. But letting this trend continue to perk in userspace would be toxic. NewsAndEventsGuy ( talk) 19:38, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete This page seems to be all about drawing a visceral response. Love:Hate, but definitely not a WP:NPOV — Myk Streja Talk to me 04:14, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
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