The incandescent metal embers of the spark used to light this
bunsen burner emit light ranging in color from white to orange to red. This change corelates with their temperature as they cool in the air.
This image appears in the article
Incandescence. I took the picture, and chose to nominate it for the following reasons. First the illumination for the image is provided in part by incandescence itself: the sparks are visible because of the incandescence of the metal embers composing them. Moreover, the exposure time is long enough to show some very dynamic behaviors such as 1) the sequential fragmentation of larger embers into smaller ones, 2) the cooling of the embers as manifest in their color shift from white to orange to red (see
blackbody), 3) small embers being whisked upward by the flame's convection, while heavier ones fall, and 4) that neato little ember that bounces off the bunsen burner top.
Comment Are you sure the blue is carbon incandescence? AFAIK that is yellow, not blue, and it is seen when you lessen the air flow to the flame. Black-body radiation starts in the red region of the spectrum. So, the blue is something else. As the article
Flame states: Complete combustion of gas has a dim blue color due to the emission of single wavelength radiations from various electron transitions in the excited molecules formed in the flame. If you agree, please correct the text in the incandescence article, too. --
Janke |
Talk09:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the correction! Have revised the text both here and there. This actually reminds me that the photo would be a decent image for the
Flame article too because the sparks portray the concept of an activation energy needed to initiate a flame.
Debivort
Same picture, new caption: The sparks generated by striking steel against a flint provide the activation energy to initiate combustion in this bunsen burner. The blue flame will sustain itself after the sparks are extinguished because the continued combustion of the flame is now energetically favorable.
Oppose. Pretty pic, but I think the other image in the
Incandescence article does a better job at illustrating the concept of glowing due to heat, which probably is the reason it is already featured. --
Dschwen16:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Using the same image in multiple articles is no problem whatsoever, infact it should be encouraged if the image can illustrate multiple articles. I'll leave it to others who know about this area to add it, but if you feel it illustrated the above mentioned articles by all means add it.
Raven4x4x01:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, in contrast to the above reason, I think it is an excellent illustration of the concept. This photo was perfectly timed to receive this phenomena, an exceptional photograph. --
Natalinasmpf16:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
No, the incandescence can only be seen in the tiny overexposed sparklets. There is no perfect timing involved, just opening up the shutter and blowing some iron filings into the flame. The relation between temperature and color does not become clear in the picture and the flame having such a prominent role in the frame could lead to misunderstanding the whole concept. --
Dschwen11:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I am sympathetic to Dschwen's concerns, and think that one way to adress them is to also include the image in the
Activation Energy article, which currently has no illustrations, and is more directly related, given that steel embers provide the activation energy for lighting the burner. Here is the caption I provided there (The sparks generated by striking steel against a flint provide the activation energy to initiate combustion in this bunsen burner. The blue flame will sustain after the sparks are extinguished because the continued combustion of the flame is now energetically favorable). I am open to the possibility of switching the article affiliation of this FPC to activation energy, assuming this doesn't violate any FPC taboos. Cheers
Debivort05:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The surroundings of Rocket Man are a bit overexposed. Also, wouldn't a shot where he is actually flying (as I suppose he can) be more spectacular/descriptive?
Phils12:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
My thoughts exactly, and I raised this with Fir0002 once before. While I don't think anyone is downplaying his photograpic contributions, perhaps he should be more discerning with the images he chooses to submit for FPC, as the vast majority that have been submitted recently have been vehemently opposed as being relatively mediocre or flawed by the majority here. If that comes across as blunt, I apologise. :) I just think that the number of 'junk' images here need to be lowered. Difficult to judge, I know, but someone who has been participating here for a while has a pretty good idea of what is considered FPC material and what is flawed. Fir0002, this is a reasonably good photo in isolation but I personally don't believe it is of sufficiently high standard for me to support it. Just give us your exceptional shots, not everything you can possible contribute to an article, please! ;)
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)19:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Well see to me this is a very nice photo. I'm not making a personal attack or comparison, but I think it is much better than say the already featured "posing starlet" photo. To have gotten a nice closeup of Dan Schlund (the rocket man) who if you read the article is the only one in the world actually flying the rocket belt, is pretty hard to do. So for these reasons I don't feel this is "mediocre" but of course you are free to disagree. And I would appreciate not being referred to in the third person if you don't mind. --
Fir000220:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I did read the article. As I said, I do think its a good photo and contributes to the article since there was no previous photo, but that doesn't automatically qualify it for FPC. It still has to have good composition, exposure, etc. As for refering to you in the third person, I started off the comment responding to Dschwen and then added a comment to you by starting the sentence with "Fir002, ...". I don't see how refering to you by name in a comment not directed to you is inappropriate.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)21:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose : Disturbing foreground (truck and flag). Too bad the picture wasn't taken sideways, so we can better see what he has on his back
Glaurung07:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
This image is currently featured at
Portal:Tropical Cyclones and has an interesting history of its own as it has often been cited as being from hurricanes other than Floyd as noted in
Floyd's article. The image is from the
NOAA.
Oppose - sorry, but I don't see what distinguishes this photo from the many other hurricane photos there are. In addition, we already have a few hurricane/cyclone photos that are, IMO, more stunning than this one. Thanks!
Flcelloguy (
A note?)
21:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I don't think FP hurricanes are yet at the nebula level of saturation. The scale provided by Florida makes this special for me.
Mark112:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support - I don't think you'll find a more illustrative image of this camera. It makes a good photo out of a less than thrilling subject :)
Raven4x4x10:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Fir0002, perhaps you should be a little more discriminating in selecting pictures for FPC. I've just been noticing a few more opposes than usual for your images. (Of course, maybe you've just spoiled us rotten with your fabulous pics :P)
enochlau (
talk)
15:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment It's been said before: Choosing a FP doesn't depend on how hard it is to shoot/make. I've made lots of product shots, using studio flash lighting, umbrellas, reflectors etc., and semi-opaque acrylic with underneath lighting to get rid of shadows, etc - but I woudn't even think of submitting any of those for FP. There should be an element of "WOW!" in a FPC, if you ask me... like your 2nd "crepuscular rays", for instance - that one is a "Double-WOW!" --
Janke |
Talk09:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment There are higher res versions available.. I'll stick a 1600x1200 (or something near that) up once I get access to it again. The place my server is stored is having a power outage, unfortunately. If the power comes back on, there's even a version that's upwards of 3000 pixels wide.. but for the sake of logic and space, I'd say 1600 would be sufficient.
Drumguy880022:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment. You know, I noticed that cedar trees here on wikipedia looked completely different than the ones we call cedars here in north texas -- there's even a city called
Cedar Hill and hey have the juniper tree on their street signs. (At least I think, I've never seen a
Cedar anywhere in Texas...)
Drumguy880022:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment. Just kidding, it is known as a cedar, though it is unrelated.. it's known as the
Eastern Redcedar or
Eastern Juniper. I'll replace the juniper thing with eastern juniper.. just for clarification.
Caption: A shisa, or lion-headed dog. In Okinawan tradition these figures act in pairs to guard a home. This closed mouthed shisa is considered the more powerful of the two. It guards against mischievous spirits.
This shows the full body of a shisa against a contrasting background. Sidelighting reveals details of the musculature, mane, and tail. The shisa has a fierce and protective expression. The off center placement adds interest. Nothing in the background distracts from the photograph's primary subject. The supporting structure is made from concrete, the most popular building material in modern Okinawa, and shows an electric doorbell. This illustrates the figure's guardian role. The image uses a simple palette of red, white, and gray.
(Apologies for the broken heading link and no links on the caption - this is my first nomination).
This photo has not been published previously. Photographer:
Durova
Thank you very much. My motherboard actually failed while I was trying to fix this. Working from a borrowed computer today. Caption still needs improvement, but not sure I can atm.
Durova22:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I was asked to nominate this image by
cele4. I also think it's a wonderful image; clear, certainly large enough and very illustrative. It appears in the
Common Seal article and was taken by
cele4.
I'm sure that being cuddly is going to help this little bugger through the process. Do you by any chance have an image with it looking straight into the camera or one which shows him entirely from head to tail? -
Mgm|
(talk)14:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Promoted . I'm slightly unconfortable promoting an image I nominated, but as I nominated it on request from cele4 I think it's alright.
Raven4x4x04:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Crepuscular RaysCrepusucluar Ray Sunset - Compare with
Image:Crepuscular ray sunset from telstra tower.jpg, this version has been rotated and converted from the original Adobe RGB colors to SRGB and therefore has more saturation
Really quite lucky to have such a great sunset on our visit to the Telstra Tower. It was phenomenally windy though, so the exposure bracket (which is the second photo) was really hard to get.
Comment. I like the second pic, first one is too dark, although the rays themselves come out better. Which one is nominated? --
Dschwen22:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)reply
CommentSupport second I cannot believe it, I was just about to support the second pic, but it does not appear in a single article. The first one is one in many pics at the bottom of the Crepuscular Rays article, which makes me think it does not add significantly to that article. I really don't want to be the party pooper here, but I thought FPCs should fulfill other criteria besides being pretty. --
Dschwen16:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Suggestion: It'll take Fir just a minute or two to exchange the pic in all articles, by uploading version 2 over the original, so both can be considered FPC candidates! I prefer and support the second one. Nice to have some detail in the landscape. --
Janke |
Talk17:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose second, weak support first. Second is just yet another of tons of crepusucluar rays pictures. Its a pitty the tons of them are not yet on commons, but thats no reason for featured pic status. The first is much more interesting because of the spots of light on the ground. --
Wikimol11:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Executive veto style oppose - they add nothing to the articles (the second one isn't in an article) and the first has no caption. It can't be promoted.
BrokenS14:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Excuse me but the first one clearly has the caption "crepuscular ray sunset". And adding it to the article by removing on of the less spectacular non FP quality photos would take approx 10 seconds. --
Fir000210:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Sorry for taking so long to respond, yes I know the voting is over, I feel I ought to defend myself. By "no caption" I mean no useful caption. It adds no information. It's not a full sentence and introduces no more information about the subject.
Wikipedia:Caption isn't as clear as it should be. Also, since it is so small it can't really draw in the reader. I didn't want to slap the other picture in to the article without a caption. Pictures without captions belong at commons (there is a link to commons at the bottom). Pictures on wiki should provide extra information not just be pritty. Note: It is already an FP at commons, so voting submit to commons isn't possible. People aren't paying enough attention to the captions here at FPC.
BrokenS03:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Promoted Image:Crepuscular ray sunset from telstra tower edit.jpg. I added the image to the crepuscular rays article in the lead section (with a caption), replacing an image which I moved to the gallery.
Raven4x4x04:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The Three Sisters, a famous rock formation in the Blue Mountains, 2 hours west of Sydney, Australia
I took this panorama of the
Three Sisters in June 2005 on a cold, wintery, overcast afternoon shortly before sunset. It is a 2x6 segment panorama so the detail is much higher than could ordinarily be achieved with a single image. It is 3200x1780 resolution which is resampled and cropped from an original resolution of around 8000x4000. While I can understand that it is perhaps not an exceptionally spectacular photo, it is a significant tourist attraction and part of the fantastic scenery of the
Blue Mountains National Park.
Comment Could you tilt the pic a little to get the pillars vertical? The "
dutch angle" isn't so appropriate here. Pity you don't have the whole cannon in the shot - great timing, though! --
Janke |
Talk09:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment I rotated the image myself (4.7 degrees clockwise), but the amount of cropping that needs to be done really throws off the composition of the image. You lose everything below the white ad board, and it looks funny, so I didn't upload it. ~
MDD4696(
talk •
contribs)22:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
OK. The reason its at a bit of a funny angle is because I was quite startled at the noise of the explosion and must have lost my balance a little. Good thing I still pressed the shutter! --
Fir000208:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
comment. Maybe someone can get it where the background of the stadium is moved AND the cannon adn person so they line up better. I think that may make it look better.
schyler21:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I removed it from the Poppy article. A pic would have to be replaced in Remembrance Day. From the encyclopedic value I don't feel the move justified, maybe from the aesthetic value. Another pic I'd rather see at commons FPC. --
Dschwen17:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I dunno, it might make a good comparison to the photo of the UK poppies. Maybe replacing the dark and quite small image second from the top? --
Fir000208:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The annoying thing is, that you picture looks really good :-). But the second one on
Remembrance day shows the poppies in context on the crosses, which has a higher encyclopedic value IMHO, so I wouldn't go and just replace it. After all this is an encyclopedia and FPC is not my newest pretty pics but precisely what it states in the first paragraph on top of
WP:FPC. --
Dschwen09:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
In fairness, I believe the poppies are in a similar context in Fir's photo--a wall of remembrance, unless I misread the caption. The caption ought to clearly identify that fact (as it does my mistake, the caption doesn't, but the nomination does...the caption ought always to note the Wall of Remembrance, in my opinion), but I think the context is seeable even without caption help. While the photo is atmospheric, I can't help wishing the poppy in focus was one whose face was at the camera...the side/back view of the flower is distracting to me, and less effective. Not sure about my vote here.
Jwrosenzweig23:41, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral, looks like you found a good place for the pic, the
Remembrance article. While I'd prefer it to be the other way around (have the pic in an article and then considering it for FPC) it is arguably an eye catcher. Then again, looking at the article, it is one single scentence and a bible quote. --
Dschwen00:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose - doesn't really contribute to the article. In fact, it's not really an article - it's a dicdef with a quote. I'm going to AfD that article; perhaps another suitable article could be found for this good picture? Thanks!
Flcelloguy (
A note?)
21:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I think this image has at least some value in showing the poppy in the context of the wall. Furthermore, I believe the image has captured a suitable essence of tranquility well.
enochlau (
talk)
15:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral - It bothers me slightly that the poppy is fake.. not sure it would so much if it were a little more obvious that it was fake, though. (Not sure how you'd acomplish that, so, maybe not.) Also there appears to be part of a dandelion hanging off of one of the flowers.. and the in-focus poppy at the top is chopped off. Also, the depth of field appears to be tampered with.. it cuts off pretty quickly? (More like part of the image was blurred with a computer.) Because you have such excellent photos, I hesitate opposing, it is still a nice, crisp, clear image that does feel serene..
drumguy8800 -
speak?04:24, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
No that's natural bokeh, f/3.5 at 75mm can make some pleasing effects. Interesting comment though on it bothering you that it's fake but only because it isn't obvious! Thanks for your opinion though --
Fir000205:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Strong Support - Very striking photo. Dramatic, high quality and shows the remembrance poppy in context. -
Cuivienen 17:28, 24 December 2005 (UTC
Comment lighting looks a bit boring, just the flash on top of your camera, right? The second one looks more like an icon. Tint it blue and use it for
Azureus. --
Dschwen09:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment -- of the two I much prefer the non-cutout version. The background is admittedly bland, but preferable in my opinion to the disembodied feel of the cutout. I will say that I'm not sure how I would vote once the waiting period is up--I'm thinking it over.
