Support as nominator --Hoang Quan 02:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Support Its not perfect (a few crooked buildings, noise in the sky, feels cut off at the bottom), but I've often thought that a good panorama of the paris CBD was a glaring omission in our FPs.
JJ Harrison (
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09:26, 19 August 2011 (UTC)reply
As for someone who lives there, and who has taken a few Paris shots, it's because it's not easy to get the opportunity... Most of the buildings are offices, and they won't let you reach the higher floors easily (already asked). I wonder who author asked, but it seems taken from Défense 2000 which is apartments building. Maybe he has a friend or relative there. -
Blieusong (
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21:01, 21 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Support Few technical flaws, but maybe it's not so easy to do better, and it's OK given the size. And one has to be able to take a picture from such place... I wonder about FOP issues though.-
Blieusong (
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21:01, 21 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Support: The FOP issues would probably fall under "unavoidable presence", which makes them okay. Colours are good, difficult shot because of the permissions issue, highlights are a little blown but I agree that they are offset by the difficulty of the shot.
Crisco 1492 (
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10:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - An exact scaled diagram showing the orbital altitudes of several significant satellites of earth. all planets and orbital distances are drawn to scale and the altitude data was collected from many Wikipedia articles and various other sites.
Reason
It is clear and concise, high resolution, and presents information in a compelling way. It adds value to the articles it is featured in and is used in several global articles. It was promoted as a valued picture before the project was cancelled.
Should be redone in
SVG format. SVG is easier to edit, easier to translate, and more usable in a variety of a situations (scalability).
The scale "1 px = 10 Km" is not as useful as a visual scale, it is also incorrect when the the image is viewed at different dimensions other than full (like on this page).
Some of the text could probably be a bit bigger for better readability.
Per above comments, I oppose at this time. If those are resolved, I may be able to support. It seems to be a very valuable image.
The Earth is raster and it wouldn't be useful to convert it or embed it into a vector file, also I think editing and translating it is not that hard as the bg is mostly black. ■ MMXX talk22:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)reply
* Weak Support There is too much stuff going on in the Low Earth orbit area. Too hard to follow the lines.... Fix this and it will get full support from me.
Dusty777 (
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15:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I disagree. I think it's perfectly readable and not something that can or should be "fixed". It's a technical image (more or less)... it's supposed to require a little close examination to understand what's going on.
JBarta (
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09:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
* Support I find this helpful. Dusty777, a lot of stuff happens in the Low Earth Orbit area and this diagram presents it in a way that makes sense.
Pinetalk 21:03, 24 August 2011 (UTC) Oops, I didn't catch the typos. There's another one on the far right side of the image. Earth should be capitalized. Fix those and I think I'll support.
Pinetalk02:29, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
In that same sentence, there should be an apostrophe in "earths." Also, punctuation should be consistent: sometimes full sentences are ending with a period and sometimes not.
Chick Bowen21:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)reply
weak oppose not supporting until SVG - for the reasons mentioned above. Unless a diagram is of a particular historical significance itself, or irreplaceable third-party generated, we should strive for SVG diagrams. Also the mis-spelling is not something we expect in a high-quality diagram. Fix that and its awesome. --
Cerejota (
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23:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Verifiable sources should be included. "...data was collected from many Wikipedia articles and various other sites" doesn't sound convincing.
Jó Kritika (
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03:27, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose: I appreciate the effort to compile the information, but putting it in a format that will be difficult to edit is a bad idea. The phrase "very first" makes my teeth grate, something that is the "very first" isn't any more "first" than something that is just "first".--
RDBury (
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09:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Modified: I fixed all the typo's mentioned, and I am willing to do whatever needs to be done to improve this image. I have no intentions to make it an SVG though because I see no reason it would ever need to be scaled enough to warrant that.
Rrakanishu (
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12:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I second that. For example, if it were SVG, we could have fixed all the text issues right now very quickly and get this excellent diagram to FP quicker. But its a JPG and we can't do anything :/.--
Cerejota (
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14:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I'll third it. One of the troublesome things about images that contain textual information is the difficulty in updating or correcting them. When it's an image, the only person who can make the change is the person who created the image. If others try to change the image, you run into all sorts of problems with fonts and colors, etc. Over time, the image can get a little messy. Add to that, your image is a JPG. All it takes is one person in the chain saving it at high compression and the image gets screwed up... maybe even unreadable. In the long run, the SVG format makes WAY more sense for this diagram.
JBarta (
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22:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I didn't really consider that anyone would need to change any text, why couldn't it be used as is. I suppose I can try to create it as svg but I'm not as good with illustrator as I am with photoshop and I fear the image will loose something in the process.
Rrakanishu (
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19:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Any diagram with text should be expected to be updated or spell checked in the future, and the free license implies anyone can do so. SVG facilitates this process greatly, so it is a nice standard to have. For example, I do not object it not being SVG, bu tif it were SVG my objection would be fixed quickly, even by myself!--
Cerejota (
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20:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose in its current format, this image should be SVG. I'll be happy to do the conversion if the original author is not confident with Illustrator/Inkscape/etc. - ZephyrisTalk10:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I finished the vector image. But when I converted to SVG some fonts and shadows got messed up (I knew something would go wrong) I'll try to fix that tomorrow. For now at least its SVG. Must sleep now.
Rrakanishu (
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06:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
A
vector version of this image is also available, and should be used in place of this
raster image where the raster image contains information that could be stored more efficiently and/or accurately in the SVG format, as a
vector graphic.
If its license requires the preservation of attribution or revision history, the raster version of this image should not be deleted, in order to maintain this information. For more information, see the
documentation on MediaWiki's support of SVG images.
Oppose I agree with Pine, it's a good image that illustrates the bird well, it is just slightly short of the mark, if it were sharper I would support. Fallschirmjäger✉19:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose: seems rather pedestrian compared to previous FPs in this category. High EV, definitely. Resolution? Of course... but it doesn't quite have the oomph factor.
This made me glad I was sitting... the current nomination? Not so much.
Crisco 1492 (
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15:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Haddock, Melanogrammus aeglefinus. Drawing by H. L. Todd, from: No. 10440, U.S. National Museum, collected at Eastport, Me., 1872, by U.S. Fish Commission.
Reason
High quality scan of a detailed drawing from the late 1800s, used in three articles
Oppose. Just not a striking image I'm afraid. Decent EV, although for animal articles, I think photographs are more useful personally.
Kaldari (
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04:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
1905? That would have to be a Miethe-style three-color transparency. I don't know of any such thing in the US other than lab experiments. Autochromes, a little later, but they were not used for this kind of subject (I'm planning to nominate one shortly). Prokudin-Gorsky's work, much beloved and rightly so on this page, was not actually known in the US (or even much known in Europe) until much later. It's really not reasonable to expect color before the development of inexpensive color film in the 1950s, and, if we're going to talk about film grain and maximum visible detail, I don't even think there's an appreciable advantage to color film, to this day. Digital is a different matter.
Chick Bowen23:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment The unedited original should also be uploaded and linked to from the image page. The link to the LoC source is currently broken as well.
JJ Harrison (
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12:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak support. As JJ says above, I'd prefer that the unedited image is uploaded, and the actual edits documented (is there just cropping and minor cloning here, or is there also contrast manipulation?). Since editing appears fairly minimal here, I'll support with reservations.
Chick Bowen01:52, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Neutral I like the image but I'm not convinced of high EV. Maybe if the article was more extensive or the caption was more detailed, I could be convinced.
Pine 08:59, August 25, 2011
Comment I'm not too knowledgeable on the glacier itself, though I thought this image might add to the description in the article. I've also uploaded a
wider angle panorama if that's more suitable/interesting.
SBORK16:08, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment. I'm not seeing the EV. This image is just tacked onto the end of the article/into a gallery. Why not show the whole building?
J Milburn (
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21:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak support I like the detail but I agree with Milburn that the EV is less than ideal. If there was a section in the article that discussed the entrance in detail then this would have better EV.
Pinetalk07:23, 27 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment While there's something to be said for the dynamic composition and additional detail permitted by zooming in, FPC generally favors more stable and balanced shots of architecture, or at least such that does not cut off parts of the building. See [
examples].
HereToHelp(
talk to me)22:39, 31 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment I don't think the definition for FPCs should be so rigid as to dictate what framing and detail level the composition has - there are certainly examples in the Architecture FPCs that similar to the nomination explicity crop into a structure to enhance certain aspects of it - enabling the viewer to understand the architect/artists creation. In this composition of the Dome of the Rock - the architectural facade and column decoration can be seen at a greater fidelity than they might will a full shot of the building. These FPC examples come to mind with similar purposeful compositions: [
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Support. Slightly front-focussed, and I'd tend to drop off the ISO a bit, but quite good composition and clarity of the bird given the natural camouflage with the background, and good enough when viewed at a fair image size. --
jjron (
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13:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the support but it's not a focus problem. As JJ mentions below, I was higher than the bird, shooting from inside a vehicle which gives the illusion of it being front focused --
Muhammad(talk)08:48, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Support both, prefer original I think the original shadows looked fine, thus prefer the unmanipulated version, but both are good. --
99of9 (
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12:27, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support pref. edit. Fix the white balance please (it is too blue). You probably only have to aim for 1/250th with a slowly moving subject like this and image stabilization. You could probably manage lower for still subjects, so ISO 1600 isn't needed in my view. Wider crop would be preferable if you have it.
