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The result of the debate was: Wrong forum. The image is on Commons, please nominate it for deletion there if you still feel it should be deleted. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete - Nv8200p talk 15:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Images fail WP:NFCC#8. The commentary provided to support the images is unreferenced making it either point-of view or original research. The images may garner reconsideration if reliable sources are cited to support the text about the images. - Nv8200p talk 20:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC) This listing encompasses the following images: reply
All were uploaded by User:Saint08 who has been notified.
I am nominating them for deletion as they appear to fail WP:NFCC#8, inter alia — they do not add significantly to readers' understanding of the topic and their omission would not be detrimental to that understanding; they are used only for illustration. Also, album covers should only be used in the article about the album and magazine covers should only be used in the article about the magazine. Stifle ( talk) 11:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC) reply
I think the argument that these images do not add to the article is double-sided; to remove them does not improve the article, but merely adheres to a rule that is flexible in the first instance. I've looked at the page, and I can't work out why some images have been marked for removal and not others. My principle argument for retaining the NME cover is threefold: this magazine cover is historically significant in that (a) it marks the point of sea change when the UK's more critically reverred music paper suddenly got behind the swiftly emerging style soon to be known as Dance music. By featuring a relative unknown on the cover - in this instance, Bomb the Bass - they not only catipulted the band into an area of significant importance, but (b) the use of the term DJ CULTURE in the headline inspired the use of what is now a globally recognised term. For a band such as Bomb the Bass to inspire this kind of media response was relatively unknown in the late 80s... but has become common place now. Therefore, the inclusion of the NME cover is the actual pictoral representation of a visual medium in an instance where it is less effective NOT to show it. As the cliche says, a picture is worth a thousand words; therefore, to include the image alongside its inclusion in the text actually gives viable credence to the facts in question. To say it should be deleted, when the very thing in question is a visual item, is to say that merely discussing the existsnce of a visual item is as powerful as actually showing it - which is a flawed argument. I would argue that to remove it for the sake of it is to deny the importance of historical record. And to also argue that the policy is to only feature album covers in articles about albums, and ditto magazine covers in articles about magazines is to therefore say you should not show a newspaper headline for the start or end of a major war, and/or a globally significant event, such as the assassination of someone like JFK; and, furthermore, to say that these might be important and therefore significant, whereas a music-related cover is not - or cannot be significant - is a matter of subjective, and therefore personal, taste.
Similarly to remove the cover of Beat Dis is counter-productive: the text discusses the fact that the band's influence went beyond the actual nature of their music, by the fact that the inclusion of the 'smiley' logo subsequently became the icon of a global music scene that, for (arguably) a decade was the dominant musical genre. To insist on NOT showing the sleeve, and solely relying on the text to conjure the image in the minds of the readers of this page is to essentially deny the benefit of a sensory response that is openly available here: namely, to see the sleeve in the context of the factual discussion. To say it is merely ILLUSTRATION could be applied to the use of any or all images on wikipedia: The Beatles need not have a photo of them on their page, any discussion of Sgt Pepper need not show the Peter Blake cover, because they are discussed in words anyway - which is your argument for deletion here. Why does anyone need to know what Queen Elizabeth II looks like when the text on her page tells how/when and why she is important? Again, these are all subjective arguments, but they show that the inclusion of images is valid, and generally an advantage rather than a disadvantage. I would argue that the statement that these images do not aid the piece in question is without merit, on the basis of everything I've said here.
Ditto, why is the image for the Butterfingers video being deleted, whereas the image from the Fuzzbox clip is not? Is this, again, surely not a case of someone imposing a subjective opinion on a page that functions perfectly well within the context of the text and its associated images? If anything, it is valid to highlight how certain artists will use images to promote themselves. Specifically, the Butterfingers promo, which was released in the contemporary form of an internet movie, rather than a television promo was isntrumental in drawing significant attention to the attendant song. A considerable number of internet sites from around the globe reviewed the video, often on the basis of its strong visual, rather than the actual song. Therefore, I would argue in this instance that it is valid to include a representation of the video - in this case a still from it - because it shows the uninitiated what the film looked like without them having to go to the trouble of further research. Wikipedia is a contemporary encyclopedia that has the potential to evolve the perceived notion of what such a 'book' can contain. There is no yardstick or rule of thumb that suggests one, two or three images are valid, whereas anything above and beyond that number is WRONG. Recalling my comment about the curious, potentially non-sensical call to strike the Butterfingers image, but not the Fuzzbox one, I would put it, with respect, that the editing of this page is being done from a position of not knowing the subject, and therefore to impose such a subjective view on the page without fully understanding why someone has thought the images important is perhaps more heinous than your suggestion that the included images are merely frivolous decoration. Whilst I applaud your efforts to edit pages and maintain a standard, I would wager that what is actually in operation here is a very heavy handed case of one will subjecting over the many. The page has been like this for quite some time now, and no one else has lodged the same complaint.