Jwrosenzweig23:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is a cute guy that makes me smile but I've seen much more striking frog pics. I think last weeks' nominated frog had the edge on this one, but that wasn't quite FP standard for me either. ~
Veledan •
Talk18:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support original. I like it, actually. Yes, it appears flash-lit, but in comparison to another frog pic recently submitted, I don't feel like the blown out reflections are that bad in this pic. Image is very sharp.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)13:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
This image is another panorama - a 2 x 10 segment panorama that originally extended far further to the right, showing much more of the urban sprawl all the way to Hollywood. However, I've cropped this one to include just the
Los Angeles downtown area and Griffith Observatory on the top of the hill for contrast. This image demonstrates the effect of
air pollution as you can clearly see the thicker smog blanket that extends horizontally across the city at approximately the height of the skyscrapers. This is contrasted by the
Hollywood Hills in the foreground which are relatively untained by pollution compared to the background, showing the cumulative effect that air pollution has on visibility.
Answer, actually
Houston would be better, since it surpassed LA in air pollution a few years ago. But maybe I'm just saying that because I used to live in LA... ;-). But some insane datail in this image, just like the three sisters. While the crops make sense for the FPCs, can you make the full versions available too? --
Dschwen09:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thanks, I edited the caption of the fullsize pic and here on this page. The image extends only to Hollywood. Santa Monica is much further to the right. That is not even West Hollywood at the right of the frame. --
Dschwen19:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I would support a version that cut off the observatory and part of the hill (starting the photo right where the hill starts to go up again, say), so the hill doesn't overbalance the picture.
Zafiroblue0502:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I did think about cropping to show just the LA skyline and a little of the hill, but it loses a lot of context when you do that. I know that the image appears a little off balance with so much of the hills in the foreground and on the left, but I like to think that it shows the observatory looking down on the valley. What could possibly be done is to crop it more horizontally but that would increase the aspect ratio, and really thin panoramas are usually not as effective. I'll submit an edit soon, perhaps, but I suspect it won't have the same support. I could be wrong though.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)17:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose I suspect this photographer, (and/or other photos) can show the layers more distinctly and I agree that the hillside takes up too much of the photo. The detail of the
Coastal sage scrub is super high, however this nomination is based on polution, not shrubs.
Cafe Nervosa |
talk19:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The detail is reasonably high across the entire photo, not just the scrub. I challenge you to find a photo that does show the detail of pollution. Air pollution by nature is diffusive to light. ;) I completely accept your reasoning, though, that there is too much hillside, but I think compositionally it looks awkward if you crop most of it out..
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)21:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support Ugh! I can almost taste it! I'm not fussed about the hill. It's essential for contrast and context and if it is a little big, so be it. This photo is a great illustration of its theme. ~
Veledan •
Talk18:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I don't really care about the hill, I think it gives it a sense of perspective. It's good resolution, and the pollution... see Veledan's post. --
Charm Quark??17:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. It has good resolution and is quite representative of the LA smog (spent part of my childhood there) and the hill is no impediment.--
Dakota~ε08:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The Lillee Marsh Stand at the
WACA during Australia vs South AfricaA panorama of the Lillee Marsh stand where I had no idea. I took this today trying to show that the stands are supposed to be dark so people don't get hot and sun burnt.
Hamedog15:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)replyEdit
Stunning photo showing the high of the light tower, the cricket in action, Perth's weather and the attendance at the ground.
Currently appears in the
WACA article and taken by
hamedog
Next time, please don't erase your previous comment. Use the <s> tag to strike out your previous comment. It might have confused the bot, because somehow it got moved to the bottom of the page.
enochlau (
talk)
12:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I've made some edits to the photo. Ran it through auto contrast/level/colour in Photoshop and rotated it 0.5 degrees clockwise.
Enochlau13:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The stands are supposed to be dark - the members don't want to sit in the sun from as early as 8 am to 6pm. The only reason the sky is there is because I wanted to get the light in. I have another version with only the stand which I will link.
Hamedog22:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)replydifferent photo.
Oppose, the picture doesn't illustrate why this stand is different to the countless others around the world. It looks very unremarkable a thumbnail size.
Thryduulf11:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Former crewmembers of the
battleshipMissouri pose for photos shortly after the Anniversary of the End of World War II ceremony, held aboard the famous ship.
Last time I had a picture of a single vetern, this time I have a picture of a bunch of veterans! These are the former crewmebers of the
USS Missouri (BB-63), who served on the battleship from World War II all the way down to the 1991 Gulf War. The photo is a US Navy picture, and can be found on the USS Missouri page and on the
Veteran page. (It can be found on my user page too, but I get a felling that that does not count:-).
If anything it appears tilted so the right is slightly higher, however this might be an optical illusion due to the photographer not being square on to the line of seated people.
Thryduulf22:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The fact that nobody is looking at the camera is enough to rule this one out itself. That a vanishingly tiny percentage of the Earth's population can relate to this image is another. And yes, the horizon's tilted.
Denni☯02:33, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose Not sure why the tilting of the picture necessarily matters, but this image doesn't have any kind of spectacular value to it. Maybe knowing someone in the picture could pull at your heart strings somewhat, but otherwise its just another snapshot. Beyond that, there's nothing going on in the photo.
drumguy8800 -
speak?04:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Electricity arcs between the power rail and pickup shoe of a London Underground train. Sparks like this are quite normal and occurs when the electric power collection "shoes" of a train that is motoring (ie: drawing power) reach the end of a section of electric power rail.
This photograph by
SPSmiler is a striking image of the power of electricity, and of the dangers of
third rail electrification. It is used to illustrate the
Third Rail and
Electrical arc articles.
Oppose This is a common sight with trolley buses running on overhead lines, especially in the winter. I oppose this photo on the grounds that it is a common phenomenon and hardly awe-inspiring or breathtaking.
Denni☯02:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral sorry about the blurry train, but it was moving, and although I do not recall the exact aperture / shutter speed information I would have chosen the option for maximun depth of field, which would have resulted in a slower shutter speed. The image was captured using 35mm print film, which let me capture it when I choose - unlike digital cameras which have a slight time lag. The sky of course reflects the weather of the day. The image shows a London-bound train about to cross over an access track to Ealing Common depǒt (railway depǒts, sidings, etc., are never pretty) as it leaves Ealing Common station. Whilst everything about this view may seem common or ordinary (or even slightly boring!), in years to come - when civilisation and technology has moved on - it will be scenes such as this (which depict the real-life daily events of the present era) which historians will find the most interesting. As this is my image I will refrain from voting either for or against the nomination.
SPSmiler
Comment, I'm going to have to make a template for my rantings. Say again, which article does this pretty pic significantly contribute to? --
Dschwen08:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose As far as I can see, no articles use that image. A criteria is that it adds to an article. Besides, there's many beautiful flower pictures, which is not FP. See
Nightshade-article for one. --
Vidarlo20:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment, it is a fine image, but it is not linked in any article. It is a criteria that it adds significantly to the article. It is not a criteria that it is a beutiful image. --
Vidarlo12:52, 24 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment: First, I think this is wrong attitude. One should find a article the image adds to before proposing it as a FP. Second, I can't really think of any articles that'd be significantly improved by this image, at least until we get the species of the plant, and so. There is images of roses out there, better than this. Look in the
Rose article. See no need for more images. And those who are there, are better than this So no, don't link it. I'd say delete it. --
Vidarlo21:01, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Annapolis graduationAnnapolis graduation edited by Fir0002
Annapolis, Maryland. (May 27, 2005) - Newly commissioned officers celebrate their new positions by throwing their Midshipmen covers into the air as part of the U.S. Naval Academy class of 2005 graduation and commissioning ceremony. The “hat toss,” now a traditional ending to the ceremony, originated at the Naval Academy in 1912. The “hat toss” has since become a symbolic and visual end to the four-year program. Nine hundred-seventy six Midshipmen graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and became commissioned officers in the U.S. Military. President George W. Bush delivered the commencement address and personally greeted each graduate during the ceremony. The men and women of the graduating class were sworn into the Navy as Ensigns or into the Marine Corps as Second Lieutenants. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Daniel J. McLain (RELEASED)
Fir, I removed the 2nd thumbnail to save confusion. You added it yourself and it was a link to the same image... Now fixed... I've replaced the copy of the original with the version you uploaded just before and I guess meant to display! ~
Veledan •
Talk11:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The two images are the same resolution. The second is Fir's edit and I assume he has adjusted the levels a bit to make it brighter on screen. If the edit is promoted, you are right it'll be swapped but at the moment it looks like everyone is happy to support without specifying the version, so the original will likely be kept. ~
Veledan •
Talk18:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Promoted Image:AnnapolisGraduation.jpg. Kilo-Lima is correct; without anyone specifying their preference I promote the original version.
Raven4x4x05:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Saw this image when looking up peanut butter, thought that the lighting and composition was very nice. High resolution version retains sharpness and clarity. Image created by PiccoloNamek
Oppose, the out of focus rim of the jar it is in detracts from the photograph. Also it doesn't really make much sense without the caption.
Thryduulf16:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
( − ) Oppose Out of focus rims is distracting, and background could do with some work with the blur tool to remove the noise. --
Fir000205:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Sorry to say, but the lighting is pretty awful. Dropping the background is practically impossible, due to the fluffiness of the feathers. --
Janke |
Talk20:04, 25 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The photo is quite grainy, though it is clear. Might also need to be from a different angle.. but if it is cleaned up I might end up supporting it.. I also don't exactly know what article it (currently does or possibly could) adds significantly to.
drumguy8800 -
speak?07:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. In fullsize the image looks washed out and has strange speckles, not really sharp, lighting could be better (bacon is pretty dark) and the composition looks a little off-center. --
Dschwen07:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
( − ) Oppose Technically not the best, and I find it borderline on repulsive when considering what it would taste like. Sorry but truly I find that very far from appetizing. --
Fir000200:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose Pancakes look a bit dark, Butters melting, Scrambled eggs look a bit funky, and the syrup is sorta big, and one of the fruits looks like its rotting. Agree with Fir0002.
Cobra09:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Sorry to do this to you but Oppose - Focus is poor, hazy gray cast over everything, sky is totally blown and highly distracting with all that purple CA and the shot angle feels very awkward. --
Deglr632800:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral. Why does the water appears to be so flat? It's like you've over applied a remove noise filter and it removed the details is well. Also, there's quite a bit of purple fringing at the top of the picture and the shrub at the bottom is blocking too much of the waterfall. I would've supported it if you go a few steps closer or to the right to get that shrub out of the way. --antilivedT |
C00:11, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The picture in its full size actually isn't as bad as it is in the middle page (except the purple). It really doesn't look good in the middle size -- not mainpage material, and the un-resized image is just too huge. --
JPM00:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I'll go with oppose on this one for now. Resolution is far too low for a pano. Also I notice some stitching problems in the lower part. --
Dschwen13:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- This picture is really good, but it is really the sort of picture that really begs for higher resolution. There is so much in the image that I would like to be able to see more clearly. If a high-res version were nominated, I would have to support it. --
jackohare17:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Opppose - it seems to be sloping (look at the sea horizon) and needs 2.5 degrees of counterclockwise rotation. This might seem over fussy but I apply high standards to Featured Pics -
Adrian Pingstone22:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I withdraw this nomination in order to avoid unnecessarily prolonging the rejection. However, I continue to stand by the picture as being one of my favorites on Wiki.
Alr01:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I went driving, and got out to photograph a kookaburra. Then I noticed a family of wrens, and that one flew right up to me without noticing. I took a few photos, accidentally moved, and it flew off. --
liquidGhoul04:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support Although I would've liked to see a slightly larger margin above the subject, I think it's a fantastic shot. The image has great quality and detail. I also like the attitude; it looks to me like the bird is saying "Get outta my face, punk!" ~
MDD4696(
talk •
contribs)01:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Its natural habitat is incredibly dense weeds, which is impossible to get close enough to photograph. The barb wire illustrates the birds' ability to live near civilisation. --
liquidGhoul22:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Complete graphic version of the
Psychoactive drug article chartActual background image used in the artcle (wiki-links are overlaid on top)
This image appears in the
Psychoactive Drug article and was created by user
Thoric I nomintate because it beautifully illustrates the relationships between the confusing myriad of psychoactive drugs. Please see the main article for the wikified version.
Note this is a nomination for a diagram not a picture, please evaluate on the basis that it is a diagram not a picture.
TimL17:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Really, it is not a stunning picture. It adds something to the article, but is meaningless without the article. Thus strong oppose. --
Vidarlo20:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
That may be so, but do note that: "Your opinion will be given the most weight if you are logged in with an account that already existed when the nomination was made. Unregistered and new users are welcome to contribute to the discussion, but their recommendations may be discounted, especially if they seem to be made in bad faith (for example, if they misrepresent their reasons)"
The image relects original research which is prohibited. there is no source attached to the image and the creator regularly changes the groupings. Please compare original to current. Check out the
psychoactive talk page.--
24.55.228.5602:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment - Note: the nomination was for the image with the overlying wiki-links. The actual image is meant to be a clean and light diagram. It is also not subjective as the grouping is based on existing medical drug classifications. (As for the "meaningless" comment, according to the top of this article -- "the images featured on Wikipedia:Featured pictures should illustrate a Wikipedia article in such a way as to add significantly to that article. Pictures that are striking but do not illustrate an article can be submitted to Featured picture candidates on the Wikimedia commons.") --
Thoric22:26, 21 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I agree. This sort of nomination should be valid and the diagram does add significantly to the article. We just have to figure out how to handle it on FPC (if we can). --
Solipsist12:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
They are common knowledge. I've added some citations to the talk page, and will add more if requested.
I have asked the creator to cite one source that says SSRI's are depressants, stimulants, and anti-psychotics as depicted in his chart. He has been unable to do so. If there is no source, then this is clearly original research prohibited in wiki.--
65.87.105.223:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The picture is too small, it is impossible to read the names. Make it as big as it appears in the article and I won't oppose anymore
Glaurung07:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Ok I gave it a try: the full-size picture was perfect, but when resized (for example on this page) the text was ugly so I reverted to the original version. I now understand why such a low resolution was chosen, but if there is no way to read the text, it is not more informative than the version without text...
Glaurung07:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The low-res version is only for the purposes of a thumbnail view. I've now replaced it with a full size version that looks fine as a thumbnail (at the expense of file size). --
Thoric18:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support OK, now this is perfect. This is a very informative diagram. Congratulation for turning the dynamic diagram which is in the article in a readable (therfore also useful) static image. On a side note I'd add that diagrams and charts are so different from pictures in the criteria that make them remarkable that the process of featured diagrams and charts should be created in parallel from the process which already exists for the pictures. But this is another story.
Glaurung14:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment: I agree, the image alone is nothing spectacular, it is the organization it give the overlying wiki that makes it beautiful. If I could I would nominate the "whole shebang", but I can't.
TimL08:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment: I added an image to hopefully solve this problem. Please base your votes on the image containing the text labels. --
Thoric17:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I'm still against it. Yes, it adds to the article, but I can't see that this is really special in any way. It is not terribly creative, such things have been made before I'm sure. It's nor too striking, so I'm still holding my oppose stance. --
Vidarlo19:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I don't think it is more creative than
image:Chigaco_top_down_view.png, and I do see that it contributes to the article. I don't think either belongs to featured pictures. It ain't a extremely nice, such as others that has been presented, but I agree in that it adds a lot to the article. So, whilst I've moderated myself, I'm still against it. --
Vidarlo21:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Okay, I respect your decision.
