Wikipedia Mediation Cabal
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Request date	03:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Mediator(s)	Leujohn ( talk)
Comment	Compromise reached Leujohn ( talk) 09:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC) reply

Hatzalah , Hatzalah#New_Jersey

In Hatzalah there is a petty dispute that I put forth a compromise but Catskillemt won't hear of it. The section on New Jersey states that there are six agencies in NJ and then lists them. Catskillemt keeps changing the section and adding that the Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton (HOPC) is competing with and operating in the same territory as Hatzalah of North Jersey (HONJ). I posted links to PDF's from community leaders stating that HOPC is the Hatzalah to call. I stated that I was willing to have HONJ listed (as I don't know if they perform services elsewhere) but I won't have HOPC listed as a competitor. Nobody in Passaic/Clifton (other than perhaps HONJ's family members) calls HONJ for services. They all call HOPC. I even have pictures of the HONJ ambulance being used to transport groceries. The main issue is that HONJ is upset that ALL their EMT's left and formed HOPC. The deceptive practices of HONJ is well known. When HOPC's number went down, HONJ put out a notice as if it was coming from HOPC and told people to call a different number until the main number is fixed, the number pointed to was HONJ's number. HONJ is basically a one-man shop out to get the community. They faked calls before Election Day and they will stop at nothing. I am willing to compromise, but if you see the talk page, you will see that he is not willing to compromise. Thanks. Yossiea ^(talk) 03:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC) reply

Both of You: WP:AGF please! Your insults and accusations will not help!

Catskillet: This is an encyclopedia, not a comparison site. I recognize that they are competing, but words that state that the two groups are competing are not nessecary on an encyclopedia. Also, can you please put a link that would prove that the problematic group is licensed?

Yossiea: If the ambulace group is unlicensed, it can stay on the encyclopedia, but if it is true that if it is unlicensed, you can indicate that after we have solved the problem. Leujohn ^{( talk)} 10:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC) reply

I am OK with the way it is now. But HOPC is not competing with HONJ. Nobody in HOPC's area calls HONJ. Yossiea ^(talk) 00:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC) reply

Is it possible to prove that statement with a link? Leujohn ^{( talk)} 11:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC) reply

In the talk page, I posted letters from the community rabbis, and the then Mayor and several councilmen. The letter from the rabbis stated that they support HOPC and that is the number to call. Here is one of the letters: Endorsement Letter

Let me make this very clear. Wikipedia did not, do not, and will not take a stance in which one, HOPC or HONJ, is better. This has always been our stance in all opinionated matters. I feel like that by your message above you are trying to make Wikipedia say that HOPC is better. Again, Wikipedia will never take a stance in which one is better. Leujohn ^{( talk)} 08:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC) reply

I am not trying to say HOPC is better. All I want is that both should be listed without editorials about competing with each other. That's the bare facts. Once he starts that HOPC is competing, then we can go and say that not only is HOPC not competing, but HONJ is not called in Passaic. The way the article is now, is fine. It lists the two entries without comment. Yossiea ^(talk) 14:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC) reply

If the article in its current state is fine, then why did you open a case? Leujohn ^{( talk)} 09:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC) reply

I opened it before its current state. CatskillEMT was reverting my edits to reflect his NPOV. I tried the talk page, but as you can see, that went nowhere. So I opened the case. Yossiea ^(talk) 15:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC) reply

If that is so, I will now close the case. If Catskillemt does all the reverting again, open the case again. Leujohn ^{( talk)} 09:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC) reply