- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗ plicit 23:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
This userbox expresses support for Rock Against Communism (RAC), which according to its accompanying article was a series of white power/white supremacist rock concerts, and also serves as a "catch-all term for music with racist lyrics as well as a specific genre of rock music derived from Oi!. The lyrics can focus on racism and antisemitism, though this depends on the band." This is supported by a reference to an entry published by the Anti-Defamation League, which states the following:
Rock Against Communism (RAC) is a euphemism used to refer to several types of white power/hate music (typically Oi! or hatecore punk). Despite its name, RAC more often than not contains no references to "Communism" at all, but focuses on racism and anti-Semitism. The term emerged in the late 1970s and early 1980s, after rock music promoters in Great Britain put on a series of "Rock against Racism" concerts. In response, various white supremacist bands led by Ian Stuart and Skrewdriver held "Rock Against Communism" concerts. The term eventually became used as a euphemism for racist Oi! music and later also hatecore punk and some other styles of hate music.
Does this userbox therefore qualify as a violation of WP:POLEMIC? Although one could theoretically enjoy the music without explicitly agreeing with hateful messaging therein, it seems unlikely. In searching for similar userboxes/some sort of precedent, I was unable to find any userboxes that express support for white supremacy, Neo-Nazism, etc., nor was I able to find any userboxes expressing an affinity for National Socialist black metal (which, compared to RAC, I would argue is an example of Neo-Nazi music with a larger fanbase).
Additional notes: I took a look through the list of users who have this RAC userbox on their userpage, and none of them have been active contributors past 2019. I would notify the user who created this userbox, Krzyzowiec, of this discussion (interestingly, they appear to have made an anti-Nazism userbox as well), but they were blocked indefinitely in 2013 due to suspected sockpuppetry. — Matthew / ( talk) 14:54, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- Apparently we should strong delete this per WP:NONAZIS. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -( talk) 18:22, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- @ WaltCip: Was not aware of that essay, thank you. I wouldn't mind if that became a guideline, frankly. — Matthew / ( talk) 19:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Not very complicated.— Alalch E. 20:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- Strong Delete per nom and WP:NONAZIS, as an obvious " white power" trash promotion. — Sundostund mppria ( talk / contribs) 01:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Strong Delete -- Totalibe ( talk) 16:49, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Catfurball ( talk) 18:08, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Thank the nominator for checking the activity history of the several transcluders. They are all long inactive and I agree that they need not be notified, due to their inactivity and the strong deletion rationale. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 01:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
May I just add here that we also have a userbox for self-identified "Social Darwinists" which really ought to be deleted for the same reason. Ideally should get its own MfD of course, I only bring it up specifically here as many of the users who have this userbox also have the one being discussed (I wonder why...) StrexcorpEmployee ( talk) 20:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
User:AdorableRuffian/Userboxes/BritishNationalParty (which also has some overlap) def needs to go as well for similar reasons. StrexcorpEmployee ( talk) 21:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- @ StrexcorpEmployee: I fully agree with you that those two userboxes should be deleted as well, especially the BNP userbox; expressing support for a party like BNP is utterly unacceptable here. Also, I agree that it is no coincidence at all that certain users, who have the RAC and the BNP userboxes, are self-identifying as "Social Darwinists". The connection is quite obvious to me. — Sundostund mppria ( talk / contribs) 01:48, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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