JJ Harrison (
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23:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the tip. What I noticed though from a series of shots I took of this bird, only one or two came out sharp the others had motion blur as the bird was moving around. Putting up an edit in a while --
Muhammad(talk)00:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)reply
You haven't bumped the switch to mode 2 have you? At any rate just take lots of shots, assuming your card is big enough. ISO 800 might be a good compromise.
JJ Harrison (
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09:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support both but prefer original. Quite possibly there are minor problems with colour and crop, but it's an excellent photo. What a funny looking bird!
TehGrauniad (
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22:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - A decorative kris with the handle shaped like
SemarALT - Original with blue backgroundALT 2 Another, closer cutoutALT 3 White background, no cutoutALT 4 More neutral background, no cutout
Reason
I think this could be a featured picture because it is of high resolution, shows the subject clearly, shows the sheathe (which many of our other pictures of kris lack, thus giving greater EV), and is interesting (the blade design, unique handle etc.). The original can be seen
here, and we could also use
this version, with an off-white background.
Comment. The cut-out job from the
original blue background is, frankly, pretty average. Looks like an auto-select tool was used and the selection never cleaned up. There's a lot very rough edges on both objects, and colour mismatch near the top of the blade. To have a realistic chance I think this really needs to be either redone properly, or nominated as the original image with the original background. I feel though that original lighting and sharpness are a little off too. --
jjron (
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08:46, 28 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Yeah, some pros, some cons to the alt source. Shadows are less harsh and b/g is more pleasant, but the actual objects are both duller, yet with more direct flash reflection, I'm assuming the result of a more overhead flash use. I'm not sure which one I prefer overall (assuming a cut-out is done, otherwise the blue b/g itself is off-putting in that one). I'd have a go at the cut-out myself, but don't have the time to spare. --
jjron (
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14:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)reply
You're right, it was too red. I tried lessening the bluish cast from the original and overdid it. Manipulating colors is not my strong point. Your fix looks much better.
JBarta (
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00:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
You made a further edit (21:21, 29 August 2011) that reintroduced the bluish cast. Your edit of 20:38, 29 August 2011 was good. Why do you feel it needs to be close to the original when the original is arguably flawed? I think you should revert it back to your edit of 20:38, 29 August 2011.
JBarta (
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01:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Both cut outs are obvious in my view and the blue background one is pretty horrible. Since this is a self nomination I assume you can shoot this again. You really need to stop playing with photoshop and toss it on a white background, like paper, or better, white acrylic. A lot less work than the photoshop route. The lighting and detail is good.
JJ Harrison (
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09:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
ALT 2 was cut out from
this. Maybe obvious as a cutout, but for a cutout I think it's not all bad. At any rate, I agree that a nice photo on a white backgound would be preferrable to a cutout on a white background.
JBarta (
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13:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
So did I, then I used curves, then I used the dodge tool on the background where needed. I uploaded over the top to avoid too many edits etc, but you can upload it separately if you like. It is easier to do that than cut stuff out entirely. Getting the lighting right will save a lot of effort for things like this though.
JJ Harrison (
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09:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the touch-ups. ALT4 looks the best IMHO. Regarding lighting, I will try for the next image but I only have a mid-range camera. Do you think ALT4 is good enough?
Crisco 1492 (
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12:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I think so. Camera shouldn't matter, just a light tent (possibly home made) and some of those cheap halogen work lights shining on to it should work pretty well for nearly no money.
JJ Harrison (
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10:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This is a good example of where the artsy-ness of the image detracts from its encyclopedic value. While it's a lovely photo, it doesn't tell us much about the subject.
J Milburn (
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11:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Support I'm going out on a limb here, but I feel that the "stimulates reader's interest in the subject" thing is getting side lined. It's reasonably stunning, and it shows basically how a poppy looks.
Aaadddaaammm (
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20:41, 29 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'd be inclined to recommend waiting, with this one. There's no great urgency to promote now, and the article/subject may yet change dramatically. To phrase in relation to the criteria- while there does seem to be a considerable degree of EV right now, whether that will be the case in the future is less clear. There is an explicit rule about current events at GAC; I wouldn't support an explicit rule here, but I think it's something to consider.
J Milburn (
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20:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I suppose that it wouldn't hurt to pause this nomination for a week in case a better photo of the same subject becomes available. I don't object to your putting it on hold.
Pinetalk22:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Needs to sit in an article for a week first. I suspect this image is the sort that could be swapped around a bit, so let us let the dust settle.
JJ Harrison (
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02:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)reply
FWIW, it's not really a rule to wait a week, just a suggestion so people don't nominate pictures that get removed from the articles before the voting period is over.--
RDBury (
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11:01, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose - not an especially impressive way of illustrating this most recent storm event. It's not an especially well-defined system, and barring unusual visual appeal with these kinds of illustrations, it's just another satellite image among thousands of others taken every year. I would rather find a high-quality picture of damage from NC or VT or another relevant area. Also, FWIW, I think this shot is a bit misleading and lacking in educational value. At face value, it looks like a symmetrical, powerful hurricane with a nice eye and everything, but a closer look reveals several structural impediments preventing the storm from intensifying: limited outflow on the western semicircle, outflow boundaries on the NW quad, and dry air being entrained into the CDO. If it were used to illustrate these issues with an explanation of how they affect tropical systems, then I would be more willing to support. However, it seems to be used in a misleading fashion at the moment.
Juliancolton (
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15:18, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Is of a high technical standard. Is of high resolution. It is similar in quality, composition, resolution to other FPs of similar amphibians in their habitat. It illustrates the subject in a compelling way, showing how a female of the species looks in its habitat, it is attractive and natural, supported by the article text on the rarity of this frog: it could be used as a poster-child for frog conservation efforts. Has a free license - PD US Government. Adds value to the article providing a high quality illustration of the subject in its habitat. Is verifiable, a US government picture is of high reliability. Avoids inappropriate digital manipulation - there is no visible manipulation.
Oppose This has looks up-sampled to me and the quality suffers when viewed at any reasonable resolution. If down-sampled it may still meet the criteria, but as is I can't get behind it.
Cowtowner (
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18:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Followup: I still oppose the nomination more or less per Makeem. This doesn't touch the quality of our current gallery, with the possible exception of a now-extinct species. While I'm not a proponent of the "we can do better argument" (for, surely, we always could), it certainly seems to be the case that we haven't done well enough yet and should expect more.
Cowtowner (
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08:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
You probably didn't have to go that far. What would a 1500x(w.e.) pic look like? It might be a good compromise between size and quality.
Crisco 1492 (
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16:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Given that four people had already supported the non-downsized version, you should be putting the edit up as a separate edit, not overwriting the original (especially given it's not even your photo). As is, those pre-edit votes technically don't necessarily count now. --
jjron (
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15:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)reply
More likely, as they were "per nom" support, they support the change as a minor improvement to the encyclopedic quality. I have notified them of your concern so they can weight in. If they do not respond, we can safely assume they still support.--
Cerejota (
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23:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the notification. I have no problem with either version, although I agree with jjron that it would have been better to set up the alternates separately. I agree that the original and the 1500 version are a little grainy but for me either is good enough.
Pinetalk00:36, 29 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak support: Seems a little grainy, but not as bad as the original size. Pose is nice, sharpness is pretty good, colour balance is nice. EV is good.
Crisco 1492 (
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23:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I know there is an element of subjectiveness here, but this is a nocturnal amphibian in its natural habitat. Except for the directly comparable
File:Atelopus certus calling male edit.jpg, (which except for being larger and having a less busy background -probably due it being a captive/staged picture- it is of the exact same technical quality and is nocturnal) the two or three closest amphibians are indeed brighter, but they are diurnal and have the advantage of natural light, however they have the same EV, focus, color balance and subject centerness, essentially the same quality. Other than that, with the fix for downsampling, this is at the level of the comparable amphibian FPs that exist, like
File:Bufo_melanosticus_01.JPG or
File:Litoria_phyllochroa.JPG. So I find your comment that it "Doesn't come close" to be a bit unfair - at a technical level it is at the same level or close to it. I could accept some of these amphibians are prettier subjects, with brighter colors or better habitats, but that is what the subject is - if that is what your are evaluating, it sounds like you think it is impossible to make an FP of this subject - something I think the FP process doesn't agree with. I carefully evaluated this picture against the existing Amphibians before nomination, and found it comparable, otherwise I wouldn't be wasting out time.--
Cerejota (
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19:01, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Taking this picture was most probably pretty easy. It was most likely just a matter of pointing the camera at it with the flash on. I'm guessing the quality was a bit low because the photographer had to crop it since he/she didn't have a macro lens. That possibly the choice of aperture possibly. About half the amphibian FPs are taken with flash, probably at night, and most of them are better quality.