Support: I really liked the diagram 'cause it just puts all kind of psychoactive drugs on only one diagram. And I can't figure out what is incomprehensible about this? --
Quinlan Vos20:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. This adds significantly to the article and is a pretty original contribution (please correct me if it is just a rip-off ;-) ). --
Dschwen07:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose It's a great diagram, very informative, and is perfect in the context of the article. But I can't imagine it as a FP (in thumb size, without working links) on the Main Page of Wikipedia... --
Janke |
Talk09:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support - My thinking is that this does appear to be a very good illustration to help explain the topic. I'm not comfortable with any of the compromises so far for featuring this on POTD, but that is a different problem. We could for example make an exception and not show it on POTD, we might be able to find a trick for redirecting HTML if you clicked on the image, or I could just spend half the POTD caption explaining that you go and read the article to see how it works. Either way, I would hope that featuring it, would encourage its translation over to several of the other language Wikis (
the Spanish are already halfway there) and get other editors to think "how can I make a diagram like this to illustrate my favourite article" — and that's what Featured Pictures should be about. --
Solipsist22:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
eek, the spanish page is using my tables-based chart which I created before I figured out how to use divs to overlay wikilinks on top of a graphic ;) --
Thoric22:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I created the original black and white graphic first (
image:Drug_Chart_version_1.0.png), and from that created the table-based version, using color mixing to make it make a little more sense. Once I figured out I could overlay wiki-links over a graphic using divs, I then made some adjustments to the original graphic to reflect the gradual changes to the table-based chart, added in the color, and so the current chart is the offspring of the two ;) --
Thoric15:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thoric suggests his diagram is a synthesis of books he has read. That's original research. His unique compilation cannot be found in any specific source.--
24.55.228.5618:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Sources for the information in the chart is cited in the
psychoactive drug article, and the actual graphic cannot be found published elsewhere since I drew the chart, which is allowed by Wikipedia's view on
original images which states, "Pictures have enjoyed a broad exception from the NOR policy. Wikipedia editors have always been encouraged to take photos or draw pictures and upload them". --
Thoric19:26, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thoric is ignoring the key parts of the NOR policy: "Pictures are generally used for illustration and do not propose unpublished ideas or arguments, the core reason behind the NOR policy." and "Images that constitute original research in any other way are not allowed, such as a diagram of a hydrogen atom showing extra particles in the nucleus as theorized by the uploader." The features in Thoric's diagram cannot be found in any source. I have repeatedly asked him to cite one source that says SSRI's are depressants, stimulants, and anti-psychotics as depicted in his chart. He has been unable to do so. According to the talk page, Thoric believes "the anti-psychotic part is controversial, mainly because there are a large number of doctors (esp. psychologists) who believe that anti-psychotics are poor medicine attempting to pharmacologically control disorders which have little to do with physical brain function, and all to do with psychological issues that can be fixed through therapy.e" The chart reflects this fringe POV.--
24.55.228.56 20:01, 26 Decsember 2005 (UTC)
24.55.228.56 is purposely selectively ignoring my responses. I already explained that the intersections in the chart can (and mostly do) represent areas that do not fall under the parent groupings as compared to items that are completely within the parent groupings. For example, many of the psychedelics are in the intersection between the stimulants and the hallucinogens, but those psychedelis are not classified as stimulants, and by many accounts not even classified as hallucinogens either. --
Thoric22:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
That is the whole point of the chart, too simplify something really complex. What would a better chart look like?
TimL22:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)reply
User Thoric posted a message on my talk page, so I am clarifying here. I think that images that are to be featured should be inviting (aka good looking). Diagrams and maps just don't do that (most of the time). That's why I am opposed. I have no problem with all these diagrams and I congratulate whoever put all the work into making it, but that doesn't mean that it deserves to be featured. --ʀ6ʍɑʏ8903:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support as per nom. perhaps the best lay-out of psychoactive drugs based on scientific classification that i've ever seen. it is not original research, but simply a very coherent chart outlining the actions/accepted classifications/relations of various drugs, fully supported by the literature. He made the chart from easily available and accepted classifications. --
Heahtalk00:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose Illustration is cluttered and difficult to read. A higher resolution version would help, but an SVG version would be even better. ~
MDD469602:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Request for help. I've been trying to decide what to do with this picture, and I really can't. It seems that the version with text has consensus, but the article version isn't this one. It does appear in the article, in a manner of speaking, so I'm not sure if it's valid or not. And what do I make of the original research allegations? My feeling is promote it, but I'm not quite that
bold. Please could someone help me decide what to do with it?
Raven4x4x04:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The original research allegations have been addressed in the
article and
talk page. The version with text is for the purpose of FP such that it can be seen as a thumbnail. The image page has a link to the proper article. --
Thoric16:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
(Copied from
User talk:Raven4x4x) My personal opinion is still oppose (and I'll clarify that on the nomination page). Regarding the nomination, here are the two choices: either fail it now (there are nearly as many oppose as supports, and not all opposes are to the version without links), or extend it for one or two more days. If you choose the latter, I would recommend contacting everyone who has voted or made a comment on the page and then just informing them that the debate has been extended for 24 or 48 hours, and that they may wish to check out the page again (I would abstain from any mention of the problems, as that may bias the notice.) If the vote outcome still stays approximately the same, the image should not be promoted - there's a considerable amount of opposition (10/9). Alternatively, as I said above, you could just close it as a not promoted because of the significant amount of opposition - a large influx of "support" votes would be required to make this image pass. Thanks!
Flcelloguy (
A note?)
16:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Yes, one of the trickiest nominations we've had for a while. Well on the one hand it is quite straight forward — there is quite a mix of supports and opposes (10:9) and comment, but there isn't clear concensus to support — so it fails. However, when determining concensus, one ideally takes into account the nature of supports and objections and it is quite clear that some of the oppose votes are misguided or haven't been retracted even when some of the issues appear to have been addressed. If all votes were carefully weighed and revised or discounted it might be possible to seive out a consensus for support, but that would be quite hard and somewhat controversial. I don't think extending the vote is going to help much in this case. So my suggestion would be to let it fail for the moment, regroup, then renominate it in a month's time — preferably with a more clear introduction explaining that it is an untypical illustration and that although it is being represented by thumbnail the nomination is actually about the diagram as used in the article. --
Solipsist17:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
After speaking with a few people, I've decided that Solipsist's suggestion is the best for now. Thanks to all those who helped in this decision.
Raven4x4x00:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Lorenz attractor. Given the canonical parameters of the system (kind of reference case, used in majority of articles about the system) and minimalistic projection, there aren't many degrees of freedom left to play with. I think here they are used well.
If the colour of the trajectory changes time to time it is easier to follow it. And, IMO, looks better. Othervise nothing. --
Wikimol00:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Alternatively, would you be able to draw it much bigger (4x maybe?) and downsample. Either way, it might look better if it weren't so pixelised.
enochlau (
talk)
06:47, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
1. By writing the antialiasing code - don't know if it counts is as yes or no :-)
2. That would be easier, but has its own problems. Now the original is 2048x2048 and looks reasonable when downscaled to anything between ~300 - ~1300. In smaller versions individual lines are hard to distinguish. If the original was 8kx8k, the lines will look nice and will be distinguishable at 4kx4k. When downscaled to 1kx1k, lightness of individual line would decrease 10 times, it will be hardly observable ang whole picture would be very dim. The way how to get around this would be to make the program draw thicker lines or play with the source image.
I'm not going to do either now. The question can be transformed to "what resolution is enough". If the original was 8kx8k, the pixelation would be at 8kx8k. IMO the picture is ok at 1k x 1k, and 1k x 1k is enough for current WP usage. I could have uploaded the version downscaled to 1k x 1k as the final product (or I can save it as alternative) - but I like it better to make availiable the "source" as well.
If improvement, I would go for conceptual one - exporting the trajectory to some vector format (the longer internal float represenation, the better :-). Pieces of trajectory between points can be saved as polynomial curves (derivates are ready availiable). Bitmap image would be than generated e.g. by some postscript renderer... with resolutions up to ~ precision of computation, e.g. 1 mega x 1 mega pixel :-) If lacking things to play with, I'll eventually try to create such "ultimate Lorenz picture" -but - sorry - not now. --
Wikimol11:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment I can't decide what to make of this nomination. I am unable to support because I haven't got a clue whether this diagram or whatever it is makes a significant contribution to an article or not. The words Lorenz attractor certainly occur in both articles linked above, but does this picture help explain the concept? Not to me it doesn't. The article
Lorenz attractor restricts itself to technical definitions apparently for those who are already familiar with all these concepts and doesn't communicate anything to the intelligent lay reader (not this one, anyway) — and that is the level an encyclopaedic article should aim at, in my opinion. What exactly is this illustrating? Having read
Chaos theory a couple of times I now understand what a phase diagram is and how it can be a fascinating way to spot a pattern in otherwise apparently uncoordinated patterns of behaviour / development but the bit about strange attractors still left me scratching the head. I wouldn't like to oppose a nomination just because I don't understand it, but even so if why this image is a significant contribution can't be explained in terms I find intelligible then I suspect the subject itself may be too esoteric ever to have a meaningful FP. ~
Veledan •
Talk15:34, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support - Regardless of the quality of the associated article, this image is very illustrative of the concept. As I understand it from my math undergrad days, this is the Lorenz attractor.
Debivort03:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Veledan, read the
attractor article first. If you understand the concept of attractor, it shouldn't be hard to understand main surprise of Lorenz attractor, and meaning of the picture. It's not esotheric at all, its simply kind of trajectory. Or more exactly "picture of the trajectory" - like if you would have a barrel of colour in your car and paint a line all the way you go. Now, this is line in phase space - you don't have to understand that concept to appreciate the picture. What you should understand is the trajectory is in fact in 3 dimmensional space, and the picture is projection to 2-dimmensional plane. Now, i you compare with trajectories of things like you, planes, pendulum... you should see the trajectory of Lorenz system is somehow very complex, yet simple ...strage.
I agree the article is not in the best possible shape - its not that hard topic after all - but I cannot agree every article has to communicate it's main points to every intelligent lay reader and be self-contained in this aspect. Articles can assume the reader understands (or is able to found using wikilinks) some basic concepts needed for the explanantion. For example, in article
telemark skiing it is reasonable to assume its reader has some idea what a ski or a ski binding is. In article about
Gauge theory it is reasonable to assume understanding of e.g.
Lagrangian. IMO in case of
Lorenz attractor one such reasonable assumptions is understanding of
attractor --
Wikimol11:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment This is difficult. Yes, it's the attractor, all right - I remember seeing a similar image in Scientific American, years ago. But the aliasing of this image prevents me from supporting - if you can get a version with good anti-aliasing, I'll reconsider. --
Janke |
Talk06:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
OK, where is that 1x1k image? The thumbnail gets me to a approx 600x600, and clicking that goes to the 2x2k. They all look badly pixelated in Firefox. --
Janke |
Talk16:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. Chaos never looked so good. — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-30 04:26
Oppose, looks only good as a thumbnail. Did anyone besides
Janke check out the fullsize? A pic like this should be done in SVG anyway, you'd get the antialiased lines for free. --
Dschwen08:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)reply
it can be done as SVG. New version.
Comment, I'm working on an SVG version of a lorenz attractor which will not look pixelated. This is a work in progress, colors can and will be changed (changing hue with time as well). --
Dschwen00:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Although I already commented on your talk page, I cannot let this
FUD stand here uncommented. MediaWiki converts it to png for viewing. Higher res and zoom in will be available for people with high res displays and modern browsers in the future. --
Dschwen09:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I don't see why its fud at all. I can't easily open the full resolution image in either IE or Firefox, therefore I won't support it. --
Deglr632816:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Firefox 1.5 natively supports SVG. And a vectorbased format is just a little more farsighted. Anyway my FUD comment was a bit snappy, please excuse me. Peace, out. --
Dschwen17:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment - while SVG is superior format for the image (wow, I discovered its so simple :-) its
2kx2k rendering by Wikimedia servers doesn't IMO look any better than the PNG image criticized for pixellation. Higher resoltuion SVG renderings look good only for those who are able to do it themselves. Images are interlinked so those who would use in some resolution-critical application can now easily find the SVG.
I believe both alternatives are illustrative and eye-catching as bitmap in resolutions commonly used on Wikipedia pages, so it won't hurt if both are featured. On the other hand IMO it would be a bit sad if both are rejected, one because of pixellation and not beeing SVG and the other for beeing SVG :-( According to
WP:FP there are only 2 feautered pictures in matemathics and 4 in physics, so I would like to recommned those voting oppose to reconsider if their technical criteria aren't too strict. --
Wikimol11:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Uh, you are right. Apparently MediaWiki only renders it for the size given in the SVG source (500x500 in this case) and calculates other size by scaling the bitmap. I guess thats a matter of computing power. --
Dschwen12:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Wolf howling on glacial erraticVersion 2, Sharpened the image a bit.
I uploaded this picture a few months ago when I was helping the
Gray Wolf during a peer review/fac nomination. I was looking through the pictures I've uploaded today, and figured that this has potential to be an Featured Picture. So I decided to nominate it here for the approval of the voters. --
ZeWrestlerTalk04:10, 25 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose - This photo *could* actually be recovered fairly well in photoshop.. just very skillfully. Don't worry about the rock being sharp.. because when you apply the sharpen filter to the entire image, you're just causing unnecessary damage to the entire thing. Just do a pixel-select on the wolf, sharpen it, then edit the contrast/levels to make the photo a little brighter and more attractive.. if I had photoshop on this machine I'd do one for you but unfortunately I do not. Good luck. Might change vote if the final edit looks better.
Comment You are incorrect about being able to recover the image in Photoshop. Using a sharpening filter does not add detail to the image; it enhances the detail already there. It is a powerful program, but it's not magical enough to defeat the laws of mathematics. All image processing programs use the equivalent of a "high pass filter" in
signal processing to sharpen images. That is, it actually removes "low frequency" (subtle gradient) image information so that "high frequency" (edge) information is more apparent. Anyways, in this particular case, sharpening any part of the image, even just the wolf, makes the JPEG artifacts in the sharpened areas significantly more noticeable. They're already there in the original, they're just very subtle. To remove those artifacts, even with a custom artifact removal filter, the image processing software must do some guesswork that results in some blurring... which defeats the purpose of editing the image in the first place! ~
MDD4696(
talk •
contribs)01:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment Of course, you could edit it all by hand (with the paintbrush or something), but then it becomes more of a digital painting rather than a cleaned up photograph. ~
MDD4696(
talk •
contribs)04:25, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment - I didn't say you could add detail, but it certainly could be adjusted to look a little better. Even if not a featured picture, the actual image deserves cleaning up for its use in the article. I'm sorry I used the word "recover," I do realize that implies retrieving data that no longer (/never did) exist. Some good folks at Stanford (I think) have though figured out a way to adjust the depth-of-field after the picture has been taken, though it requires a special camera. very interesting stuff.
drumguy8800 -
speak?05:02, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Not bad, but not FP quality. I agree with the comments above about it being blurry; the edited version has simply enhanced the artifacts, especially near the wolf. Also, too much rock for my liking.
enochlau (
talk)
06:42, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose, at first I thought the snowy rocks were the purpose of the picture... Wolf should definitely be focused in on.--ʀ6ʍɑʏ8917:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)reply
File:Hubble Ultra Deep Field.jpgHubble Ultra Deep FieldDiliff's edit - adjusted the black point for a darker background - view at 100% to compare, you can't really see the difference in thumbnails or preview
Few images are a grand achievement in and of themselves. This is the grandest of those few. Eleven days' exposure reveals thousands of galaxies in a pinprick of sky. It is the deepest image ever taken in visible light, and the light from the most distant galaxies shows our universe over 13 billion years ago.
