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The result of the discussion was: Unclear copyright status. As stated below, there's a lot of (well-reasoned) discussion and disagreement about whether "publication" actually occurred and/or whether the Queen was acting as the Queen of the UK or of Pakistan. Either way, no prejudice to restoration if someone can produce a citation from a
reliable source that explicitly describes this image as PD -
FASTILY07:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Even assuming that the letter was published in 1955, it only entered the public domain in 2006, which is 10 years later than 1996. — Ирука1304:38, 31 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep, maybe: The letter was clearly made by Queen Elizabeth II in Buckingham Palace, so depending on the date of publication this could be public domain per
Template:PD-UKGov. Whether this is PD really depends on whether it was published before 19691972 (per
c:File:UK Crown copyright flowchart.pdf). Also note the expiry of crown copyright is worldwide (i.e. URAA doesn't apply). —Matr1x-101(Ping me when replying) {user page(@ commons) -
talk}15:47, 31 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep. The current year is 2023. 2006 was seventeen years ago. If an image entered the public domain in 2006, it is in the public domain in 2023. jp×g21:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep and move to commons. This was done in the Queen's official role. Per
User:Matr1x-101, that could make it
Template:PD-UKGov if she did it in her role as Queen of the United Kingdom. Even if it's in her role as Queen of Pakistan, it's still not copyrighted per
Commons:Template:PD-Pakistan which also says govt works get 50 years of protection.
@
Chess: but can we really prove that a public ceremony occured? There is probably a good chance that it was just some ceremony witnessed by some high-level diplomats, and not really publication. —Matr1x-101(Ping me when replying) {user page(@ commons) -
talk}15:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)reply
If I am not missing anything, then UK Crown Copyright would have expired regardless of publication 50 years from creation, and as the UK government expressly indicated that they will not pursue Crown Copyright in the US even if it is still copyrighted there, that would be fine by us.
However, I highly doubt that it falls under UK copyright, since the Queen was acting as Queen of Pakistan under the direction of the Pakistani government, and under Pakistani law the letter may well never have been published so that Pakistani government copyright may still be in effect. In my mind, a mere handing over of a sealed envelope in a public ceremony is insufficient for publication, regardless of the number of people present at the ceremony itself. I would assume that the same holds for handing a single copy to the Foreign minister, although then at least two copies exist.
Felix QW (
talk)
16:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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