JJ Harrison (
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23:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
I have handled this particular frog, and there is nothing easy about photographing it, it is evasive, quick moving, and seldom comes out of its rock habitat into the trees. I am actually extremely surprised at the quality considering how rarely photographed this species is - unlike other frogs called "coqui" or "guajon" in Puerto Rico, this is a rock-dweller, and very hard to spot and photograph. Compare for example, the pedestrian photographs of other "coquis"
File:Eleutherodactylus_antillensis01.jpg,
File:Eleutherodactylus_gryllus.jpg,
File:Common_Coquí.jpg etc. You will hopefully see why the issues introduced by scaling are minimal compared to the other quality standards to be considered, both in comparison to other amphibian FPs and to other pictures of similar frogs in the same genus and habitat area - extremely difficult topic to successfully photograph. This picture is amazing in that context, and enough intrinsic value to be featured even without that context, at least in my view and in comparison with other Amphibian FPs.--
Cerejota (
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23:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Firstly, I did support it. I mean easy in the technical sense, like with the right equipment it is "just" a matter of point and shoot. I didn't mean that it'd be necessarily easy to get the camera in the right position, or find the subject. However, many subjects presented here are evasive, quick moving and difficult to find. "coquis", and other species from that region are poorly represented here because of systemic bias as far as photographer location goes, not because of inherit extra difficulty.
JJ Harrison (
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09:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I understand you support, I am simply putting an additional element to consideration - I am surprised that the best quality coqui picture in wikipedia (which is this one) is actually of one of the hardest one to make, while the common coqui, which is pernicious and easy to photograph is lacking.--
Cerejota (
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04:09, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I consider this picture of the same (or approaching) FP quality, except in size - which I think shouldn't be punished for, as it is sufficient for FAC criteria (ie not all FPs need to be the same size/resolution).--
Cerejota (
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04:09, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose I'm not punishing it for size, I agree it meets the criteria, but that doesn't make it of the same quality as better resolved ones. Even if we were only evaluating the thumbnail, this one shows very considerable noise! --
99of9 (
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05:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 7 Sep 2011 at 01:19:54 (UTC)
Original -
Autochrome nude study by
Arnold Genthe. The autochrome is a photographic process that entered the market in 1907, which uses a random mosaic of colored grains that are visible through a black-and-white image, producing the effect of color.Alt 1 no blur, full-size
Reason
We do not have a single featured autochrome, nor do we have a single photographic nude, nor anything by Genthe, who was one of the best-known California photographers before Adams. So let us overcome this triple oversight. As nudes go, I feel this one makes particularly clear the goals of modernist, artistic nude photography; the circular form with one hand over the head calls to mind the famous Edward Weston picture of Bertha Wardell. It also shows the way the imprecise color of an autochrome can be an aesthetic strength.
This was a tricky edit (
here's the original). Though there was damage to the plate, there's also a fair amount of chromatic randomness that is inherent to the autochrome process. I did take one step that was a little more aggressive than usual. Autochromes have a typical gridlike chromatic pattern, which is visible in a high-resolution scan of the plate but wasn't the way they were traditionally viewed (which was in a small handheld viewer, sort of like half a stereoscope). To reduce the obviousness of this pattern, I applied a very slight blur and downscaled a little bit. The post-edit, pre-blur, pre-downscale version is
here. We can consider it as an alt if you like. I don't think the difference is enormous. Oh, you'll also note that I left a little black in the corners of the crop. This is to avoid cutting off her elbow or hair. I've never seen an autochrome with straight edges anyway.
Whilst the difference isn't enormous as you say, I don't think the blur should be applied if it is to appear in the photographic autochrome article.
JJ Harrison (
talk)
09:11, 29 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: This comes from the LoC and I found it
here, though this looks like a different scan. My first impression is that it seems to be in black and white with random color stains rather than a color picture. The LoC's Genthe collection has many examples where the color shows up much better, though there may be copyright restrictions on them. So I'm not convinced it has significant EV for the Autochrome article.--
RDBury (
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14:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Even in comparison with other autochromes the color is barely noticeable. Compare with
this image in the same collection; you can see the colors in the rainbow, the green of the trees etc. The other images we have in the autochrome article are better examples as well. The LoC archive has hundreds of images in the collection, many are very poor quality (the difference between an archive and a gallery), but it doesn't take much time to find images that are better examples of autochrome than this one.--
RDBury (
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10:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
The image you link is a better example of the way autochromes represent bright colors. That doesn't necessarily make it a more representative example of what autochrome was used for. As this image and many others indicate, there was quite a range of the way photographers made use of the available colors. Keep in mind that Genthe was a pictorialist; strict documentation of his subject was seldom his aim.
Chick Bowen14:23, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
You're making the assumption that what we're seeing is what Genthe intended; given the images in the collection with washed out colors or other damage I don't think that assumption is valid. According to our article one hazard with autochromes is damage from projector heat and it's possible that that happened here. Your claim that Genthe was trying for some kind of artistic manipulation of the colors doesn't jibe with the other pictures in the collection. I've gone through it and there are landscapes, portraits of famous people (mostly women), pictures of houses and gardens, etc., but imo nothing to suggest the kind of thing you're talking about. What you're saying may be true, but to use it as an argument for EV it should be covered in the article with supporting references, until then I'm skeptical.--
RDBury (
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21:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
This is a superb image artistically, but I must agree that it is a particularly poor representative of the color quality that photographers of Genthe's caliber routinely achieved with Autochrome plates. Judging as a longtime student of early color processes and the proprietor of a modest collection of Autochromes, IMO this image probably boasted rich peaches-and-cream skin tones when it was new but has deteriorated considerably. Every Autochrome has a built-in color fading test chart in the form of the dyed grains, which will be very intensely colored if it is well-preserved, so if an ultra-high-res version of this is available from the LoC perhaps it would be possible to judge the true state of preservation by the intensity of color apparent in some of the larger grain clusters, and also to do some historically accurate color restoration on that basis. This plate might be a victim of projection "frying", the typical symptom of which is a stain-like yellow-brown discoloration over most of the image with somewhat better-preserved color at the corners and edges, where the heat of illumination was less intense. It could also be the result of simple prolonged exhibition by daylight—fading in Autochromes is easy to misdiagnose, because unlike modern color materials it is possible for the color to fade completely while leaving an image with neutral grays and decent blacks, as the relative luminances are due to the silver image and not dependent on the dyes.
Some, at least, of the poor color may be due to the way the plate was rephotographed. Images which exhibit "quaint" muted colors and pinkish skies when lying on a typical light-box can look remarkably different when viewed by daylight in an optimally arranged diascope or, best of all, illuminated with the aid of a condenser lens as if for projection. Even then, when rephotographed either on film or digitally, the results are rarely representative. I have several specimens which, when optimally viewed, are nearly as fresh and vivid as yesterday's snapshots, and I have seen many other high-quality examples, but it would be very hard to believe such color quality was possible if judging only by the almost universally poor reproductions available online and in books, or even by specimens seen "live" with the color-impairing disadvantage of modern display techniques. The George Eastman House's extensive online collection is further hobbled by that institution's insistence on the "authentic" representation of their images as very dark, just as they would appear surrounded by the brightly-lit expanse of the abominable fluorescent light-box undoubtedly used to rephotograph them, so that the only true whites are in areas of damage where there is just bare glass with no color grain layer. It is not clear if the LoC also subscribes to this bizarre philosophy, but if so, that could also account for some of the murkiness and color degradation.
AVarchaeologist (
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06:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
For an easy visual-ed alternative to slogging through my overlong and rambling discourse above, check out
[5] at the LoC. The substantially different appearance under different lighting conditions is obvious. An Autochrome is a three-dimensional array of minute optical elements slightly spaced apart by a varnish layer, not just overlaid dye images like a Kodachrome or Ektachrome transparency. Their primary colors were orange-red, green and blue-violet, not RGB or CMY. Color balance and saturation, and even apparent contrast, are hugely dependent on the nature of the light source and the optics of the viewing setup. The close-up view on the LoC page almost certainly employed a light box for illumination. The view of the same plate in its diascope may have been shot by incandescent light. By daylight, a different (and almost certainly more vivid and accurate) color palette would appear. My point is that nobody can know just what the candidate image really looks like unless the LoC grants them the unlikely privilege of taking the original in its diascope to some spot where actual daylight, ideally a patch of bright white sky visible through a rather small or distant window, is available for illumination.