This photo is interesting - it does not show something visually spectacular compared to other space photos, but it *does* show the oldest visible object that we can see. I think that warrants a support. --
vaeiou17:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose I'm afraid. I find this image not visually striking, shocking nor informative. Without the accompanying text it just looks like a collection of lights to me. Sorry. -
Mgm|
(talk)20:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support I think this image IS visually striking and highly informative WITH the accompanying text. If you actually open the image to full size it is obvious and immediately apparent that it is not a mere 'collection of lights' but is in fact full of galaxies each containing billions of stars, bright nearby stars and (likely) a few extremely distant quasars. Open the full image and look at it again, you are looking at an area of sky smaller than the area of your fingernail held at arms length. The image is not merely stunning, it is completely mindbending. --
Deglr632821:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support Even upon first sight this is obviously more than just lights or stars - it is human astronomy at its peak.
Support. Agree that it is visually striking when viewed full size, particularly when, as Deglr6328 mentioned, you consider what each of the 'lights' are. I have uploaded an edit which has an adjusted black point, meaning the background is now darker and closer to what I image deep space looks like, and as far as I can tell, there is no major loss of detail as a result. The original, when viewed at 100%, has a washed out dark grey haze in the background which I assume is the due to the CCD's long exposure, not the light from the actual scene. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to stand corrected but I think my image is more 'correct' and visually pleasing. Comments?
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)23:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support edit. I normally look askance at FP nominations where you need the text to understand why the pic is interesting, but this one is such an amazing pic that all other considerations go out the window! Nice noise reduction Diliff. I did download the max resolution (over 100MB) version of this pic from the source site with the intention of trying to do something about the background myself. On that version you can see that what was rendered as washed out gray in this smaller version was a noisy speckling of coloured pixels, mostly blue with some green and a little red. ~
Veledan •
Talk18:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support - A pity Hubble isn't going to be repaired. A pity that 3 billion dollar total cost of Hubble is too much to renew - while we lose 9 billion per month to war. But I don't suppose the FPC page is the right place to get all political.
Debivort20:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
360o panorama of the southwestern San Juans, photographed from the Gold Hill Ridge of the
Telluride Ski Resort. Ridgeline annotation indicates the names and elevations of 43 peaks.Metric-annotated version. Photo portion is now 800px high.
I think this image deserves FP status because it is a high-quality 360-degree panorama of a beautiful moutain range. It illustrates the great number of peaks in the
San Juan Mountains, and the vistas available in their heights. The annotation names these peaks and gives their elevations without interfering with the image itself. The stitching of the panorama is pretty seamless IMHO. It is 4812 x 800 px, downsampled from ~24,000 x ~4,000. I took the pictures, stiched in Photoshop, and annotated in Illustrator. The image appears in the
San Juan Mountains
Comment: Good work! One thing you really should do is to include mountain heights in meters, too - when that is done, I'll support! --
Janke |
Talk06:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Agree with Janke. I will probably support regardless as it is a very good quality panorama, but it is typically americentric to not consider that there are other more widely used units of measurement outside the confines of the US. I'll try to keep it brief to avoid a rant. ;) I guess for the metric system to be included in the panorama/diagram, the annotations would have to be redesigned somewhat, assuming the author can be bothered and/or still has the original illustrator file to work with. I'd like to see that, however, as feet doesn't mean much to me either.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)18:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Hello Diliff and Janke - I've made a metric version. Am working on uploading it now, but my wireless is down so I am relying on dial up. I've also increased the size of the actual photo so that the photo is now 800px high, rather than the whole thing being 800px high. Should be up at some point soon ....
Debivort03:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Great work, thanks Debivort. And the more photo resolution, the better! While we're talking, would you mind telling us what camera/lens/panorama stitching program you used to create it?
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)06:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
All right. Having conquered slow connections and several accidental CMYK uploads, here is the higher-res metric version. The 11 portrait images comprising it were taken with a Nikon Coolpix 5600 (my normal Canon 20D was too bulky to take up the moutain), and stitched by hand in PhotoShop with manual geometric and color correction.
Debivort20:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Strong Support, especially if a higher resolution/metric version is uploaded. Now this is the kind of encyclopedic image that impresses me. ~
MDD469607:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Speedy promote. One of the best. — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-29 01:03
Comment. There is a slighthly annoying 'white line' in the west part of the image, (go to Wilson Massif and look up), it looks like a meteor or something. Prehaps someone would be able to remove it? --
203.54.74.16704:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
My vote is "leave it alone". In this case, it doesn't really affect the scene, but I don't think its distracting or annoying either. We've been through this a few times recently and I think the consensus is that unless it detracts significantly, it should be left unedited as it would be a misrepresentation of reality.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)06:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Wholehearted support, now that there is metric info, too. Superbly encyclopedic! (Re. that contrail - removing it wouldn't be messing with reality, since sometimes you have them, sometimes not. Removing a mountain peak, well, that would be a "misrepresentation"... ;-) --
Janke |
Talk14:20, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support - This is an excellent addition to the wikipedia! This kind of information really makes the wikipedia stand out as a very high-quality work, in some places far better than other works like the Brittanica Encyclopedia.
drumguy8800 -
speak?19:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment This image is too big to be opened in my browser (Netscape 7.0); I'm sure I'm not the only one with this problem. I think it is important to remember that Wikipedia needs to be accessible to users with older, lower-end systems too. It is not all that long ago that this image would have been heavily criticised for its size. Could we perhaps have an image about a quarter the size of this one?
Denni☯21:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
An alternate version can be provided for less capable browsers, but Wikipedia is mainly about articles, not images. — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-30 04:23
Support Beautiful subject, well photographed, but the annotation makes it for me - WP should have a lot more informative pictures like this. --
Surgeonsmate06:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Great picture, very informative. Only complaint could be the border... is there a way to make that nicer? (smaller?)
grenグレン02:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The other image Finlay mentioned also shows part of the thing on its back. The only way I'm going to support another Plumed Basilisk is if it's shown in its entirety, not just its head. -
Mgm|
(talk)20:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)reply
comment Now, portrait such an animal is find interesting I one sees the individual sheds as well as perfectly the eye range sowas not therefore surely sees one on a complete body picture an interesting admission (translated with babel fish)
cele406:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment I am trying to find a better way for Cele4 to communicate with us... he only speaks German! Unfortunately it seems that
Babelfish doesn't do a very good job. ~
MDD469607:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose not used in any article and we just had a niced FP for Plumed Basilisk, which shows more of the critter and which I like slightly more than this and the linked pic. (fuer cele4, es wurde gerade ein etwas besseres Bild eines Stirnlappen Basilisken gefeatured. Das vorgeschlagene Bild wird auch keinem Artikel auf en.wp.org verwendet, und das ist Voraussetzung fuer ein FPC!) --
Dschwen16:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
The valley appears a little too dark to me, but it may be my monitor: I'm using a different one than I usually do. If others have no problems with darkness, then support - a stunning picture.
Zafiroblue0507:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose -a little too dark (even allowing for the sunset), strange colours (again , allowing for the sunset), not great focus. Sorry to seem so negative -
Adrian Pingstone08:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
What image are you looking at? ;) What do you mean a little too dark even allowing for the sunset? Sunsets almost always have bright skies and very dark foreground shadows due to the angle of the light. The scene is pretty well balanced under the circumstances, due to the use of the ND filter. It would look completely fake if the valley shadows were lifted up any more than they already do. Also, the focus is fine. It is actually a panorama of three 6 megapixel images taken with a Canon 10D and stitched vertically. With some overlap, that means around 12 megapixels. It just doesn't look at all blurry to me. Finally, the colours are reasonably natural - a warming filter was applied to the sky so the colours are slightly 'rose-tinted' so to speak, but aside from that, the colours look fine to me.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)23:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I'm looking at your Zion Angels image, of course! Yes, the focus is fine, I removed the focus comment on a previous edit so I can't understand why it's still there. I stand on my colour and darkness comments because I still see an unnatural look that is impossible to explain in words. Be assured my comments are genuine and considered. But what does all this matter , I see you have support from everyone else at my time of writing this :-)
Adrian Pingstone21:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, of course. I would prefer a version with a lower JPEG compression, as there are some visible artifacts, especially in the clouds and in the clouds/mountain transition (zoom in to see them clearly).--
Eloquence*02:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral I thought for a while on this one but couldn't decide either way. It's a good photo because of the difficulty of the capture (getting the nice exposure), but I agree with
Mark1, it's oversaturated and looks fake. I would upload an edit but with your response to my other edits I think I'll leave it up to you. --
Fir000207:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Are you responding to me? ;) I didn't submit this photo for FPC so I guess you should be talking to someone else. But I agree that it could do with some adjustment. I could go back to the original images but I'm not at my usual computer right now and that sort of thing is difficult right now.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)00:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I'd support it - It is slightly desaturated without losing the sunset colours that the original has. It seems to have come too late in the FPC process though.... thanks anyway.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)05:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Paprika is hanged to dry before grounding. The powder is then used as a spiceEdit #1Version 2.0, Photoshopped out the head, highlights reduced
This is my first nomination for a FP - I saw the pic in the
Paprika article and thought it's beautiful and adds significantly to the article - hence the nomination.
Neutral. Focus isn't quite as sharp as it could be, some of the reflections in the center bunch are a bit distracting, and the woman's head in the background is a minus. These are all minor issues, though. —
Cryptic(talk)18:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral - Uploaded an edit... not sure if I support it yet though. Still blurry. But, I adjusted the contrast and color levels to make it a little more appealing.
drumguy8800 -
speak?20:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Problems with focus, graininess and compression artefacts are serious and the subject matter is not sufficiently novel to overlook them.--
Deglr632801:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose not really stunning, the bunches are cut at the top and what is that thing in the top right corner? Plus I strongly oppose photo manipulation. Happy New Year. --
Dschwen21:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment I find the response to this photo, and in particular the edits quite interesting. When I removed a leaf from
Diliff's photo there was a huge outcry against it. But here, a persons head is being removed with actual encouragement and compliments (the response I would give), perhaps this discussion should be continued on the FPC talk page and a definite resolution be made --
Fir000207:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Idealised single-phase transformerIdealised single-phase
transformer showing path of
magnetic flux through the core.Idealised single-phase
transformer showing path of
magnetic flux through the core.
I created this and thought it might be worth a try here. Theajiii
diagram is currently illustrating
transformer and shows the
magnetic flux linkage in a stylised single-phase two-winding transformer.
Oppose, as per above. Neutral for the colored version, which is good indeed for the article, but not a striking enough graphic for a FP. Also, I think the secondary current should go outwards - looks a bit funny with the arrow pointing inwards... --
Janke |
Talk21:00, 31 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Conventionally, in a 'two-port network' as is shown here, current is defined as positive for flows into the device. But aesthetically, yes, it looks better pointing outwards (see pic #3), and this is also common for textbook descriptions of transformers. --
BillC11:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Third version
Image:Transformer3d col3.svg loaded on right, having coloured the core to steel-grey, reversed the arrow on the secondary current, and changed the flux and text to green. I'll let this be the final version I upload. --
BillC11:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I'll support this one. Thank you for your responsiveness. (The text is still slightly unclear here, but not when resized to 400px, as in the article.) —
Cryptic(talk)22:57, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment. Is the green line with arrow misleading as to the magnetic flux? The way it's drawn seems to suggest that there is a changing magnetic flux only in the metallic part, which is incorrect (it's everywhere). I know it's hard to illustrate it being everywhere, but one could be misled that flux is some kind of "stuff" that only "flows" along the transformer core.
enochlau (
talk)
11:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The diagram shows an idealised transformer, that is one with no core or copper losses, and one in which primary and secondary windings have perfect mutual coupling. There is an article (and diagram) at
leakage inductance, which illustrates the effect of imperfect coupling you refer to. --
BillC17:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
support diagrams (prefer 3rd version). It sounds odd, but it would be even better if you could provide a reference for the image
BrokenS03:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose it looks like they are just standing around, waiting for something to happen. It would have been better if the if they had been doing some demonstration or some kind of military formation. Also, the three heads detract.
Deep Impact Probe Collides with comet
Tempel 1 blasting ice and dust into space.
This is an image of a high velocity copper impactor striking the surface of comet Tempel 1 creating drastic brightening that lasted for hours afterward. Created by the
Deep Impact space mission on July 4th., it is perhaps the most striking scientific image of 2005. --
Deglr632801:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)reply
When DI flew, it carried (I think) one of the largest telescopes ever on a deep space mission. In designing the telescope, the engineers basically have to guess at how the composite materials that make up the optics design will behave in 0g and with highly varying temperatures of space. They guessed a little wrong and the optical path that light took through the telescope was either a little longer or shorter (can't remember) than anticipated. This can be corrected for however, using a mathematical transformation on the resultant blurry images returned in order to recover most of the lost resolution. This is called
optical deconvolution and though it worked very well in this case it is not perfect and it causes some artefacts. I strongly suspect that is the reason behind the fringing effects seen in the image. The small dark rings seen in the lower part of the plume are from dust on the telescope's lenses. --
Deglr632806:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I think Debivort was just talking about the lines in the left-center of the image; looks like some artifacts. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-2 06:39
Perhaps later when the full dataset is released to the NASA PDS. The benefit will be negligible though. Thee CCD on DI is a 1024 x 1024 Split Frame Transfer type and this image is already 900 X 900.--
Deglr632807:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
••***...whatever... this image despite some of it's shortcomings evokes further images of maybe ... a beach house down by the shore, a small jetty and row-boat, sunsets on evening strolls and picnics, a lazy afternoon/evening fishing with BBQ's and friends - bird-watching and digiscoping with that new Zeiss scope T* coated BUT hold on... is there broadband here? Peace then and a much slower pace. A lot of time to work on another picture for these pages. Maybe try and PhotoShop this picture so it will please every person's eyes that trace these pages... I don't think the person who took this pictures really cares too much what we think - we all have different agendas and dreams. Now where's my rod and digicsope?
Breathtaking image of Lake Clearwater!an edit
This picture is a very beautiful capture of Lake Clearwater, Ontario, Canada. It is crisp and very pretty.
Oppose - The colours look bleached (pale), and the picture is not as sharp as it could be.
EvilStorm 1http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Lake_Clearwater&action=edit§ion=
10:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I've seen far better lake shots, and besides, the focus of the photo seems to be that tree, rather than the lake itself. I also agree with what Debivort said.