Arguably you could say that none of the sleeve images need to be removed because they are visual 'bookmarks' or anchors to key releases by the band, and discussed along the page. To refer back to my previous suggestion: why do we have any images on wikipedia at all? To which I would put forward the argument: because they deliver information in a more direct, and easy to grasp medium than expending more and more words to discuss the existence of a visual item that apparently we are not supposed to be able to see. The sleeve for the Winter in July CD is important because it shows the two core members of the band, where no other illustration of them is freely available; and ditto the sleeve of Bug Powder Dust contains visual references to William Burroughs and his novel Naked Lunch, which would be lost if we removed the sleeve image. To therefore go back into the text once the image has been deleted and waste more space woth words describing the nature of the sleeve is an odd sense of word to image bias. Again, a picture is worth a thousand words; and in the absence of a picture, a thousand words need to be used. SAINT08
( Saint08 ( talk) 22:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)) reply
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make this a personal issue, but I'm not missing the point; I've used Fair Use in many television programmes I've made for UK TV and I know the purpose and the parameters of the law - and the purpose for creating this loophole. However, my points are valid: in historical context (NME cover), fair use is valid; in examples of work (the various singles sleeves I've noted in my reply to your original post) their inclusion is also valid. I also think my counter argument that these images DO add to the page, and to remove them does not in essence add back or re-dress any issues of worthiness is also valid. I may have not included the exact details on the original WIKI input forms, but that is only because I am relatively new to adding such contextual work to Wikipedia - and do think that wikipedia is overly complex sometimes, what with all its pages within pages, within other pages. Nobody is trying to hijack images here that belong under copyright to someone else, nor am I willfully trying to break laws for the sake of it. What I am trying to do is lodge valid points for NOT deleting them. To be honest I don't want this to descend into an argument just to prove who is the most right, as I can see both sides. However, I think that it is necessary to accept - with the greatest humility intended - that music in the modern pop context is as much about the visuals as it is the notes and the gaps in between. To remove images from a page about a pop music collective, such as Bomb the Bass, is to remove from view some of the key points that made them, and retain them, as historically significant enough to be recorded here in the first place. Therefore, I call back my original counter-arguments about deletion, and put it to you that these points are within the EXACT reason why the FAIR USE law has remained as a valid law. We may not be talking about journalists 'breaking' the Watergate affair here, but Fair Use as a law is valid as long as there is context to the item under review's inclusion; and in this case, the majority of images that you have down-valued as mere illustration are discussed within the body of the copy, and were included as visual devices to support those facts. ( Saint08 ( talk) 14:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)) User:Saint08 reply
The result of the discussion was: delete Fails WP:NFCC#8. Image is merely illustrative of Mr. larson and his total. There is no supported critical commentary on the image itself. - Nv8200p talk 15:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: keep. So Why 12:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The issue is that the sculptor holds the copyright to his artwork. In the US, there is no " freedom of panorama", which in some countries allows photographers to be able to freely use photos of art in public places. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 18:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) An image with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the discussion was: keep. So Why 12:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as I8 by Calliopejen1 ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the discussion was: delete - Nv8200p talk 15:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the discussion was: delete - Nv8200p talk 14:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the discussion was: delete - Nv8200p talk 14:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the discussion was: delete - Nv8200p talk 14:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the discussion was: delete. - Nv8200p talk 14:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
That non-free media file should be replaced with a smaller version to comply with Wikipedia's non-free content policy and United States copyright law. According to Wikipedia's policy for non-free content, the amount of copyrighted work used under fair use should be as little as possible. In particular, non-free media on Wikipedia should not be usable as substitutes for the original work. -- Britneysaints ( talk) 17:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC) reply
This User:Ed Fitzgerald tends to keep unneeded non-free images, therefore delete it here. -- Britneysaints ( talk) 21:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC) reply
However, uploader may re-add this image to the article: see Image:Palm_Beach_Story_poster.jpg#File history. He (or she) said that image sizes should be made to what is appropriate to the situation. -- Britneysaints ( talk) 20:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) reply