AVarchaeologist (
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06:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: Those large black marks in the top corners detract from the image. Considering the age, I don't think the pixelation is too bad. The ALT is better.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
11:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose. Just not a very striking image—seems overly muted/washed out. Also the black corners are distracting. I understand this is inherent to the medium, but it doesn't help the aesthetic qualities of the work.
Kaldari (
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04:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
"I don't like it", isn't much of a criteria. The fact that muted colours are "inherent to the medium" simply adds to EV -- whether or not you think it adds to the aesthetic.
Cowtowner (
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08:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support: I've tried fixing the black marks, but they won't disappear. After looking at other monochromes, I am convinced that the nominator's statement that it is inherent to the medium is true. I prefer the ALT, but either will do.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
13:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The "black marks" are just the inner edges of the gummed black paper edge tape which was almost always used to bind an Autochrome plate up with a cover glass, to protect its delicate emulsion side. The plates were cut neat and square at the factory, but it was practically impossible for the end-user to apply gummed tape with equal precision. The LoC has prudently chosen to leave slivers of it visible rather than cropping any of the image to get rid of them. If the traces are disturbing, a historically correct remedy would be to "restore" the rest of the tape by adding a narrow black surround, roughly 1/4 of an inch wide at actual-size scale, that blends into the bits which are visible. Guaranteed to make the border irregularity pass unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers.
AVarchaeologist (
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06:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, it's pussible to remove all of them, but IMO some of them are needed as they give dimension to the picture, maybe only remove the one which is close to the bird on the right. anyway, it's a nice picture with good EV, I like it. ■ MMXX talk20:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose Nice photo, but we already have a FP of this bird for the lead article image and this photo isn't significantly better than the existing one, so this photo doesn't add much EV.
Pinetalk21:20, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Question, what is standard practice regarding having multiple FPs of the same subject? If this is not considered a problem for EV of the second photo then I'll reconsider. On the subject of highlights, I must disagree, because if we're going to allow the recent photo of Paris to be its FPC with its blown highlights all over the photo, I don't think the minor issues with the current bird FP's beak should be a concern. But as I said, I'll reconsider if the standard practice for FPs is that multiple FPs of the same subject are OK.
Pinetalk07:54, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
We have maybe 5 pictures of the space shuttle and a good few of the Eiffel Tower, so it is allowed. I think the key is that it must show a different aspect of the subject. For this image, I think showing the bird's feeding habits and a bit more of the body (as there are two birds) would qualify. Regarding the Paris picture, one of the main reasons for the highlights being ignored was because of the difficulty in taking such a picture, due to usually limited access to skyscrapers at night.
Crisco 1492 (
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09:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I think it is either some different aspect, or a direct, considerable improvement to qualify. I think this does so on both counts. As far as blown highlights are concerned, thought should be given as to what is blown, if it is an ancillary detail, and if the subject is misrepresented or not. The whole beak on that shot is blown, making the colour a weird orange, misrepresenting it. I seem to recall opposing it at that time for that reason. Some blown highlights on light sources are unavoidable for a night photo.
JJ Harrison (
talk)
10:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support Impala article now has 4 featured pictures so I think this is fine as long as it shows some different aspect of the bird. Nice capture BTW --
Muhammad(talk)02:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose edit Flicking between them there is a pretty serious loss in image quality. The beak and eye of the left hand bird shows it pretty well.
JJ Harrison (
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11:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - The view of
Nanga Parbat, taken 1 kilometre (0.62 mi) from the base camp.
Reason
I think this should be an FP as it is fairly high resolution for its age (6 years) and a technically difficult shot due to the trek. It has high EV and provides an interesting contrast between the green grass, grey stone, and white snow. Crisp and clear.
Question If I'm seeing this right, there is a hill in the foreground that blocks the view of the mountain. Why couldn't this photo have been taken from the top of that hill to give a clearer view of the mountain?
Pinetalk21:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support I like having the foreground there - it tells me stuff about the lower altitude habitat and I don't find it distracting. Going significantly off trail is often frowned upon in such wilderness areas, a lot of alpine vegetation is quite vulnerable to trampling.
JJ Harrison (
talk)
09:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose This photo has a nice idea, but even supposing that this had been in the article for a week, I would oppose because of the graininess and other quality problems, especially at the top of the image. If someone wants to take a similar photo with better quality and lighting, it might be a good featured picture.
Pinetalk07:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
This is very poignant showing the despair of a homeless person against the grandness of the cathedral. It also is a visually striking photo. The only downside is that at full resolution, there is some color fringing. However the overall effect overcomes the flaw, in my opinion.
Reluctant oppose The idea behind this photo was a good one, juxtaposing grand architecture with poverty. However, the blurring and stretching of the photo at the edges prevents me from supporting this for Featured Picture.
Pinetalk07:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose The pic is titled anti-clockwise. The crop is tight at the bottom, cutting off the wheel. The CA could be fixed in software. The top half of the building is out of focus. The lighting is harsh. Too many technical problems. Not sure this has strong EV either. --
Colin°
Talk09:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose I think that the juxtaposition of elements is a good idea for an image that is designed to position an audience, but not so much for an encyclopaedia article. I think this is a difficult subject to illustrate well.
JJ Harrison (
talk)
10:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I don't object to edit 1 but I prefer having no edits where possible, and I don't have a problem with the original so I prefer it.
Pinetalk20:48, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose both -- Unfortunate crop, the poor animal looks caged! This affects the EV of the picture imo as the giraffe is an open space species!
Alvesgaspar (
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17:20, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Striated Pardalote (Pardalotus striatus) on a
Silver Wattle (Acacia dealbata), Risdon Brook Park, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
High quality image of a Striated Pardalote. This subspecies is differentiated from all the others by the fact that the spot on the wing is yellow, rather than red.
Weak support: I see some Photoshop remnants above the head and the eye is a little glossy, but the quality on the bird is fantastic. EV is good too. I'd give full support with a bit of touch-up.
Crisco 1492 (
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15:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Australian Golden Whistler (Pachycephala pectoralis)
Reason
Its a nice photo of a bird more often heard than seen in close quarters. My last good chance for a photo-op was in 2008, and I simply didn't have the equipment for it at that time. This photo shows all of the important plumage.
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Original - British
Conservative statesman, writer, academic, poet and former solider
Enoch Powell. Well known for his controversial 1968 "
Rivers of Blood" speech.Alternative
Reason
A striking and high quality portrait, particularly exceptional among the UK's political figures.
Support, absolutely. A highly significant person, irreplaceable as he is now dead, and a great portrait. Our only shot of him; something we are very lucky to have. There are a few imperfections, but, honestly, I don't care. This is the kind of thing of which I would love to see more here.
J Milburn (
talk)
20:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
That's hardly a fair statement. That currently nominated version displays more blur on the face is perfectly acceptable given the larger size. This, to me, clearly is a more detailed presentation of the subject.
Cowtowner (
talk)
08:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. I have tried to get Warren's work featured here before and have been disappointed with the reactions (I mean, there have been successful nominations, but not the ones I nominated). He is an excellent photographer and, as Milburn says, has frequently provided the sole free image for very important subjects.
Chick Bowen22:21, 30 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose: Come to think of it, I prefer Enoch Powell 4. Crisper lines, less lint or whatever. The pose in the nomination is better, but it needs some cleaning (down-sampling, removal of extraneous hairs and whatever).Crisco 1492 (
talk)
11:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)reply
More input needed - Which one is preferred? Also, please comment on the EV factor: the original is the lead image of a well-developed article. It would be difficult to promote the alt under the guise of EV, as it is only used at
Rivers of Blood speech. Jujutaculartalk19:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)reply
My support is for the original only, as it is the one used in the lead of the main article. Because of its usages, the other does not have the EV.
J Milburn (
talk)
10:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose original, weak support edit (Neutral towards edit) This is much closer than your other submissions, so keep up the good work. The lighting and image quality are pretty good. However, the crop is too tight at the sides and there is too much space at the top and bottom. For a symmetrical composition like this you really need to take care to stand on an axis of symmetry of the object (ie to the right a few feet).
JJ Harrison (
talk)
11:03, 5 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Also oppose the edit. It's better than the original but still not angled well, and I still find that the person on the top level of the monument detracts from the quality of the image.
Pinetalk07:33, 6 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I think it is centred, but based on the alcove with the statue (nearer the top). Different elements of the building seem slightly off-axis relative to each other - not the photographer's fault, in my opinion.
Samsara (
FA •
FP)
09:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks. :-) I know, I've been fairly quiet lately. It doesn't help that my Canon 5D has died and won't turn on... I'll probably wait for the next generation 5D (Mk III?) instead of getting a Mk II though, but who knows when that will be!
Ðiliff«»(Talk)06:00, 6 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment could we crop off the left third or so of the photo? I'm not sold on having the tree right in the middle, and all the animals are on the right anyways...