—DO'Neil06:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Mike.. don't let all these opposes get you down, k? The edit is unbelievably over-saturated.. both versions are unfortunately not crisp at all. Also poor composition with the tree right there. Consider the thirds rule. This also appears to be taken with either a camera phone or a 35mm (or disposable) and scanned in at a low dpi.
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
This picture was indeed taken with a disposable camera and scanned at (300DPI?). I never intended it to be a featured picture candidate, just a pretty picture.
silsor14:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
It leans to the left a bit for me, and might benefit from a bit of down-sampling to sharpen up some of the in-focus features, like the planes. Will likely support.
Debivort02:12, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. The towers in the background make a beautiful contrast with the planes in the foreground. A true collage of human-build stuff.SoothingR22:46, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support I've uploaded an edited version of the image (rotated to correct tilt, increased contrast) and added the edit to the
Air show page. I think it's a great addition to that page. ~
MDD469623:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I found out that my
last photo for White's tree frog was up for Featured Picture candidacy after it had been disapproved. I didn't particularly like the image (for technical reasons, the frog is beautiful), but most of the opposition was for image size, of which I have updated since. Someone should have told me it was up. I have been trying to get an improved image for ages, and then I found this one that lives on/near my house. This was the best photo I took.
Appears in
White's tree frog, and taken by
liquidGhoul06:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC).reply
Support Yay!! We've had a couple of frogs turned down recently and I've been hoping a really exceptional one would come along. ~
Veledan •
Talk18:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose, looks good, but it is difficult to understand exactly what it is. If you look in the article, the submarine picture provides a clearer definition for turbulence. --ʀ6ʍɑʏ8916:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral - The reflection is mainly the off-putting thing, and as with Glaurung, above, it also took me sometime to actually understand what it was. --
Kilo-Lima20:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose I still cannot figure out exactly what it is, or from what angle the picture was taken. The top is alright, but the bottom is blurry and rather unpleasant looking. --
Ironchef800021:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose for the same reasons as above. I think the image would be a lot clearer if the photographer had been a bit farther back from the subject. As is, it looks like an abstract photograph. --
jackohare18:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
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I have decided to
ignore all rules and reopen this nomination. The first nomination passed despite only a 66% majority, and delisting nomination was inconclusive. I would not normall condone this sort of thing, but I believe the orignal promition was flawed, and the delisting process is not suitable for correcting this. If this image is FP quality, then it should be able to gain enough support. ed g2s •
talk16:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)reply
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Nomination reopened
Comment, votes from previous nomination carry forward (+10/-5), as I see no good reason to discard them, so if you voted the first time, there is no need to vote again. ed g2s •
talk17:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Support per reasons stated below. The animation is distinctive and contributes substantially to a number of articles. Since it's an example of a cartoon, and it is labeled as such, I don't object to the childishness. --
bcasterline •
talk16:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment. While I'm at it, I also don't get what's inconclusive about a "4-1 against" vote on delisting... Citing
ignore all rules is no excuse for wasting everybody's time… -
Mstroeck17:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose - good animation, but if this becomes a FP, our standards are slipping. Only the cream of the crop should be distinguished as a FP. This animation is just too plain. --
P19921:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Ummm... it already is an FP. And, it succeeded in not being delisted when it was nominated for delisting (by ed g2s) below. Now he has decided to treat it as if the previous FPC and delisting request never happened. So, I would have to say speedy keep as both the previous FPC and the attempted delisting have shown it should be kept, and ed g2s's actions do not follow any known guidelines. This would be like restoring a deleted article because you feel that the closer incorrectly closed the AFD. There is a process that should be followed, just as there is in this case. In the request for delisting, everyone but ed g2s voted to keep it a FP, though they could have easily voted to delist, claiming that the closer screwed up. They didn't. Even if the delisting nomination was inconclusive (which it wasn't), then we do nothing (ie, no consensus). We do not follow through on the delisting. In other words, it should remain a FP. If ed g2s would like to renominate it for delisting, again, feel free. But until then, it remains a FP. --BRIAN091800:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)reply
I have closed this faulty nomination. The channel to delist a FP has been gone through just a few days ago with a default decision to keep it listed. If you would like to try to have it delisted again, please do so. This process doesn't make sense as is. Sorry. --
Mark Neelstin(Dark Mark)00:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)reply
As I stated at the top, the delisting process is not suitable for the grievance I had with this promotion, as it requires a majority to have it delisted, as opposed to the minority oppose that is required to prevent it from being listed in the first place. I am not trying to set a precedent for changing the delist process, but this image was promoted on a borderline majority, and it can surely do no harm to collect another weeks worth of votes. I understand the process fully, but it is not suited to handling this exceptional case. We can
use common sense sometimes... ed g2s •
talk16:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)reply
No... we do not just keep relisting things until we get our own desired outcome. Common sense says it didn't have enough support to delist it just a few days ago, therefore it should not be delisted. Closed again. --
Mark Neelstin(Dark Mark)20:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)reply
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Original nomination
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This is one of the few animations on Wikipedia. It appears in
Animated cartoon and a couple of other articles.
Oppose Would illustrate rotoscoping better with the original photographs being played next to it. I don't think it is a particularly good image for the persistance of vision article either. ~
MDD469602:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment I nominated it for its appearance in the
animated cartoon article, the caption (with links) is was from there, now changed on this page, see additional comment below. It is of secondary importance in the articles you comment about. --
Janke |
Talk07:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment again Re Renata3: Original photos? In the
animated cartoon article? You must be thinking Muybridge or rotoscoping... I've changed the caption so as to prevent this kind of misunderstanding again. --
Janke |
Talk16:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oh, ok. Yea, I was thinking about Muybridge... Then it is not that bad that it looks childish. But somehow I still don't feel it is up to the featured standard. But I change it to neutral.
Renata319:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment. Ignoring the stylised horse, how accurate are the movements of the legs? Would this stand up to being placed onto a
horse-related page to illustrate how horses gallop?
enochlau (
talk)
11:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Reply: The leg movements are copied, frame by frame, by
rotoscoping, from
Eadweard Muybridges pioneering 19th century photos, so they should be pretty accurate - within the limitations of tracing from rather small images. I was surprised to find that someone has already added this animation to this
Commons category, despite the "goofy", cartoonish look of the horse's head... Feel free to add it to any article you think would benefit. --
Janke |
Talk13:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
In that case, support, since I'm assured that it is not misleading in any way. Demonstrates concepts in pages where it is used well.
enochlau (
talk)
05:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - I like it. It's too fast to show horse's movement, but as an animated cartoon - it's fine.
Pibwl [[User_talk:Pibwl|talk]]
22:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral for now - There seems to be some sort of (I hope) "mistake" in the image. It looks as if on the last frame there are two lines at the back of the horse's legs. It is already been discussed above. If it's removed, I will most gladly change my vote. --
Kilo-Lima12:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Fixed, I erased those lines in frame 8, and also fixed the shape of the right front leg slightly in frame 4. If the new version doesn't display, you may have to clear your browser cache. --
Janke |
Talk14:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose I think it's good, but not brilliant. Doesn't really do the full illustration of Animatied cartoon that I'd like either (thinking about how frames add to animation, and specifics about how frames are overlaid to draw the next etc etc.) ❝Sverdrup❞01:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: Such an image does exist, in the
Traditional animation article. This is perhaps the only moving animated cartoon on Wikipedia - I have found some other animations, but they're eiter technical, or "doodles". --
Janke |
Talk07:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose - agree with Junes; I don't find this too striking - an infinite number of animated images can be created; what makes this one special? Thanks!
Flcelloguy (
A note?)
23:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
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Nomination for delisting
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The result of the debate was
Nominating for delisting. Original vote was only +10/-6, so it really shouldn't have been promoted in the first place. ed g2s •
talk11:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. It makes a valuable contribution to a number of articles, and the arguments in favor of promotion below still stand. I agree that its original candidacy could have gone another way, but, now that it's a featured picture, I don't really see a compelling reason to delist it.
bcasterlinet13:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)reply
It should be delisted and renominated simply because the original promotion was not valid. If it is a worthy FP - it will be promoted properly the second time. ed g2s •
talk13:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Disregarding the new user (whose vote was his 20th edit or so), the vote was +10/-5. That can go either way. I don't think this image's promotion was so severe a violation of the rules that it needs to be delisted and resubmitted.
bcasterlinet14:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)reply
I still stand with my support, but e2gs is right. If the promotion is invalid it should be renominated. What's the difference to putting a completely failed nom on FP or putting up an image without nominating at all? --
Dschwen14:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)reply
I don't think its promotion was invalid. Numbers upwards of 60% are usually considered a supermajority, and both +10/-6 and +10/-5 fall within that range, albeit at the lower end. I'd say the decision was at the promoter's discretion, and, again, I don't personally see a compelling reason to challenge him. Is there a specific "support" percentage necessary for FPCs that I'm unaware of?
bcasterlinet14:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. This is essentially an affirmation of my support for the image in the first place, but I agree that if it were to be considered invalidly promoted, the simplest way to resolve the issue would simply be to re-nominate it and let the chips fall where they may.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)10:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep and I don't think there is a need to renominate. This was not an invalid promotion! 10/5 at FPC will always need a judgment call from the closer, and a glitch that had been cited in earlier opposes was fixed during the nomination, but not all votes were updated — I expect I'd have given them slightly less weight too ~
Veledan •
Talk10:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Whether or not you think 66% is enough (I personally think it should be much higher), I don't think anyone could disagree that it is a borderline case. The best thing to do here would be to relist it. It would certainly do no harm. ed g2s •
talk15:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)reply
It needs to be delisted before being relisted. Simply relisting it bypasses the previous vote and closing decision. It would be like putting a Featured Article up on FAC in order to remove its featured status. --BRIAN091821:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Except this is a special case, as the original nomination was not an obvious promotion. The delisting process is flawed in this instance (a clear majority is needed to delist, when only a significant minority is needed to prevent listing in the first place), so the only sensible thing to do is to just re-open the nomination. A bit of common sense is needed here, instead of just doing everything by the book. ed g2s •
talk16:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)reply
7-day mark - This listing has now had its seven days, but the question whether people think the original promotion was valid or not is still not entirely clear. I see 3 people think it was valid (bcasterline, brian0918 & I), 1 or 2 invalid (ed_g2s & possibly Pegasus1138), and 2 have used neutral wording on that particular point (Dscwhen & Diliff). I recuse myself from closing the debate, although the consensus for keeping the image unless the nomination is judged invalid seems clear. ~
Veledan •
Talk12:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)reply
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I just ran across this photo and thought it was an extremely striking and effective visualization of
wingtip vortices. It's certainly an unusual image of a subject that is difficult to photograph. Perhaps you'll agree.
Wow, shame its so fuzzy. Also, i almost think theres too much red, it barely seems like a vortex at all until you look carefully. Im on the fence on this. -
Lanoitarus(talk).:.06:07, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment Pretty cool pic, but I have some problems with the quality. Have uploaded an edit, but I'm not sure I'll support yet. --
Fir000206:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment It's horrible at high quality and pretty burned out and dirty at any resolution. The colour looks overstated, too. Not good enough for FP in my opinion even if it is a rare pic. I do like the shot though and I'd support if a better quality version could be found. ~
Veledan •
Talk22:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. I agree with the last vote, that sometimes hard-to-capture phenomena have to sacrifice a little picture quality. But it's one of my all-time favorite aerodynamics pictures, and captures some fascinating and beautiful behavior in a striking way.
Aerodave05:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. I think some people are a bit spoiled by noisefree digital photos taken under optimal conditions. The quality here is not that bad. Properly some compromises was made to get more detail. This is a truly amazing photo. --
195.184.122.2607:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
St. Basil's Cathedral and Spasskaya Tower of Kremlin, Red Square, MoscowThe same image cropped a bit higher
A striking image - great composition and colours. Copyright by Dmitry Azovtsev and used in Wikipedia with permission, appears in the
Moscow,
Red Square and
History of Moscow articles.
Oppose, what a pitty it is cut at the bottom. Looks irritating this way. It is used in the red square article but not a single brick of the square is on the pic ;-) --
Dschwen21:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
It's true it could've been cropped better at the bottom — you see only the heads of people, but not the square itself. I think cutting it a bit higher would be appropriate, I might even give it a try tomorrow, but I don't find it a problem we can't deal with. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov→ Talk22:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: I really like the lighting, colors, and crisp focus of this image. I too am a little concerned about the cropping, though, and would like to see an alternative version.
Camerafiend00:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Well... you can't actually reveal what was left out of the borders of a photo :) Achieving what you want is almost impossible, involving very good photoshopping skills, a whole bunch of suitable Red Square photos from the same position, possibly some talent in digital drawing and a load of free time — and it would be just a collage, not the real photo that was taken. So forget about it :P → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov→ Talk22:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support first. The second has a cut look at the bottom, while the second has more of a natural look to it.
JQF21:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose Unfortunately St. Basil's Cathedral is in a very poor spot in the photo. The sky in the center weighs too heavily on the composition and St. Basil being so low down completely batters it. If there's a version with more space to the left, upload it. Also its very low res and you cannot see much detail of the buildings..
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose The lighting on St. Basil's Cathedral is too weak, and the middle of the picture is too empty. As for the edit, cropping it higher is unnecessary. Edit: Forgot to sign, doing it now --
JPM00:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The positioning of the buildings is not ideal to illustrate them in any real way. Too much of the buildings are in shadow.
enochlau (
talk)
11:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- I think it was actually better before the crop, but even then the image composition is a bit awkward. A different angle would help, I think. There is a big empty space in the middle of the image. --
jackohare18:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The crop was a complete misunderstanding, the opposite of what I wanted. I'd support a retake with less sky and more red square.--
Dschwen17:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
What do you mean retaking is impossible? But the red square is still there, is it? So the pic can be retaken, if not by you then by someone else. Like this I cannot support it. --
Dschwen21:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Highly-detailed photograph of an Apache
wickiup, taken in 1903 by the famous photographer
Edward S. Curtis. It shows in detail the structure, art, and pottery characteristic of the Apache tribes.
Support the *copyright* is 1903, the other date is 1898. This is actually quite interesting since it still appears to be in use.. which makes it a pretty rare photograph, I'd assume.
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
That isn't a date, it says 898, apparently photograph number 898. The LOC entry says Curtis no. 898. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-6 06:55
I've
modified the
original image to make the wickiup stand out from the background, and changed the contrast a bit. Better? Worse? — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-12 06:15
Comment I think it would look a lot better if the part that was closest to us was in focus. I'd also like a greater depth of field. --
vaeiou00:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Technically speaking, this is a
helix, not a
spiral. But regardless of what article it belongs in, the photo is too small and doesn't illustrate the concept very well.
Camerafiend00:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose does not show the structure of a spiral.. nor does it show the function of it. Not sure how you would manage showing the function of the spiral in a picture.. but eh.
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Too small and while I do like it, I don't see it as serving much of a purpose on an encyclopedia... unless it somehow represents a style of photography.
grenグレン02:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose - almost unencyclopedic. Doesn't show the entire notebook, or even the entire 'spiral' part. Great quality photo, but not at all belonging as a Featured Picture.
