Wikipedia:miscellany For Deletion Portal:british Airways

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete . ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:50, 9 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Airline Portals

Individual companies don't need portals. Portal:British Airways and Portal:Japan Airlines were actually created by a bot, which I do not think was an BAG approved operation. Avianca is displaying an defunct african airline Capital which has nothing at all to do with the South American airline (picking up an error in the nav box the page is built on top of, and proving the creator did not check this portal or properly review the nav box. These portals also create WP:FAIRUSE issues with the logos. Another problem is the selected articles are disproportionately about crashes and other bad events, but these lack sources and the benefit of the complete article with all the info. Browsing these portals gives the impression Air France (or whatever) is all about crashing planes. Legacypac ( talk) 04:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Delete all, nominator gives valid reasons for lumping all of these together and treating them as one MFD. There just isn't enough meat here for any of these, and some of them are inherently problematic. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(
What did I screw up now?)} 05:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Question - Does G5 apply to pages created by bots without a bot authorization to create pages? Robert McClenon ( talk) 06:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete all per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and the good points about balance made by the nominator. In my opinion G5 does not apply: using a bot without authorization isn't technically editing contrary to an individual block or ban. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment - The creation by a bot has been explained by the bot operator as being the human bot operator logged in to the bot account. Robert McClenon ( talk) 13:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete all, as narrow-topic portals. Additional issues mentioned by nominator are valid additional reasons. Robert McClenon ( talk) 13:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete all – far too narrow subjects to warrant a portal. All of those airlines presumably already have their own navboxes, and that's more than enough. -- Deeday-UK ( talk) 14:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
I bundled 5 more and a redirect after trying a different search term Legacypac ( talk) 14:24, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply

I removed the redirect because the nom. did not work; I suggesting just waiting until this one resolves and then taking it to RfD if the target still exists. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 19:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply

It does not really matter if the redirect is tagged for deletion. When the target is deleted it could be tagged G6 housekeeping but when listed here the closing script can delete it easily. Legacypac ( talk) 20:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Keep Portal:American Airlines " American Airlines Group is the largest by its fleet size, revenue, profit, passengers carried and revenue passenger mile." The company has a global impact, flying to five continents. This satisfies the conditions of WP:POG as its template and size creates a broad network of links. Another idea is to revert this to the old style. (I should note this: I have no relation to American Airlines, my username is just out of my passion for the company and airline industry, no COI.) AmericanAir88^(
talk) 01:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC) reply

[1] Legacypac ( talk) 14:13, 2 April 2019 (UTC) reply

@ Legacypac: What does that message TTH have to do with this discussion. I see no relation to Airline portals in that link. Please keep comments relevant to the discussion. I am getting the feeling you are trying to make myself and other uses such as TTH look bad. That discussion had nothing incriminating in it. AmericanAir88^(
talk) 01:43, 4 April 2019 (UTC) reply

TTH created thousands of inappropriate portals including one on this list. He has clearly said he did not follow WP:POG and refuses to help in the cleanup. In the link he is implying (and has said elsewhere) that the deletion of portals does not matter because the next generation of portals will make these obsolete. Not sure why a good editor like you wants to be entangled with that agenda. Legacypac ( talk) 02:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC) reply

@ Legacypac: I agree that many of portals made by TTH failed WP:POG. Thank you also for calling me a good editor, I appreciate. I am simply defending the American Airlines portal per my opinion above. I am in support of portals, but not all portals as I agree that some were ridiculous. Hope that clarifies it. AmericanAir88^(
talk) 16:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Thanks for engaging in a reasoned discussion. I don't know how to get around the crashes emphasis in related articles, or the issue most any single person/company/band etc does not warrant a portal. The articles do a much better job for the reader, so losing the portals is not a disservice to the reader. Legacypac ( talk) 02:25, 5 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Keep This is a copy-and-paste keep vote due to the large number of nominations stating I have reviewed the portals and believe they pass WP:POG. SportingFlyer T· C 18:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Keep Most of these airlines are national airliners of their respective country, so are now part of their history. Only delete portals of completely privately owned airlines. 39.40.67.7 ( talk) 22:39, 2 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Every one of the nominated airlines except Pakistan International Airlines (the one that attracted this user to this MfD because they edited the portal) is a private sector company or subsidiary of a private sector company. None other than PIA are govenment owned (Air Canada was government owned until 1988) so this mostly a delete vote. Legacypac ( talk) 19:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Note Portal:British Airways and Portal:Japan Airlines were speedily deleted under criterion WP:CSD#G7 (user request). Thryduulf ( talk) 10:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Yes after they were nominated for deletion here. Those were by Dreamy Jazz who later agreed we could speedy all his creations. Legacypac ( talk) 22:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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