Calliopejen1 (
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16:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - An illustration of two males kissing, a common feature in
Yaoi manga. The receiving partner is somewhat androgynous, as is common in the genre, while the image itself is drawn partially with copic markers, which are common in the industry
Reason
I think this should qualify as a featured picture as it is a tactful representation of the subject matter,
Yaoi (also known as boys love), which as noted by the article is "female-oriented fictional media that focus on homoerotic or homoromantic male relationships". The image is of high resolution and good artistic quality. Although this is rightfully not a FP criteria, it should also be noted that the image is
featured at Commons. As a side note, it appears that this image would be one of the first anime and manga related FPs. I am aware that the nomination could be quite controversial.
Comment: Just for clarification, this is not by a notable artist? Secondly, are Copic markers and pencil crayons really typical media for this style of artwork?
J Milburn (
talk)
10:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Sen Cross appears to be a volunteer/employee with
Animexx, a group for the promotion of Japanese animation in Germany. Art styles vary heavily in Japanese animation (like in Western animation). A look through the manga-related categories in commons shows rather plain computer assisted drawings (such as
this) and more detailed drawings (such as
this. I will request feedback from from
WP:ANIME regarding the different art styles used in Japanese drawings, both fan art and commercial productions. I would assume that works meant to be sold en masse for profit would use a simpler style.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
12:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support: While uses of crayon pencils are certainly less common, use of Copic markers is extremely common (I would say they are even the unofficial standard, given how many artists there use them). I suspect the reason why crayon pencils are used less is because they produce a less-even coverage than do markers, and therefore make the reproduction of the work slightly more difficult, especially when it comes to turning it into animation. Markers provide a smoother appearance, more in keeping with what you see in most animation coloring. That said, this image is typical and accurate in general appearance to many anime and manga images released by professional artists in Japan, and I see no issues with it being made a featured image as it is very well done and high quality (as Commons has already recognized). It is free, so that makes it very valuable in an area where high quality free images are extremely hard to come by. ···
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Comment The character on the right looks like a woman to me (or at best androgynous), so I think it's not the best illustration of the genre. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
Calliopejen1 (
talk)
19:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)reply
As noted above and in the article, the genre is generally targeted at women; as such, I don't think a "bear" would be well accepted. The Yaoi article notes that stories are often "adolescent romance[s]", which would imply a level of androgynoussness(sp?). Also, the image itself is of the shōnen-ai variety, which involves "beautiful boys in love". As such, I think somewhat androgynous characters would be common in the genre/subgenre.
Crisco 1492 (
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23:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The educational value (I'm assuming that's what "EV" stands for here) is that it accurately depicts one aspect of the yaoi genre. As for your second comment, if it was a derivative of a specific manga, we couldn't use it because it wouldn't be a free image (and would be a copyright violation). The whole point here is that it is an original work which has the features of one category of manga, and is released under a free license. ···
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(EV is encyclopedic value). It is an accurate representation of the genre; requiring it to be from a specific manga series does not seem to be one of the criteria.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
07:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I also doubt that the general public would be interested in a species of shrubs from Western Australia but that did not prevent
Banksia brownii from becoming a featured article. General interest does not appear to be a criteria.--
70.24.215.48 (
talk)
22:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I have to agree that your claim about this being of little interest to "the general public" is not really a particularly good argument against featuring this. I am concerned about the fact that, so far as I can see, we have no reliable source tying this work/artist to this genre. Yes, it's free, but that doesn't mean we need to feature it.
J Milburn (
talk)
00:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- As with all other works of art nominated to FPC (including Mona Lisa), I'm not sure what are we are really trying to feature here: the artistic quality, the technical quality of the digital reproduction (not applicable here, I suppose) or anything else? And why should we use different criteria for assessing this particular picture, like being an excellent illustration of a certain manga genre? Do we feature a painting of van Gogh for its EV in illustrating the Impressionism? In the absence of objective evaluation criteria, I use my personal taste and oppose. Nothing special, really, other than the slight erotic/forbidden touch --
Alvesgaspar (
talk)
18:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)reply
As noted above, a high-quality free image from this genre is quite difficult to find, which would make it different than impressionism. As also noted above, it includes styles common to the genre (androgyny, Copic markers), as well as another one I'll add here: one of the partners being a "uke" or receiver, generally the more androgynous one. Regarding the illustration of styles,
this just-promoted nude was supported mainly on representing the medium and the artist,
this was for representing the subject, as was
this; as I have indicated above, and has been supported by several editors, the image is an accurate representation of the genre (styles, themes, relationship between the characters) which gives it a higher EV.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
23:21, 8 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. Crisco and Nihonjoe have made very convincing arguments for its EV. The complaints about aesthetics don't really make any sense. A good representative image of the genre is going to look like this. Otherwise, it would lose its EV. I think the image caption could be extended to include brief comments on angrogyny and copic markers, since those seem to be noteworthy features of the image.
Fallingmasonry (
talk)
14:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support A good illustration for the term and for the drawing technique. It shows what needs to be seen to understand the style and the topic. --
Niabot (
talk)
08:33, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - A gayaman-style
kris, with a figure of
Semar as the handle
Reason
I think this could be a featured picture because it is of high resolution, shows the subject clearly, shows the sheathe (which many of our other pictures of kris lack, thus giving greater EV), and is interesting (the blade design, unique handle etc.). The original can be seen
here. This nomination is a renomination of
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Semar Kris, as the current suggested image surfaced quite late in the discussion. This renomination is based on closing comments by
User:JJ Harrison and
User:Makeemlighter, as well as discussion on Makeemlighter's talk page.
Based on the dimensions, these don't seem to be a matching pair. If I'm wrong, it would be nice for EV to see how they fit together (and please don't just photoshop them). If I'm right and they do not match, this fact should be noted.
Samsara (
FA •
FP)
09:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I will take a few low resolution images (not for consideration for FP) to address your concerns and show that the blade and sheathe are a pair.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
14:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. Sure. It really doesn't look like the two could fit together does it? Some kind of optical illusion maybe?
Sabine's Sunbirdtalk
Perhaps because the slot in the wooden handle isn't visible, or the positioning with the head of the handle where the base of the wooden guard is. It never occurred to me before Samsara made a note above.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
08:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Question: I notice many white barbs (or something) near the petals. Are those supposed to be pure white? They seem to have reflected the flash terribly. The tendrils on the bottom flower seem to have blown highlights, but it wouldn't influence my vote.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
16:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The background colour seems to refer to the initial State or Territory which corresponds to the colour of the area on the map. The White line corresponds to what Singapore was doing at each point and is coloured white on the map. Nice idea, but could use some tuning.
Sabine's Sunbirdtalk07:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose It isn't svg and the rainbow background detracts from the image, even though it serves a purpose it would look better either with the hues changed or without the colours at all. It is also quite chaotic which may confuse some people.
Jamesrules90 (
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16:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - A female African Bush Elephant raises her trunk as a warning sign in Mikumi National Park, Tanzania
Reason
We already have a FP of this elephant but IMO this one shows a different aspect. While in the park, our vehicle moved too close to the elephant and she raised her trunk and one of her fellow elephants did the same, as if sniffing the air. This one then stomped around for some time. Good EV as it shows the individual hairs which may aid in the sensitivity as well as the raised trunk. Very high res.
Weak support: Good EV, action shot, high resolution and clear. Worried about how the majority of the animal is not shown, but considering the context that was the least of your worries.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
15:38, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The majority of the animal is shown in the
other FP. IMO the purpose of this is to show the trunk and facial details. Fortunately we were left untouched by the mighty elephant, no thanks to the guide who insisted we move even further! --
Muhammad(talk)17:54, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support Head shots can have a tough time, but I think this one has appropriate EV. I think it has been perhaps sharpened a bit much though (the fine white halo between elephant and sky)
JJ Harrison (
talk)
07:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - An SVG version of the image used for Young Pioneer pins in the Soviet Union.
Lenin is pictured. (With shadow)ALT1 - No shadow
Reason
I believe that the image has high encyclopedic value and represents its subject well, as it was the emblem of the group. SVG so resolution is no issue. Currently featured at Commons.
Oppose because if we allow this to be FP, then every high resolution logo of every organization with an article would qualify for FP, which could clutter this nomination page and a few FP categories.
Pinetalk21:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Excellent reproductions of striking, free logos of organisations, especially when the logo itself is significant, and when there's no issue of advertising (though maybe concerns about advertising would just serve to keep them off the main page...), would make good FPCs, in my opinion. That's a very small group of images. Of more concern to me are crests/coats of arms; we've promoted some of them, but it seems that almost any of them would be eligible.
J Milburn (
talk)
10:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: I like it, and I prefer it without the shadow, but I wonder why the red bars are thicker than the black bars? That doesn't appear to be the case with the pin.