Tony(Talk),
VandalismNinja03:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
As much as I appreciate your zeal and large "improved" template, if you read what I intially said I already have a rotated version. Yours is lower res and has the mountain cropped out. --
Fir000223:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
"Yours... has the mountain cropped out." Eh? Not from here it doesn't... Anyway, that's fine, I'll just IfD the rotation. And, even if you don't like my efforts, I'd appreciate it if you didn't replace my pictures for me. As you said, I didn't read properly, and a rotated version was already supplied. I'll still
User:Vanderdecken/Support the original. —
Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ12:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Actually, the house in the background show that it was not level with the horizon. The rotated version makes the house level. Although the rotated version is more "correct" (I think?) the tilted version seems more natural to me, for some reason. Both are great! ~
MDD469603:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The house is actually not completely level in either image. The thing that everyone is perhaps forgetting is the effect of perspective. The edge of the field is extending diagonally along the photo because it is moving further away, and will therefore appear to be sloping. There is no horizon to refer to so it is impossible to know for sure exactly what 'level' is in this case though.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)05:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - What a pleasant scene! The two cows facing the camera on the left look like they were pasted there or something.. though I'm assuming they weren't. Not sure why it looks like that to me.
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Beautiful and yet so simple. My only problem is that it isn't the right dimensions for a computer wallpaper. -
YB21:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
This image of a pair of
binoculars is used in the former article, and was uploaded to Commons by
Neutrality. Depicting a set of binoculars, a ship and helicopter can be seen in the reflection on the lenses.
Support. Also seems to work as a
stereogram. If you cross your eyes until you see a complete third lens in the middle, and make sure your head is level so that the two lenses overlap, eventually it will come in focus and appear as a 3D image of the ship and helicopter. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-5 20:34
( + ) Support Great image. Dunno about the effect Brian discribed though, didn't seem to work for me - probably just can't cross my eyes enough :-) --
Fir000223:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Going against the tide on this one, but the binoculars itself are not sharp, and while the reflection looks nice it does not really stand out to me. --
Chris 73 |
Talk23:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral. Great shot, great idea... I think it has too many problems with fuzzy, etc. However, this is too unique for me to want to oppose like I have for others with the same problems.
grenグレン02:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Nez Perce warrior, wearing loin cloth and moccasins, on horseback, 1910
I uploaded this several months ago and forgot about it. Titled "The old-time warrior--Nez Percé", photographed by
Edward S. Curtis, and used in
Nez Perce.
Do you mean the emptiness of the sky? — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-5 01:00
Yes, that's what bothers me - I like the large amoung of sky, but the emptiness does detract from the overall quality of the picture, in my opinion. Thanks!
Flcelloguy (
A note?)
01:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - Wow, that picture is very clear for the time at which it was taken. Very detailed. Any 'dedrabbing' of the sky would require the image to be colored, unfortunately b&w photos just don't have much adjusting potential.. though adjusting the contrast might improve it slightly. --The above unsigned vote was made by
Drumguy8800
This pic was taken by
User:Tristanb. I accidentally discovered it and I like it. It's a great picture of a dam. It's not for nature lovers, but it shows how a dam works.
Oppose It adds to the article, but it isn't exactly visually striking. Maybe if it demonstrated something the dam did functionally in an interesting way, it would be FPC material. Higher res might also help.
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Even though it is a diseased leaf, I think it looks nice. Also illustrates all the stages of the disease: yellow, black and completely dead tissue.;
Features in
Black Spot, and was created by
liquidGhoul.
( − ) Oppose Yes it's clear and probably illustrates the topic well, but the backgournd and subject matter are poor. --
Fir000207:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Well I was reffering to the fact that it hardly grips the audience with fascination. Mundane. Certainly the actual leaf demonstrates the disease well but thats about it. --
Fir000209:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose It isn't really that crisp, for some reason. I know it *looks* clear but it really isn't that easy on the eyes, for some reason. Not enough contrast? The Background? dunno..
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
A panorama of downtown Montreal as viewed from Mount Royal at twilight
This image newly appears on the
Montreal page, as I took it earlier today. This is actually a 5 segment by 3 row panorama stitched in landscape format. It is one of my highest resolution (9118x2774!) panoramas yet and I'm pretty happy with the results. View at 100% to appreciate the details available (beware the file size however :/ - ~8mb).
I used a program called PTGui and a blending plugin called Smartblend to aid in smoothing any vignetting/exposure differences (although there shouldn't be any differences as I use the same white balance/exposure settings for each frame obviously). Works very well. :) There is a demo version of PTGui available but it places an annoying watermark on the photo.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)17:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
You said it a large file size - no more. From 8Mb to 3.7Mb. And that puts me with a Very Strong Support for either pic - amazing level of detail. The only reason I didn't go smaller than 3Mb was that I was afraid I'd lose all of the fantastic detail, like the folders lying on a desk in the central office block. —
Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ18:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support either version. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-5 20:46
( + ) Support Well done Diliff. Only tiny complaint is that there is probably too much out-of-focus branches in the foreground - a little is good for the scene but IMO there is too much. But spectacular and definetly FP material --
Fir000223:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support original. I have a little problem with the huge Improved by Vanderecken box for just resaving it at higher compression, so my support goes to the original only. --
Dschwen00:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
We're commenting on the image, not the description page. I agree that box was a bit large, I downsized it yesterday. And also, please try to spell my name right. Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V are two very simple key combinations. —
Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ11:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Very nice, and I'd give it a "good image" if there was one... but, I'm not sure that it's the best time or location of a panorama of Montreal. So many good pictures coming in lately, that I'm not sure it matches up to all of the competition. (Also, keep the largest size image they say)
grenグレン02:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
What time/location would you suggest? Mount Royal is well known as being a great lookout onto downtown Montreal, and as far as the time goes, I can show you a similar panorama that I took a couple of hours earlier in the day from that very spot, and I don't think it is nearly as striking
[3].
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)06:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The famous map of Lewis and Clark's expedition. It changed mapping of northwest America by providing the first accurate depiction of the relationship of the sources of the Columbia and Missouri rivers, and the Rocky Mountains.
The famous historic map created by Lewis and Clark, detailing their expedition across northwest America, which forever changed mapping of the U.S. Among collectors, this map has become quite valuable, and even modern copies of it are expensive. The image had to remain large for all of the text to be readable. Currently used in
Lewis and Clark Expedition.
NeutralStrongly Oppose Yes, the map is famous and very articulate, but the image itself is as captivaging and aesthetically pleasing as a 4 year old's doodle on gray paper with black markers until it's enlarged -- and when it's enlarged it's simply too big, and for anyone not intending to print it out it is useless. --
JPM00:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Above user has 10 edits.
This is Wikipedia FPC, not Commons FPC. The point of the Featured Pictures here is to illustrate an article well, which a map of the
Lewis and Clark Expedition would do for said article, besides its historical value. See for example
the first photograph, which isn't very pleasing to the eye, but has great historical value. That's why it became Featured. You say that the map is large, and thus useless. I would say that if it was shrunk to where none of the text is readable, that would render the map useless. Isn't that the purpose of maps, to be read? In any case, we have similarly large (or larger) images already, so I don't think this is pushing it. It is necessary for the image to be this large, so "too large" seems a bit subjective/unfounded. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-7 01:08
I see you to your point on the Wikipedia FPC/Commons FPC idea. I should clarify: yes, there are larger images that have been featured, but they don't all have text and small details to look at. When you look at a map you want to see the whole picture and be able to quickly reference to any point on it. It seems too difficult to do that with this image, unless it is printed. --
JPM05:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Isn't it only difficult for you because you are not familiar with the area? This map is one of the most famous historical maps, and illustrates the content of its article perfectly, so it fulfills the requirements of
WP:FPC. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-7 15:27
I am familiar with the area -- I've taken my share of American history courses, as have a lot of people here have, so don't assume I'm not. You obviously want this photo up badly, so I'll just change to neutral like Dschwen did down there. I still don't agree with you but you'll just cite that sentence to death to counter me, so I won't bother. --
JPM17:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I don't want the map up badly. I just want the guidelines of FPC to be followed to some degree. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-7 17:19
The first sentence on FPC says: "Featured pictures is a list of images that add significantly to articles, either by illustrating article content particularly well, or being eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article." This definitely illustrates the article well, so it has fulfilled the requirements of FP. We have other featured pictures that are not striking, such as
the first photograph. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-7 15:20
And I voted in favor of the Niepce picture, becuse, for me, it was a striking image. Frankly, I'm disappointed that someone decided that the text that ran so long with FP Candidates, namely, "Wikipedia:Featured pictures is a list of images and diagrams that are beautiful, striking, shocking, impressive, titillating, fascinating, or in short just brilliant" was no longer relevant. I choose to continue to adhere to the belief that Featured Pictures should not just illustrate their article well, but should also be striking. No change in my vote.
Denni☯01:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
NeutralOppose. High resolution and clarity. An impressive piece of media which would make a great FP... ...on commons. --
Dschwen15:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Actually, Commons is for striking images, so it probably wouldn't go over well there. Wikipedia is for informative images. See the first sentence of
WP:FPC. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-7 15:20
Wow, you are fighting for your baby ;-). But you do have a point. I'll still go with neutral here, since it is not eye catching as a thumbnail (thinking how it would look as POTD in the Mainpage). --
Dschwen16:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I think the bigger concern is that it illustrates an article well, not how it will look on the main page. It never has to be on the main page. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-7 16:43
Comment: For more evidence of this map's popularity, note that it is the most purchased map in the
David Rumsey Collection of famous maps. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-8 19:18
While
Diliff's mega-panoramas are a hard act to follow, I thought I would throw the metaphorical hat into the ring with this illustration. I created it with the desire to make a richly encyclopedic image/poster with lots of information about leaf morphology. There is a lot of jargon in botany (and science generally) and I think images that visually define that jargon are useful. The image illustrates the
leaf article, in the terminology section. Now, I know there is an on-going debate about illustrations as FPs, particularly how they scale down as thumbnails. While I am biased, I do think the thumb of this image is attractive in a symbolic/technical way (kind of the way a optometrist's chart or wanted poster could be seen to have aesthetic appeal). In either case, I am interested in your comments. On a technical note, I know you all prefer the SVG format to PNG, but I was unable to successfully save the image out of Illustrator in PNG. The fonts were screwed up (see
this version particularly in the margin section). If you have a tip on that please pass it on.
Support. Highly informative and aesthetically pleasing. So it's got scaling problems - big deal (not!). Surely, someone can put a link to the high-res version in the image caption for someone who wants to study it in more detail? -
Mgm|
(talk)10:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support (added: titleless version). This looks better than most diagrams do in thumbnail size - the captions are readable, thus giving the viewer the incentive to explore further. And the graphic design is just excellent - if you ask me (and methinks that's what you're doing ;-) there's just one thing I'd change, and that is the slightly garish green in the "shape" and "venation" sections, the green in "margin" is more pleasing. --
Janke |
Talk13:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - aesthetically pleasing and fully informative. One minor point: I can hardly read the small print. Therefore, I wouldn't mind a larger clickable image.
JoJan17:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Scaling issues aside, I am very pleased with the direction that recent Featured Picture candidates have been going in. This image is very informative, and very aesthetically pleasing. The only problem I see with recent images is that as they increase in resolution, it seems that users have to choose between small thumbnails/previews, and the gigantic full size. There really should be some in-between choice... ~
MDD469617:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Wow, that is a particularly great diagram. It would be really nice if it were SVG, but this version is certainly high-res enough to work. --
jackohare17:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Obvious supportexcept for one thing. Could you cut off the title (where it says leaf morphology)? Please, it really disturbs me. That sort of title is excellent for stand-alone posters, but not for images in WP where they are properly captioned and goes along with bunch of text.Renata305:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment - I'm embarrassed to point out a fault with this wonderful work, but the "shape" box is alphabetized in columns, while the "margin" and "venation" boxes are alphabetized in rows. -
Bantman19:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Really? Even though these are definitional rather than statements of fact or interpretation? Almost all can be found in a normal online dictionary.
Debivort17:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I prefer references for all non-trivial facts. I don't know enough to say if this diagram needs refs. It's good otherwise, though. Can you find another similar diagram in a book and ref it there? The FP criterion does ask for refs (in the article or in the picture description page).
BrokenS01:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I can't think of an obvious way to do this. I probably used 15 different sources for it, with most heavy reliance on dictionaries. But I would note that it is not typical in a scientific article, for example, to cite definitions, unless they are idiosynchratic. If somone else feels strongly about that I could go track down references, but it would be pretty arbitrary which were chosen.
Debivort04:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
File:Notre-Dame de Montréal Basilica Jan 2006.jpgA mosaic of the interior of Notre-Dame de Montréal BasilicaEdited version at full res. I accidentally uploaded this photo on the en Wikipedia but have now uploaded to commons under the same name
This is a 5x5 mosaic/panorama of the interior of
Notre-Dame de Montréal Basilica. Like my previous panorama of Montreal's downtown, this image is extremely high resolution. It is downscaled to around 50% of original size (I worked out that even with some overlap in the stitched images, there is around 200 megapixels of detail) and still comes in at around 12mb, so it unfortunately beats my previous FPC by another 4mb! I tried to reduce the size of the file by compression but I noticed obvious artifacts - there is just too damn much detail and I didn't want to lose any of it. I also tried downsampling it but it has already been done to get it to 7577x5157 and there was obvious loss of detail. So take it or leave it guys, this file is big, but the detail is amazing. For the record, I also created another version with rectilinear projection (this one is cylindrical, hence the slight curve at the bottom of the frame), but I didn't like the way warped the roof, but it is available for reference if you'd like to see it.
Support - You know, at first I was going to complain that it was too dark.. but my my what an astounding image! That thing is massive!! When you zoom in, the darkness problem goes away.. there's so much detail. Excellent. Perfect Featured Picture with an astounding amount of detail.
drumguy8800 -
speak?06:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I trust Diliff when he says he wanted to keep the pic as close to the original interior as possible. Has the editor actually been there? --
Dschwen12:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support High quality, high resolution. The lighting it quite good, especially for being inside a basilica. (On my CRT the image looked a bit dark, but on my LCD it looks fine...). Also, where is the rectilinear projection for reference...? I would like to see it. Diliff, did you happen to take any other photos of the basilica? This image is a good view of the interior in its entirety, but photos of the organ, or other smaller subjects would greatly benefit the article. ~
MDD469622:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I've just uploaded the rectilinear projection. I also have an image of the organ pipes at the rear of the basilica that I'm going to upload soon. Its pretty high res too, but not a FPC. ;)
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)03:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment I like the first, which was also the only one when I stated my support above. The moody feeling was just right for a cathedral. The second one looks a bit artificially lightened on my monitor. This is an important point: people have their monitors set very differently. I use a calibrated Mac display, while run-of-the-mill PC monitors tend to show images both darker and contrastier. Laptops and flat-panel displays are again different... It's hard to find the right balance to suit all. I won't oppose the lighter version, though, if consensus favors it. --
Janke |
Talk16:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I support the lighter version. And abstain on the first one. That is because even though the resolution is GIGANTIC I cannot see too much detail because it is simply too dark and everything becomes formless shadows of grey/black. Now a lighter version makes a lot more details visible. The moody feeling can be expressed by a low res pic. When you have THAT kind of resolution, you want - and expect - to see the details. And the lighter version should allow it.
