Support important piece of Black history. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 13:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment – A historic moment, certainly, but I'd rather see a shot showing at least
some of Ms. Malone's face. And contrast issues here lessen EV.
Sca (
talk) 15:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Copyright issue is understood, of course. I'm not saying the pic shouldn't be used at all, just that it doesn't seem quite up to FP/Main Page standards of clarity and EV.
Re "the stand," I don't see George Corley Wallace here.
Sca (
talk)
PS: I didn't know that Ms. Malone (Mrs. Jones) was
Eric Holder's sister-in-law.
Sca (
talk) 15:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
PPS: – Look at the size of the tape recorder used by the (radio?) guy, far right!
Sca (
talk) 15:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
reply
Looks like a Swiss
Nagra, the best tape recorder in the world at that time... --
Janke |
Talk 18:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Wallace is just left of Katzenbach, I believe, partially hidden by Katzenbach's left shoulder. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 15:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
I don't know absolutely, of course, but I don't think so. I remember
Wallace quite well from the Civil Rights era (and the
1968 election), and back then he always wore his hair drenched in
Vitalis or some such and slicked back, 1950s U.S. style. This guy's hair is shorter, combed differently and not greasy.
Sca (
talk) 17:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Sca, issue with the suggested image (aside from copyright) is the fact that she's clearly leaving the building. The image would have much lower EV at
Stand in the Schoolhouse Door (which is where this image has the most EV). —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 16:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Chris, agreed. I wasn't proposing the referenced image even as a type of alternative, just linking it as an example of a photo showing her
face.Sca (
talk) 18:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
I agree it's not a perfect photo, but we generally make reasonable exceptions in the face of historically important photographs, and I think this one has reasonable cause for consideration under those exceptions. It gives a feel of the event very well, even the flaws arguably highlight the chaotic nature of it. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 18:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
To my mind that's a fine argument for using it at
Stand in the Schoolhouse Door. But to each his own – let the chips fall....
Sca (
talk) 18:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose Awkward composition, main persons either not in picture or shown almost from the back. With all those photographers there, there surely are better photos of this incident? --
Janke |
Talk 18:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Support – It shows a historic moment well. This has all the elements: the door she was forbidden to enter, law officer, deputy attorney general, the escort, the media. The significance of the moment is in the story, not the individuals or her face, this image tells the story well. (Wallace had left and wasn't around for this shot
[1])
Bammesk (
talk) 02:32, 15 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Support – I hear the objections, but think the array of press is rather interesting in contrast to Malone's obscured face. A civil rights pioneer, yes, but she was also a symbol. The photograph both returns her to anonymity while instructing us that the historic struggle was bigger than hers alone.
Vesuvius Dogg (
talk) 03:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Support – I agree with
Bammesk that "it shows a historic moment well". I think it's a good photo in general, too. I don't understand why there is no image of Vivian Malone (showing her face) in the article
Vivian Malone Jones.
Corinne (
talk) 23:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Corinne: Going to guess that no-one's tried to fair use one yet. Mind you, they seem relatively rare (at least at any reasonable size). Adam Cuerden(
talk) 08:48, 16 January 2016 (UTC)reply
I did notice that.
Sca (
talk) 17:37, 16 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Support –
Jobas (
talk) 14:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)reply