J Milburn (
talk)
10:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment (leaning oppose). Where do the colours for this image come from? The colours on the pin are very different, particular in the flame section (see
[6]) - the flame is more like the lighter rays below and it is all one colour whereas this gets darker towards the edges. Also, on the pin, the lighter rays are thinner than the dark ones, but here it is the other way round. Another image I found is again different (
[7]). To my mind an image of an actual pin or logo has more EV than an SVG image.
Polequant (
talk) 12:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC) Oppose per above, unless colours are changed or explained. I'd also still lean to an image of an actual pin or banner too (given the proliferation of the pins, I wouldn't have thought it would be too hard to find one in good condition).
Polequant (
talk)
12:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose per the various concerns above. I'm ok with this in theory, but I'm really not convinced that this reproduction is completely accurate. Sorry.
J Milburn (
talk)
23:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --WPPilot 19:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Oppose: Image seems to have blown highlights, and there are some framing issues (the flagpole at the top of the palace, for example, is mostly cut out). The palace itself seems to be a little crooked in the image. It's a nice shot, and I'd be happy to support an image taken under better lighting conditions.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
00:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Ice from the Vatnajökull glacier on the black volcanic shoreline at Jökulsárlón
Reason
High resolution, high EV (shows where the pictured iceberg came from (Vatnajökull)), good quality, good composition. Geo-tagged. Quality image on Commons.
This one got to there probably by water and then I guess it just drifted to the shore before it reached the ocean (there's a small river between jokulsarlon and the ocean which can be seen in the picture behind the iceberg)--Someone35(talk)17:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment -- There is no way of evaluating scale here. How big is this ice block? Could it be considered an iceberg if it were only a few feet high (or less)? --
Alvesgaspar (
talk)
15:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Language difficulty? It's not an
iceberg then. Icebergs are very large floaty lumps of ice (sink ocean liners, that kind of thing). Describe it as a picture of the shoreline at
Jökulsárlón - it seems to be a cracking picture of the extraordinary landscape.
Elen of the Roads (
talk)
22:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose: changing the term to landscape doesn't quite cover it, as the focus on the ice block belies what it is meant to be. High resolution, but little EV.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
09:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
How do I change a picture's name? And Crisco, what demonstrates the connection between Vatnajokull and the icebergs in Jokulsarlon better than a picture of both the ice block/iceberg in Jokulsarlon with Vatnajokjull? Pino, if I'll change the picture's name from "iceberg" to "ice block" and add the size of the iceberg/ice block in the description, will it be good enough for you?--Someone35(talk)12:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
If the file is on Commons, you need to use the
rename template and give a suggestion, then wait for an admin or filemover to do it. Regarding the image itself, it would have higher EV if an actual iceberg.
Crisco 1492 (
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13:25, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I do have pictures of icebergs too (such as the one on the right) this picture but there are tons of pictures of Jokulsarlon itself (so it won't contribute much to these articles because there's already a panorama made by a professional photographer there, do you think that picture will have a better chance to be a featured picture?--Someone35(talk)13:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support I like it as it is. I don't think that cropping is necessary, but if someone wants to post an alt then we can consider it.
Pinetalk09:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support I suppose this is very deep water, in which case I don't think a too-tight crop is needed (although I would also support a crop) as we would loose the indication of the murky environment. The articles are a little short, but I thin they check out ok.
TehGrauniad (
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11:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Considering the location, I doubt the photographer could have stepped out and measured it. The species' size itself doesn't seem to have been identified (not in any of the sources).
Crisco 1492 (
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09:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I'm no expert, but I believe that the size varies as much as, say, mould or coral, meaning that the size of this particular specimen isn't particularly important. I believe what you're seeing here is many different organisms that act as one, as a "
colonial organism". It's not too distantly related to the famous
Portuguese Man o' War- they're both in the order
Siphonophorae.
J Milburn (
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14:21, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Speedy Support This is one of the most beautiful images I have seen here, it is detailed superbly and not grainy. It is not blurred hence the appendages look like lightbulbs. I think this picture is representative of the subject + Comment Not only mankind can light up the world! Oh, and do they make plushies of these?
SheledUmlal14:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I'm happy that you like this image. I've rotated it because is his natural posture. The NOAA photo Library has not even made the effort to identify the specimen, so, we don't ask them to put the image in the right direction!
see this one --
Citron (
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21:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The nature of this photo makes orientation pretty arbitrary, so I would say Citron was right in doing so. If this were a landscape it would be another story. Jujutaculartalk15:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
That depends on your interest. If one's only interested in the design of the main façade, than indeed the other one is better. If interested in how the building sits in its urban setting than this one has clearly higher EV. --
Elekhh (
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08:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'd go for the one indicated by JJ. The image is used in the article regarding the church, so a view of the church should be paramount. A good view of the facade with a wider field of view would be even better, but don't think we have one.
Crisco 1492 (
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08:42, 11 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak Support alt only the first shows the bridge, and doesn't expand the EV further. I remember to nominate
File:Moscow - Cathedral of Christ the Saviour.jpg before, but it failed. I agree that this is much better, but it is a little bit too dark; for example I can badly see the images on the round archs, as there is shadow on the top of them. Even the lightning on the first image is better. Also I think it is a little bit crooked, but I am not sure. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
GreatOrangePumpkin (
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contribs) 13 September 2011
Support Either, but I prefer the original. The alt leads me to think that the bridge is a road, which is quite misleading pictorially. Just MHO. SMasters (
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08:32, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. Don't really understand the question on EV; looks to be quite strong to me. Image quality seems fine despite slightly ambitious downsampling. Was concerned on the licensing (many of these agencies copyright their images) but source checked out. My only quibble is that, for better framing, the child should be a little more to left of frame. --
jjron (
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13:45, 11 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. Good artistically and technically. There is value- this could be written, but it's much more striking from a picture, and seeing as we have an umambigously free picture, it should certainly be used. This is something that will make people stop and stare.
J Milburn (
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10:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, it's called "slum voyeurism". We get to pop in and get a peek at the wretched poor from the comfort of our cushy lives. Lucky for us such photos (and movies) don't also transmit some of the local smells.
JBarta (
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21:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
It has been there for three weeks and only yesterday removed without explanation. I placed it back again. Also opened a discussion on the article's talk page regarding the EV of the image in the article, and invited input from the contributors. --
Elekhh (
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03:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I don't think is any need for that at this stage unless some real controversy emerges. There are six more days for debate here. --
Elekhh (
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11:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I would definitely crop a bit from the left to center the bird. Something like 2300px total width looked fine on my PC. And I suggest doing it now as FPs are so hard to edit after they are promoted.
Materialscientist (
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10:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support Very nice. I would also agree with a slightly tighter crop, given that the habitat in the background is not in focus anyway. --
Elekhh (
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00:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose The turkey's right leg borders have visible CA/jpg compression. Also its feathers in the back look like they were copy and pasted from another image (see the borders).--
Someone3512:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Do you believe the photo was doctored? It seems fairly clear that the border you are referring to is between the wing's edge and the body. Naturally, there will be a discontinuity in the coloration.
Fallingmasonry (
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21:13, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
And all these pictures of birds are? Personally I find them a little boring. It seems to me the real objection to this image is what the image portrays... an overhead shot of an air force base. I can't imagine how such a shot could be made glamorous, or stunning, or whatever. But for what it is... it seems to be a fine image. Another thing to consider... "stunning" images of flowers and birds and landmarks are littered all over this place. How many are around that show such an installation from the air and in such fine detail?
JBarta (
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16:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose I've been on this base numerous times and I live about 10 miles from it; believe me, it shows the base exactly as it is. Is it an ugly photo, or a photo of an ugly place? For me, it's the latter. Edwards is in a dry. ugly part of the desert and barely anything but yucca trees and creosote brush grow here. It's not a stunning area at all, and for me the photo captures the ugliness and lack of stunningness just fine. Having knowledge of the base, I can identify the compass rose painted on the lakebed, the main base and Dryden Research Center, and a few other things, but it's missing the auxiliary base, the painted runways on the lakebed are unclear or not included, the compass is faint, and we can't see any of
Edwards, California. which is as much part of the base as anything else. Matthewedwards :
Chat 19:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Actually, if you read Wikipedia's
featured picture criteria, you will find no mention of the words "stunning" or "ugly". In fact, the reasons given for opposing this image (largely subjective aesthetics) are not even mentioned in the criteria, except to say that "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing." And, if you read the rest of the criteria, it's hard to make the case that this image doesn't qualify nicely on most points. Just sayin...
JBarta (
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19:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Actually I have read the criteria. I was responding to others saying it was ugly and not stunning. I think it captures the ugliness and not-stunningness of the area. The Antelope Valley is what it is. That is not my issue with the photo. The image isn't up to standards in other ways
It is missing major parts of the base, including Edwards community, the auxiliary airbase and the runways on Rogers lake. Not to mention completely leaving off Rosamond Lake. It appears to be tilted, either the runway should have been parallel with the edge of the image or it should have been rotated to the left by a large amount so the runway and the strip by the hangers and bases were in the centre of the picture.