Renata316:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I agree with Janke here. My support only goes for the first one, I don't think it needed to be lightened -- now it seems too artificial and doesn't have the same feeling to it. --
JPM17:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I agree that perhaps the original image could be too dark for some people's monitors, but I think if you have a correctly calibrated monitor, you wouldn't find it too dark. I made sure I kept the image looking as close to the actual interior. I don't support the edit as it does look artificial and not as correct - the interior of this particular basilica was quite dark, and the front of it was lit up. If you enhance the shadows you lose this mood. It might look 'prettier' to some viewers but it is definitely not as correct. This is an encyclopaedia, remember. I know that we've discussed this and subjective things like brightness are open to interpretation but I do feel in this case, being the photographer, that the original is more correct and the edit is not.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)00:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I hear you. But I reserve my right to like the lighter version better :) (in any way, form, or case, dark or bright, the pic is absolutely awsome!)
Renata302:06, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
DUH! Support be careful, if you go to Wikimania this year I might just have to beat you up and steal your camera! Seriously this is fabulous, especially the lightened version. I swear you took this from like 50ft from the back wall and I can practically see the brushstrokes on it.
ALKIVAR™16:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Obvious Support - This is the epitome of a Featured Picture. Amazing detail, no pixelation or blurriness at all, enormous full size, breathtaking shot of a breathtaking scene. This is the poster child for featured pictures. -
Cuivienen20:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Absolute support - original version - agree with Janke, the darker version is better. For the record, I have plain GNU/Linux PC with reasonably set EIZO F56 monitor. Lightened version can be linked from image description - although I believe better place for gamma correction is in the browser software or window system.--
Wikimol22:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: To test whether your monitor is properly adjusted and can display shadow detail properly, please check this image that I made - in the large square, you should see the left half of the circle very faintly (or not at all), but the right half should be clearly visible. If not, you need to adjust your monitor. Hope this helps! --
Janke |
Talk08:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Hmm, I just ran my laptop through the Adobe Gamma tool on Windows, and pictures look warmer now, but I still can't see the two halves of the circle. Any other suggestions?
enochlau (
talk)
11:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Actually, it's quite OK if you can see only the right half clearly, but not the left half. RGB 6,6,6 is a very dark grey, virtually indistinguishable from black. If you see the left side clearly, then your monitor is set too bright. I've just now experimented with a PC laptop, and on this model (Compaq Presario 2100) the settings are pretty coarse - but by tweaking the brightness, I could get a proper adjustment. This changed the mood of the second version to "very brightly lit"... --
Janke |
Talk11:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
PS: Should we include this, or a similar, simple monitor "check test" on the top of the FPC page, in order to alert people to the problems of different monitor settings - which can influence voting rather significantly? --
Janke |
Talk11:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Setting a calibration standard would save us from pointless discussions and image edits. It would be a good addition. I don't think it'll dicourage casual voting. If you don't want to recalibrate your monitor you'll at least know not to comment on exposure. --
Dschwen12:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I think that's making FP's a bit exclusive. I mean we want the FPs to look good for casual users of wikipedia more than anything else. IMO they're there to showcase the best wiki has to offer to users in terms of photography. --
Fir000201:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Let me see if I get this straight, you want to sacrifice authenticity and image detail, create a dumbed down McDonalds version of each picture so it looks acceptable for each and every miscalibrated monitor out there, instead of encouraging the user to once and for all calibrate their monitors. Because calibrating a monitor is exclusive, I dare say "elitist"? --
Dschwen13:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support both, but prefer number 2 - The brightning of the image in number 2 really brings out the colors in the picture, and makes it much more striking on all the system I viewed it on, including my calibrated photo editing system.
PPGMD18:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I take issue with the edit mainly because it isn't accurate, not because it isn't striking. Bringing out the colours and shadows in the picture shouldn't really be the aim. It WAS dark there. The edit, to me, just seems to represent the photo as more of a carnival than a church! ;)
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)03:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
It depends what you are going for, I look for more striking photos. As a photographer I firmly believe we play with light, and in dark places is the best place to work, light does just some wonderful things when you bring the shutter speed down.
PPGMD15:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I completely agree with you when the purpose of the photography is artistic expression or something along those lines. I mean, anyone could mess with that photo and completely change its aesthetics with colour saturation/balance and further brighten the shadows and it would certainly look striking, but if someone is reading the article and wants to know what the interior LOOKS like, surely they want an accurate image, not merely a colourful and striking one. I'm all for working with light (and photographic tools) to bring out the best in a photo, but not at the expense of accuracy. I agree with Janke when he said on the talk page that it should really be up to the photographer to make adjustments to things such as colour and luminosity, as only they were there to see it with their own eyes. That said, we can continue to discuss it and figure things out. Consensus rules.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)05:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Well speaking as someone on dial up, I really would love to see the detail in your photo even in the preview. As it is, unless I view the image at it's full gigantic size, most of the shadow detail is not visible. The brightened version shows a lot more in the preview size. And as you rightly said, this is an encylopedia, and people do want to see the interiror, so atmosphere should be rejected in preference to detail for the average person. However its just a thought and as most people are happy with a dark version that's fine with me. Just another point a bright interior of a church doesn't make it a carnival. For instance
this photo has almost daylight brightness. And I'm not saying your lying when you say it was really dark (I can well image), but in
this photo and
this one,
this oneand this one {which I think are of the same basilica}, the interior is very bright; so a brightened version isn't really so unrealistic. I'm not trying to detract from your obviously brilliant images, but maybe you should be a little more open to help from others in post processing --
Fir000206:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The thing is, I can't speak for everyone as I don't see through their monitor, but I think that the shadow detail CAN be seen for the most part - it is probably just darker than some people would prefer. I don't think that sacrificing accuracy for ease of viewing is right - I think atmosphere is just as important for an encyclopaedia as the detail. It all contributes to the illustration of the article. As for the images you cite, the first is taken with a flash which would illuminate the shadows, the second is of mainly the already lit area of the church and doesn't display any of the darkest parts, the third is just as dark in the shadow areas, if not MORE dark than mine, and I get "Server configuration does not allow access to this page" when I try to view the fourth. Obviously it is POSSIBLE to take a photo that is brigher, but there is nothing to say that it is more accurate. It just keeps coming back to accuracy. I AM open to help in post processing, but I'm still entitled to an opinion on edit policy and on whether the edit reflects the scene accurately. :)
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)07:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Must have some kind of javascript checking to see if you've seen the page first. Go to the source page
here
Hear, hear! I fully support Diliff's opinion here. He is the photographer, he was there, he knows what it looks like. There are indeed subjects that are mainly very dark, and this certainly is one of them. Remember the Hubble image - there, the consensus favored a darkened sky. --
Janke |
Talk06:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Actually I did a quick count and of those that specify support for one version over the other, 8 people support the original and 3 support the edit (not including you), so it isn't the majority. But thanks for your opinion anyway. It would be handy if, in light of what has been discussed about 'accuracy vs striking brightness', people could justify why they support the edit because a lot of the support for it seems to skirt the issue of accuracy. :) Anyway, I probably should just let consensus decide.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)19:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Commons shows 5 pro edit/ 1 oppose edit, 4 original, and 4 both. With my support original / oppose edit vote yet to cast :-). --
Dschwen22:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Only 5 voters explicitly vote for the edit (without our votes). But discussing this is pointless, since you obviously count differently. --
Dschwen23:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
As you said this is getting ridiculous. If someone votes support without specifying, they are supporting the nomination (in the commons the edit) --
Fir000201:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Its possible that the reason for the inverse reaction could be due to the lack of discussion regarding the accuracy of the image. I'm not sure how much weight my opinion regarding the realism of the edit carried on this page, but the lack of comment by myself could be contributing. I wasn't even aware that it was up for FPC on commons, actually.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)02:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
View of
Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky's harbour from Avacha Bay, with Mount Koryasky rising in the background.Edit #1; Adjusted contrast, hues, rotated 0.3deg CCW, saturation, removed speckling.Edit #2; Same as #1, without despeckling filters applied. Perhaps can be salvaged by a better pshopper.
Great shot of an interesting part of the world (I've always been curious about what's on that peninsula on the far right of Russia).
Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky is the region's main city.
Comment: The focus of the image seems to be on the cranes and boats in the foreground, not the actual mountain in the background. --
JPM22:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. And I'm the one who took the picture! My own comment is that it's a great travel snapshot of a little known part of the world, but as a picture and on artistic merits there are many better pictures that take precedent. But hey, thanks for considering it.
Vincent (
talk)
03:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Another photo with a strong rural theme. Taken at sunset when the Australian bush turns orange tinted and with a warming filter the iamge has a nice look. Maybe a little too yellowish for some so I've uploaded an edit. Thanks to
Didactohedron for removing the grass from the roosters eye.
Support the first, although I wouldn't mind an edit that was halfway between the two presented. I like the sunset feel as well.
enochlau (
talk)
08:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: "for removing the grass from the roosters eye" - oooh, this is digitally altered? You shouldn't have said that, if you see the
talk page you may be aware that you've re-opened
Pandora's box... ;-) --
Janke |
Talk09:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oh I'm very active in that discussion, and I would scoff at anyone who says that the removal of the out-of-focus grass head that was in the roosters eye has altered the meaning of the photo --
Fir000209:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support I prefer the original, only the white feathers are better in the edited version, so I would propose a slightly different edit.--
Treffer21:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
White-breasted Nuthatch. Image is not upside down.More contrasty edit
Another very good bird picture by
Mdf, this one of a White-breasted Nuthatch. Nuthatches are the only North American birds that can go down a tree head first, a feat that Mdf has caught this one doing. Illustrates
White-breasted Nuthatch
Support. Almost frighteningly close! Does a good job at visualizing the concept that they can "go down a tree head first" (obviously), and is pretty stunning as well. --
JPM22:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Either version. Top class photo. Little birds like that are really hard to get from my experience, and others taken by you are just as great. You should nominate more! --
Fir000223:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Too clarify, this picture was taken by
Mdf, not by me, I merely nominated it. Mdf seems to be too modest to nominate his own great work.
Dsmdgold23:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Illustrates the article nicely, and the fact that the bird is upside down makes it strikingly different from other bird pictures.
Camerafiend00:02, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Agree with Camerafiend... but I can't possibly look at this picture without laughing out loud. Great photo! ~
MDD469600:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support either, but like contrasty version more. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-8 01:42
Oppose edit, Support original. The edit kills off details. Check the eye, the dark section at the back of the head, the brown pennaceous feathers at the back and lower rim of the wings and the contast between the tail and the shadow in the back. The original is fine. --
Dschwen08:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support either, the orginal is more natural, but the edit is sharper, so I don't know which to go with, but definite support either way.
JQF21:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. The photo has great lighting, focus, and resolution. Also, there's not a part of it that has a problem. Great photo. --
JPM05:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Heh, I don't get a lot of things that happen on this page. ;) This picture is just a building on a hill - a nice building, but certainly not spectacular, certainly not out of the ordinary in any way, and it gets supported nearly unanimously. (And there is a more interesting and stunning image on the same page.) At the same time, an image like the
Clyde Dam picture - sparse yet beautiful with an impressive and surprising use of color, which this image lacks - is nearly unanimously opposed. I guess everyone has their differing personal opinions, lol. :)
Zafiroblue0504:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Your right, it isn't perfectly clear at full resolution, but I only really care about what it looks like when it's resized to fit my screen.
Raven4x4x11:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
( + ) Support Either Version. I love that castle, and this is a pretty good photo. An ideal version IMO would be a bit more atmospheric like
this one or
this one, but this will do --
Fir000207:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: Not currently used in any article. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-8 19:19
Support Someone has since added it to the
Brooklyn Bridge article. It is a stunning photo that I think illustrates the bridge and its surroundings quite well. However, the original suffers from severe JPEG artifacts, and it's really too bad about the flag. I uploaded an edit, and while they are still visible, I don't think they are noticeable enough to prevent it from gaining FP status. ~
MDD469620:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: I don't know... the image doesn't seem all that clear. It almost looks like a painting, not a photo. Personally, living 3 miles from the bridge, I've seen it look much better, and if someone dug harder a better picture could be found. I don't agree with the "surroundings" comment above, its true surroundings would show parts of Brooklyn and more of Manhattan, like the 1890 map in the
article did. Not that it makes this photo bad, just that a surroundings argument doesn't really hold up. --
JPM21:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment Seeing as I've never been there, you're probably right. I guess I need to be a bit more careful with my comments. ~
MDD469622:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong support. I hope the very slight blurriness (or lack of clarity, or whatever) doesn't keep this stunning image from being featured. It just might look more like a painting than a photo - but there's no harm in that!
Zafiroblue0519:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong support either. It is a very nice shot, and I really like the way the lights reflect off the water. Gives it a kind of
Cyberpunk look.
JQF21:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
OpposeThis is a very blurry picture. It only shows one of the spans, and the surroundings aren't exactly all that great.. especially since its in NYC and there are certainly more appealling angles. Though, this is an interesting angle, and I'll admit I've never seen the bridge in this light. Also, the image doesn't exactly provide much in the way of contrasts, and I'm afraid, because of the darkness and few colors in the image, that this is not salvagable.drumguy8800 -
speak?04:59, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
So ya know, drop what I said about the contrasts and lighting too. The first image is a lot better than the edited, which I viewed. I still oppose due to the poor surroundings and lack of focus on the actual bridge..
drumguy8800 -
speak?05:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Is it just the blurriness that you don't like about the edit I made? I rotated it slightly and tried to smooth out the JPEG artifacts, which unfortunately does smudge it up a bit. I was hoping that the edit would appeal to people who would've oppose based on the severe artifacting. ~
MDD469623:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose second. The second is not as good as the first. (I only don't support the first because I only support images created by wikipedians, but I do not oppose the first). --
Gmaxwell06:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)reply
( + ) Support I really like the atmosphere. Being a country kid it is always wierd going into the city and seeing how the night sky looks - too bright and red --
Fir000202:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It's not a bad picture, but all in all there are just a few too many things I don't like about it: the poles in the foreground, the fact that you don't see all the way to the other end of the bridge and the lighting makes the wires in the bridge hard to see.
enochlau (
talk)
06:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Nice shot, but somehow this doesn't really impress me. Maybe it's the dull color, the brown clouds - just a general murkiness, and the angle of the shot doesn't show the bridge at its best. --
Janke |
Talk08:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I nominate this picture because it has already been awarded featured picture status on the commons. I also believe that this is a beautiful picture. This photo was taken by
Andrew Choy
Oppose - Early on the standards for FP were somewhat lower than they are now (not in 'theory' but in practice yes)
[4],
[5] and this image would've probably been adequate, but lately the quality of images here has risen so high that for beter or worse, I think the standard for acceptance has changed as well. This is a nice idea for a photo but the focus is unfortunately really rather poor, at 1/50th second exposure there is no reason it should be if focus was properly manually set to . I can't support it for FP. --
Deglr632809:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Below standard FPs can be unfeatured. And the Yarra pic definately should. It's not eligible anymore anyhow sice it is not used in any article.--
Dschwen11:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - I like it, but it appears that the other Wikipedians don't. Tell me, if that a motorway [highway] going into the airport? --
Kilo-Lima12:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
No, it's the main road connecting the terminals and parking garages with US Highway 101. It goes under the international terminal (that's the silver box with the slatted roof) and into the toroidal parking structure (all the area between the terminals) and the pick-up/drop-off points for each terminal.