In your nomination statement you make a point of saying that many buildings and aircraft are visible, but there's no detail to them. Most people would be hard pressed to identify the planes.
The image is outdated. In 2008 a runway was installed to the left of the large one. Unless being presented as an historic photograph, which would be odd since its from 2007, it is misrepresentative and has lost its encyclopedic value as showing the base as it is today. Matthewedwards :
Chat 23:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Spotted Pardalote (Pardalotus punctatus) female with nesting material, Risdon Brook Park, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
This shot (and the one below) make a nice matching pair. These two were busy padding out their nest (a hole in an embankment) next to a relatively busy footpath.
That's hardly a diplomatic way of expressing your opinion Someone35, but yes, I see the CA as well. It's on the branch directly above the bird's head. Also some very small degree of it on other branches. Not significant enough, in my view to get a an oppose from me.--
Nanoman657 (
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17:31, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Spotted Pardalote (Pardalotus punctatus) male with nesting material, Risdon Brook Park, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
This shot (and the one above) make a nice matching pair. These two were busy padding out their nest (a hole in an embankment) next to a relatively busy footpath.
The image is of a high technical quality and in a style reflective of things common to the genre (
hentai). It has high EV and is used as the lead in the hentai article. Although it could never be used on the MP, the
criteria do not preclude sexually explicit images. High quality hentai images that are free are few and far between, and this is one of the best images we have illustrating the genre. I am also including a version without the halo.
Oppose this is a bad example of the topic, and a rather unremarkable cartoon in terms of technique and positioning - if we are going to FP erotic art, it better be at least mildly arousing. I suggest however that the above be ignored as an "oppose" - erotic art and even entertainment is an educational topic and recognized as such by the most prestigious educational institutions. The other arguments on "family and work-safe" is in my view, contrary to the spirit of
WP:NOTCENSORED - we do not shy from educational topics because they might offend you.--
Cerejota (
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08:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes this is a better illustration of the topic than the previous, but not FP material. Look at the works of
List of hentai authors, and compare this work with theirs, and you will see what I mean. I know it will be hard to get license compatible hentai image of FP quality, but it is not impossible.--
Cerejota (
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22:00, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Basically per Cerejota. Although this is a very relevant pic in the context of hardcore hentai, embodying a number of familiar tropes of that genre, and it's not bad (decent composition and colouring), and it's high res, it is not particularly remarkable. The art isn't especially detailed (e.g. see the man's face or the background) and it doesn't "stand out" - I realise this is a subjective assessment.
Dcoetzee08:48, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
True enough that it is standard in the context of hardcore hentai; however, FPs are for Wikipedia's best work, meaning free images. None of the award winning hentais have licensed their images under a free license, so this could be the best Wikipedia has to offer on the subject.
Crisco 1492 (
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10:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment I've linked to the images rather than put the thumbnails here. This page is most probably viewed in locations where such an image isn't appropriate (work for example). This is only because people go to FPC expecting it to be work safe, not that we shouldn't consider the image.
JJ Harrison (
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09:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose, per Cerejota's reasoning. This is a subject which, though it may make a lot of people queasy, I am not opposed to featuring per se. We just need something special- preferably by a notable, or at least noted, artist.
J Milburn (
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12:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
A piece which has previously been published (as opposed to self-published), and is by a notable artist, would be a good start. Yes, this not an old style, so we don't have droves of public domain pictures, but, for comparison, we have sound files that have been released under free licenses by notable musical groups. For instance, our article on
folk metal currently features
a song by
Balkandji.
J Milburn (
talk)
16:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I could make a request at WikiProject Japan (I don't speak Japanese so I'd have a few issues), but I am batting 0.000 when requesting OTRS permission.
Crisco 1492 (
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23:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Notable published artist, maybe, this artist no. Also, it goes without saying I will strongly oppose this if it has ANY chance of being on the homepage regardless of notability. — raekyt15:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support - extremely high resolution, suitable image for the article, adequately illustrates subject. Disagree that it is particularly obscene or poor in artistic quality.
82.27.132.19 (
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18:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Hey there- while your thoughts are most certainly welcome, please note that, as per the instructions above, "anonymous votes are generally disregarded". If you have an account, perhaps you'd like to log in?
J Milburn (
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18:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Aargh my eyes, my eyes! Only kidding. I do not oppose on the explicit subject matter per se, but as others have said, if we were to feature this, then it should be from a notable artist or other historical depictions of note. This is just a generic image from thousands of such illustrations. Nothing special here. SMasters (
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08:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
In Japan they'd probably be marketed as 16-17; in the US 18. It's common practice when localizing hentai. As this is not a commercial work, it wouldn't quite apply here.
Crisco 1492 (
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03:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Enzifer, of
Urgehal, displaying typical black metal apparel while performing in Belgium, August 2011. Typical of the genre is
corpse paint, fake or real blood, leather clothing featuring spikes, and anti-Christian imagery, including
inverted crosses and
pentagrams.
Reason
Something a bit different. Striking? Yes. High quality? Yes. EV? Yes- understanding the imagery of black metal is far easier with a picture like this.
Comment: If anyone's interested, especially if you don't know black metal,
this (NSFW) is what Urgehal sounds like. Enzifer can be seen on the left, wearing pretty much the same stuff. That's a fairly typical black metal sound- not to everyone's taste.
J Milburn (
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00:26, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Cirrus (curl of hair) floccus (flaked or puffy) with
virga
Reason
It is one of the most stunning cloud images I have ever seen, and it greatly enhances the
Cirrus floccus page, showing how precipitation can often fall from these clouds, and then begin to evaporate before reaching the ground.
I'm a meteorology major a semester away from receiving my degree, and have taken numerous classes, including cloud physics. The label for the picture by the author was cirrus floccus with virga, and while I wouldn't be able to be 100% sure that's what they are without being there to observe them, they fit the general appearance.
Inks.LWC (
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22:09, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- Yes, the 'species id' is probably correct but that is not enough for reaching the statuts of FP. Even if image quality were good (which is not) it would still miss some magic touch.
Alvesgaspar (
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00:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. I'm inclined to agree that the quality isn't really up to scratch (there's too much noise) but I do feel that it has the "magic touch" of which Alvesgaspar speaks. Cloud varieties would make wonderful FPs.
J Milburn (
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10:33, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - The
Doom Bar at high water, with waves breaking across the shoal
Reason
The uncropped image A high quality image which shows waves breaking over the
Doom Bar at the mouth of the
River Camel in
Cornwall. The Doom Bar is a sandbank, the shape of which can be seen under the water, on the near of the picture (the far side is
Daymer Bay). It has been cropped slightly to increase encyclopedic value. This my first ever featured pic nomination, so sorry if I've got anything wrong!
Oppose I'm afraid. It doesn't have that zing of sharpness that makes a great landscape. If you have a look at some of the FPs of landscapes (e.g.
[8],
[9],
[10]) they are super crisp and make you go wow. I'm not sure what's happened on this one, whether it's just the equipment or JPG compression or whatnot but at full resolution it is very blurry and unclear. I'm not a fan of the colour change from the original either - you can tell it's been tweaked.
Polequant (
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13:31, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak support: Not as stunning as some of the other FPs, but sufficient EV for the article itself. I would prefer something taken from a higher angle, to better show the bar.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
13:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the advice. I've got the image on the camera still, and the quality appears much better on the screen, so I'm wondering if there was some problem with compression during the import. I'll have a look and see if there's anything I can do to improve it.
WormTT· (
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12:43, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
It's definitely overcompressed (it wouldn't have come off your camera at 1,000KB unless something very strange is going on), but I doubt that would explain such low quality. What's the camera? --
jjron (
talk)
15:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The 1000KB one was after Crisco gave me a hand with cropping - it came off at about 4Mb originally - as can be seen in the uncropped version. The camera is a Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ10, and I've just been taking the image directly off using a Mac using iPhoto. I'm wondering if I use the "official software" written for windows it might work better - can then do the cropping (as the field at the bottom doesn't add much EV)
WormTT· (
talk)
16:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
He's right; my connection has this weird habit of downloading size reduced files (when I downloaded the original, it came in at less than a megabyte)
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
23:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Now that's weird. Is that a work or school or uni connection or something? Worm, the method of getting it off your camera shouldn't really matter. I don't imagine iPhoto automatically does anything odd to them (never used it), but personally I usually just browse the camera directly and download as straight files, then edit them in an image app of my choice. To be honest I'd say the camera's probably not really up to this (the IQ of the original image isn't much better than the edited version), but you may like to check your camera settings to try to maximise quality. JJ's suggestion of stitching a pano may help, but with this quality I can't see it getting it to FP quality. Keep experimenting though. --
jjron (
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11:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Sendan Kendatsuba, one of the five scrolls in the 12th century Extermination of Evil
Reason
It is a high quality digitization of a national treasure of Japan. It is from the holding museums's website, so it should be guaranteed to be accurate. Image is from the 12th century, so any creases would be understandable. One of five high quality images.
Support: All good resolution and EV and the quality of the digitisation appears to be the same. Assuming the four here pass, we can arrange to feature them as a set by discussion on the talk page, if wanted.
Julia\
talk12:33, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Shoki, one of the five scrolls in the 12th century Extermination of Evil
Reason
It is a high quality digitization of a national treasure of Japan. It is from the holding museums's website, so it should be guaranteed to be accurate. Image is from the 12th century, so any creases would be understandable. One of five high quality images.
Support: All good resolution and EV and the quality of the digitisation appears to be the same. Assuming the four here pass, we can arrange to feature them as a set by discussion on the talk page, if wanted.
Julia\
talk12:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Shinchu, one of the five scrolls in the 12th century Extermination of Evil
Reason
It is a high quality digitization of a national treasure of Japan. It is from the holding museums's website, so it should be guaranteed to be accurate. Image is from the 12th century, so any creases would be understandable. One of five high quality images.
Support: All good resolution and EV and the quality of the digitisation appears to be the same. Assuming the four here pass, we can arrange to feature them as a set by discussion on the talk page, if wanted.
Julia\
talk12:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Vaisravana (Bishamonten), one of the five scrolls in the 12th century Extermination of Evil
Reason
It is a high quality digitization of a national treasure of Japan. It is from the holding museums's website, so it should be guaranteed to be accurate. Image is from the 12th century, so any creases would be understandable. One of five high quality images.
Support: All good resolution and EV and the quality of the digitisation appears to be the same. Assuming the four here pass, we can arrange to feature them as a set by discussion on the talk page, if wanted.
Julia\
talk12:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Both Not FP standard, quality is low, second image has incredibly distracting backgroung, could be shot better and with better lighting.
JFitch(talk)08:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose both. The flower just isn't quite up to scratch generally, and, while the bud picture is a rather lovely one, it's EV is lacking. I'd imagine there is much to be said about the symbolism of the bud- as someone who cares about both flowers and Indian religion, I'm sad to see that the article's not in better shape.
J Milburn (
talk)
23:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: I don't really get what this has got to do with parkour. There's not a wall in sight. This guy could just as easily be an acrobat, or jumping from a trampoline.
J Milburn (
talk)
10:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Low EV - tells me almost nothing about parkour, per Milburn's comments. Easily the lowest EV image in the article and was only just added by the nominator; it's a schemozzle, it doesn't even have an image caption, and probably should come out. Regardless of that, it also has poor image quality due to overly aggressive jpeg downsampling. There is heavy jpeg artifacting, particularly noticeable on his pants, but also quite apparent in the sky. Sorry for being rather harsh, but besides being far from an FP, this is poor Wikipedia practice. --
jjron (
talk)
15:08, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment this is more
freerunning (parkour is efficiency based, backflips are freerunning or gymnastics), and has been deleted from the
parkour article.
Unfortunate oppose. The pose, angle and background are great, but. Poor centering (too tight on the left) and yes, unclear topic - there are literally several dozens of possibilities for this jump (where, from where and to where) which we can't tell from the picture.
Materialscientist (
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10:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Noisy and unsharp, just doesn't compare with our other fruit and vegie FPs. Poor article usage. The caption just says "Onion" (come on) and went into the article literally one minute before this nomination! As with the parkour one, it probably should be reverted out of the article. --
jjron (
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15:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It should have been an easy shot, aiming to show us the whole onion, with its roots (preferably slightly grown, and sharp :), in homogeneous lighting, with minimum reflections. Lighting is just too bad.
Materialscientist (
talk)
10:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Quality doesn't seem high enough to be in line with other FP's, in thumbnail it's nice but not full res. Also streetlighting is very distracting.
JFitch(talk)19:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose due to noise and blown lighting. Half of the articles listed above probably shouldn't include it, and in Si-o-se Pol it is in a gallery; no EV.
Crisco 1492 (
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11:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Distracting background and horrible light reflections. Overall lighting isn't ideal either. If what above commenter has stated is true also it certainly doesn't seem appropriate.
JFitch(talk)23:10, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Per jjron I don't think not being pink is an argument. However I think the lighting isn't so good (backlit), and the shadow/highlight compensation isn't working so well. Also, the focus is on the body rather than the head/beak.
JJ Harrison (
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11:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Original - Indian Palm Squirrel pictured in Bangalore, India
Reason
We already have an FP of this animal but that one shows a camouflaged squirrel feeding. This one is much easier to spot with a an aesthetic background.
Funambulus palmarum doesn't occur in Thailand, and neither does any other Funambulus. You might have a Lariscus or Menetes, both of which look somewhat like Funambulus. We don't have any pictures of either squirrel yet, so I'd encourage you to upload your pictures.
Ucucha (
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21:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support: Fantastic resolution, cute critter (good for the MP), and encyclopedic. A little concerned about the tail fur, which reaches the edge of the frame, but it isn't a big enough deal for me to oppose.
Crisco 1492 (
talk)
14:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. I considered a weak support because I don't think the usages are perfect, but the fact this is from India (underrepresented) tips the balance into a full support. The quality is good, the EV is reasonable, the crop does not concern me.
J Milburn (
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22:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)reply
This photo never fails to amaze me everytime I look at it. For a photo which is now nearly 40 years old, the quality is absolutely AMAZING! It has often been said that it looks like a computer generated image, but low and behold, it is absolutely real, and is quite probably the most amazing photo of this vintage Soviet aircraft that I have seen
Support - Not much more to add to this discussion. High resolution, plane is centered. A blown highlight on the nose, but I don't think it's that bad.
Crisco 1492 (
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01:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Tail is clipped, background is too busy, distracting and unappealing with that ugly dome thing, as well as that poorly placed light-post looking like a giant aerial in thumb. --
jjron (
talk)
13:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Cropped tail, poor lighting and too many distracting details - for example, the numerous marks on the plain body and on the ground in front. Maybe this all (except for tail) can be tweaked by editing, but I would rather reshoot.
Materialscientist (
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10:31, 24 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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[[|thumb|right|260px|Original - Self-portrait of a female Celebes crested macaque (Macaca nigra) in North Sulawesi, Indonesia, who had picked up photographer David Slater's camera and photographed herself with it.]]
Reason
High technical quality, public domain (because a monkey cannot hold a copyright), verifiable (if the Daily Mail counts), and a very unique and interesting image: a self-portrait by a macaque, a type of old-world monkey, who picked up a photographer's camera. Also kinda cute.
Oppose, as I'm not convinced of the EV. If we had an article about animal self-portraits or something, then maybe, but this doesn't necessarily tell us much about the species.
J Milburn (
talk)
10:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Copyright issue aside, the image is much too small. Let it be noted that "A Monkey" is a very nice change to see in the creator field, and I would like to see more artworks by animals.
Crisco 1492 (
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15:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Strong support. The fact (if not a hoax) that an animal could create such a sharp (and yes, cute) image is astonishing. Surely it tells a lot about these critically endangered species - that they can photograph :-).
Materialscientist (
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10:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose Has the potential to be extremely good, but has suffered a lot from the HDR processing. It would be interesting to see a non-HDR (or less HDR) version at a higher resolution. - ZephyrisTalk18:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 29 Sep 2011 at 23:42:53 (UTC)
Original - The rare and recently discovered Brazilian rice rat DrymoreomysAlt - another view, partially obscured by a tree.
Reason
This and
File:Drymoreomys albimaculatus 001.jpg (here proposed as an alternative) are the only published pictures of a live Drymoreomys, as far as I am aware. Drymoreomys is a rare
rice rat from southern Brazil that was only described this year; its Wikipedia article is an FA. While this image may not be technically perfect, its encyclopedic value is huge. And it's a very beautiful mouse.
Support original. As far as I am concerned, the charisma of the picture, rarity of the species and obvious encyclopedic value, in that it adds greatly to a featured article, serve to outweigh the technical problems.
J Milburn (
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23:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Hi there. While your comments are certainly welcome, "anonymous votes are generally disregarded", as is noted above. Perhaps you could create an account, or log in if you already have one?
J Milburn (
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08:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support original. Only downside is the strong flash, everything else is very nice. Shrubbery adds to the value I think. All important parts of the mouse are visible.
Ðiliff«»(Talk)06:45, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Weak support: I'd fully support a crop, but with the rat in the top corner the focus isn't quite what I'd want it to be.
Crisco 1492 (
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09:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Modified 15:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC) reply
Support the original, but with a slight crop of the right part as it adds too much distraction (yes, we need to show the habitat, but not that much of it). For the same reason (distracting details) I do oppose the second image.
Materialscientist (
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10:28, 24 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Done Down-sampled to minimum size for FPC. Please re-evaluate comment.--
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