Here is a google map. --
Finlay McWalter |
Talk20:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. I think it's good. Reason for unsharpness IMO can be also in movement of plane with photographer. If you think it's unsharp, I've tried simple sharpening filter + downscaling File:SFO at night downres.jpgFilter + scaled to 1300x866, so you would have to oppose on base of low resoltuion :) ...IMO with more advanced processing sharper image can be optained even at full resolution: a quest for Gimp/Photoshop/... wizards :) --
Wikimol20:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. I know how difficult a night shot like this must be. As for the downscaling/sharpening. Forget it. You'll get no increase in information content only loss by fumbling with the picture. --
Dschwen07:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support, I don't see anything wrong with the original image. The downscaled image was only smaller and I saw no increase in sharpness. If we're going to have it, leave it at full size. --
Mgm|
(talk)08:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. It's attractive, and it's representative of the subject. Moreover it passes a very important test for any featured-picture - if you'd never seen an airport (or this airport, indeed) does the article&picture tell you a lot more useful information than the article without the picture. This passes that test very well, I think. --
Finlay McWalter |
Talk20:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose Sorry. Badly lit, not exceptional, badly framed, background detracts. A macro photo slightly side on would be better, to show the 3D structure of the resin drips. —
Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ11:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Uncle Sam, half-length portrait, pointing at viewer as part of the United States government effort to recruit soldiers during World War I.
The most famous military recruitment poster, at least in the United States (and surely that's all that matters ;-)). The "I Want You" image of Uncle Sam has become iconic, and the subject of
countless parodies. This is a high quality scan of an original poster from 1917, not a modern remake.
Strong Support. Very good, high dpi, quite famous, of great historical value. Well worth it. One problem - the image on the description page is fine and great, but when clicked on it takes me to a very small and slightly different version of the picture. I'll see if uploading it to Wikipedia again works. —
Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ11:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
It's not necessary to upload the image twice. You simply have to clear your cache by going to the
image and pressing CTRL and F5 at the same time. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-8 17:02
Neutral Very nice flower but I agree with Camerafiend and also the bokeh is very distracting (but hey, that's not your fault). --antilivedT |
C08:55, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
OK I can understand that, but if I decreased the aperture the background would have become even more prominent and the flower may have become lost. Also shutter speed would have been a problem with a moving object (wind) in the shade --
Fir000223:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)reply
But fir002, you can't use your own (and physical) limitations as a justification for a photo that has others believe has flaws. It either is or it isn't FP quality in their mind and the reasons why you couldn't do it differently shouldn't really matter to them, unless it is an exceptional photo that didn't allow for better planning. I do agree that it is difficult to get a macro shot with pleasing bokeh and good depth of field though. Perhaps you could have taken the photo looking down at the flower rather than from the side. I don't know if it would have improved the composition but its just an idea. I also know you can't please everyone. :)
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)00:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I guess I should have made myself more clear. Disregard what I said about shutter speed that was merely as an after thought. My main point is that the low DOF makes the picture look good IMO because it focuses on a central subject - the center of the flower --
Fir000201:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose I am fine with the front and back petals being out of focus, but the stigmas and anthers are out of focus. Since they are the important organs of a flower, and they look quite different to most flowers, it would be best for them to be in focus. --
liquidGhoul02:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
They are all very good, and very close to FP, but there is something small annoying me in all of them. I tihnk number 2 is the best, but it is out of focus in the front instead of the back. Number 6 is good with focus, but the lighting is distracting. I think you chose an incredibly difficult subject, and needed some luck to get both good lighting and focus, especially if it was windy. --
liquidGhoul06:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Number 3 is the best (although you haven't listed it). I support it. The lighting and focus are good, the only problem I can see, is that a leaf is partially obstructing the flower. I have no problem, as it adds more encyclopaedic value, and it doesn't really distract. But I don't know if others will see it that way. I really like the flower bud as well. --
liquidGhoul07:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Regretful Oppose Sorry just not enough of the key structures of this flower are in focus for an encyclopaedic FP. I agree with
liquidGhoul that
Image:Passionfruit_flower03.jpg has the best encyclopaedic value, showing the context of the flowers and a well-shot bud, and I might just support that one but it isn't the most pleasing aesthetically which is why you didn't list it above, I guess.
Image:Passionfruit_flower06.jpg has the important bits in focus but unfortunately the highlights are burned out. These photos are a very worthy contribution to the encyclopaedia but I can't support them for FP. ~
Veledan •
Talk19:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose - If you have a flower photo that you think deserves FP its going to need to be utterly mindblowing to make it. There are already too many flowers imho.--
Deglr632807:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose, somehow the flower doesn't stand out very well, background too messy. Also, there's that depth-of-focus problem... --
Janke |
Talk06:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: I wish more of the castle was showing in the picture... I'm undecided here. The emphasis of the picture seems to be more so on the landscape than the castle --
JPM08:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I think it is a bit smalish and there seems to be scaffolding on the castle. Does it add significantly to the Liechtenstein article? In my opinion it rather misleads you into thinking it is some Heidi fairytale country. --
Dschwen12:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - to JPM: the article the pic illustrates is Liechtenstein so the landscape is the focus, not the castle. To Dschwen: the scaffolding is a tiny part of the pic and doesn't stand out. When I went through Liechtenstein a few years ago the landscape was indeed fairy tale so no problem there-
Adrian Pingstone20:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
This is the famous photo of self-immolation of Buddhist monk Thích Quảng Ðức on a busy Saigon street in 1963 in protest of the Vietnamese government's repressive policies on Buddhism. This is an important photograph, both historically and for the illustration of
Self-immolation and
Thích Quảng Ðức. It is of reasonable resolution for a photograph of its era.
Oppose - This is a cropped version of the original, which is a lot better. Theres no copyright or source information on here either. The talk page suggests it's just a cropped version of the RATM album cover. -
Hahnchen06:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This is a cropped version, the full version of the original photo would look like
this. Also, it has no licensing tag. If someone could find a big-enough copy of the original, and were to tag it, I would support it. -
JPM |
06:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment:This site says that a
different picture is from a 1963 issue of Time Magazine. I'm not sure of the copyright regarding that, though. If no one can find out the copyright information, then maybe it can be uploaded with the {{
Fairuseunsure}} template? -
JPM |
17:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose for FP unless a legit licence can be established, preferably for the original full photograph. I agree the pic and subject are incredibly striking and worthy of FP, and we should keep this (much reproduced and widespread) pic under fair use even if we can't find a free licensed version, but we can't have copyrighted fair use pics as FPs. The terms of Fair Use prevent us showing the images in other contexts (e.g. FP galleries). ~
Veledan •
Talk20:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment. I changed the photograph so that it's not the one from the Rage cover. I've also posted the relevant info about the picture on its
page.
Comment due to the incompatible license the nomination might as well be removed right now. Memorable photographs will have to do for this one. --
Dschwen21:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Peaceful and calm image of the
Draget Canal in
Sweden. Note the strange, greenish color that the algae give the water. I created and uploaded the image.
A high-res, clear shot of a green gecko for the
gecko article.
NOTE: Not sure if this is policy or not, but I'd like to withdraw this image and replace with
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Gecko Revision, which is farther up the page. This image can either be left to run its cycle and be dismissed or the votes can be crossed out.
( − ) Oppose I think photo of a lizard has got to either be a close up of the head or the entire lizard. The gecko however is cut off, and the image isn't sharp enought/high enough res to get a good crop of the face IMO --
Fir000202:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose I really like the head, but I would like to see the entire gecko. Also, for a gecko shot, the feet are incredibly important, and they are concealed by a stick. --
liquidGhoul02:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Distinct color difference between background and gecko - high quality, shows the small bumps on gecko's skin, as well as other important details (color around eyes, white bottom, small white dots on back).
Since it's a completely different picture, you might want to start another FPC section for it, otherwise it's not going to receive the same amount (and time) of exposure as it would otherwise.
enochlau (
talk)
23:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
"The Blue Marble" is a famous photograph of the Earth taken on 7 December 1972 by the crew of the Apollo 17 spacecraft at a distance of about 45,000 kilometers or about 28,000 miles. It is one of the most widely distributed photographic images in existence. Earth is said to have the appearance of a child's marble in the photo; that is the Earth has the same aspect at this distance as a child's marble at about arm's length.
This photo is of Africa, Antarctica, and the Arabian Peninsula as taken en route to the Moon by Apollo 17's Harrison Schmitt on December 7, 1972.
A picture of the
International Space Station in Orbit over the earth in August 2005; it was photographed from the
Space Shuttle Discovery during the
STS-114 Return to Flight mission. This picture is from the commons, and is already a featured picture there.
Oppose. No picture of this quality should go through FPC unanimously. ;) lol Or, if you prefer, it's unbalanced, poor composition, and interesting only from an intellectual standpoint, not a visual one.
Zafiroblue0506:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC) (the date's wrong; forgot to sign it *sheepish look*)reply
Support Wow! This is such a cool picture. I have seen many pictures of the ISS but this is one of the best. It has so many detail. Cool! --
Davpronk10:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose - I feel really bad opposing this, because it is a nice picture from far away. The major problem would be its pretty out of focus.. the biggest problem I have with it though is that it appears to be in a zoo or some kind of artificial habitat? The natural habitat would be more fitting for an encyclopedia article.
drumguy8800 -
speak?04:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Unfortunately the focus isn't great - the python's head is well out of focus and it appears to have been shot through glass in a zoo as there seems to be diffraction.
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)04:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment. If it were sitting in a clearly visible box or curled around an iron bar or something I could see why that would be a problem, but it's on a relatively natural looking branch in an otherwise all-black environment. The python's surrounds aren't conspicuously artificial, and don't really detract from the image, IMO.
—DO'Neil04:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I don't think the background detracks from the bright color of the bird - if anything, it adds to it. It's an odd color, but it somehow complements the bird itself well - compare to a similar picture with nondescript leaves or branches or something. I like this picture. That being said, there's an odd blurry thing at the bottom to the right of the bird, and it's merely a good picture, not a great one. Weak oppose.Zafiroblue0522:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose What article is this picture in? According to the
File links, it is not listed in any article. Also, "Ramphastos swainsoni" does not link to an article. Either make the
article a redirect page to "Toucan" and put the picture on the Toucan page or create an article for the specific species, with the picture in it. This is a good photo, and when you have it in an article, I will again support.drumguy8800 -
speak?15:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. If the green had some texture it would be a nice aspect of the photo, but it's just a solid color more or less, so I don't think it's FP worthy. --
JPM06:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral Actually I think the solid green background is one of the main features. Unfortunately due to the low res I can't support, but still a good photo. Uploaded an edit without the distracting thing at the bottom center of image --
Fir000211:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral. I actually think the green complements the bird quite well. However, in the full sized image, there are compression artifacts on the black feathers, and the yellow feathers are washed out.
enochlau (
talk)
06:17, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose (strongly executive veto nay nay nay if anyone cares), not used in any article. Just as a comment, the edit oversaturates a bit and check the birds belly. I think the edit removed detail which might been part of the bird! (still oppose pixel pushing in general) --
Dschwen10:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
My bad, I didn't think that edit would be replaced so quickly. Still have to oppose edit according to my comment concerning the quality of the edit. --
Dschwen11:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The flaw in the edit has not been adressed yet. Am I the only one who is bothered by it? First of all, why remove the branch the bird is sitting on? Then why remove part of the bird? --
Dschwen23:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Well spotted, part of the bird's gone missing. Although as for the branch, I don't think that's a major problem since the bird isn't sitting on that part of the branch - the bit removed just happens to be in the foreground, no real loss of encyclopedic value. However, if I would prefer it if the bottom part were cropped off instead of photoshopped out.
enochlau (
talk)
03:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Agree - do a crop, and we can get out of the nitpicking about whether to retouch or not. In this case, the touch-up did nothing to destroy the encyclopedic value. Crop slightly at the top, too, to balance the composition. The colors in the edit are more to my liking, though. --
Janke |
Talk08:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: This one needs some creative brightness/contrast adjustment - it's murky! If no-one else grabs it, I'll do it in a couple of days... --
Janke |
Talk06:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose. Actually, I think this is a bit blurry at its full size. If someone could sharpen it then I'd support it. -
JPM22:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment If it is only a simple correction, you can just upload the edit over the original. We only really need to see edits if they differ significantly. ~
MDD469604:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose The mountain doesn't look that good to me. Maybe if the picture was closer it could give some height to the mountain. --
Ali K13:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment The title makes it clear it is the mountain range which is the subject of the image. However even then probably still too small.
Mark8312:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The photograph features the facinating night view of the
Victoria Harbour of
Hong Kong in two layers, with
Tsim Sha Tsui,
Kowloon Peninsula in the foreground, the
Central,
Hong Kong Island (the opposite side of the harbour) in the background. In the foreground is a
Star Ferry, one of the oldest cross-habour transportation in Hong Kong, parking at the pier. In the backround are the
International Finance Centres (the taller "2 ifc" on the left and the shorter "1 ifc" on the right), which was constructed in recent years. The foreground and the background create a strong contrast between the old and the new in Hong Kong. This photograph was taken by Alan Mak, the nominator, in December 2005, and appears in the articles
Star Ferry,
International Finance Centre and
Tsim Sha Tsui.
Oppose. I was just in HK not long ago, and I absolutely love the harbour (beats Sydney anyday). But this photo just doesn't do it justice.
enochlau (
talk)
06:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Small, at this size it should be perfectly clear, but it isn't. Also the fileformat. PNG? On the plus side, I think it captures the mood ok (has been a few years since I went). --
Dschwen14:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support It may be a little blurry (or vignetted) on the left, but it's not too bad. I like the colors, and the image itself - it looks like a giant wave rolling in.
Zafiroblue0521:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment Being lazy, and not wanting to study the article, can the photographer tell us what this is, please? Is it a mountain scene, a glacier or a frozen lake (I'm just interested) -
Adrian Pingstone22:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Very nice. It would be extremely difficult to get an image of higher quality. (Remember that it is much easier to get a high quality image of a cathedral or skyscraper than of a remote and dangerous geological formation!) -
Blake's Star02:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Since later eruptions have changed the landscape there this is a historic photograph - so technical imperfections are more acceptable. And it is an impressive picture. --
Calderwood18:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Fire generated by a burning weed. No use of petrolExisting FP
I think this is a good replacement for the existing FP photo I took with my old Kodak. Higher res and quality IMO. Of course if you feel there is space for two fire FP's I'd be happy with that too :-)
Support. From the thumbnails, the second picture (existing FP) looks more dramatic because of the more saturated colors, but the detail at high res in the first one is great.
Phils12:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)reply
WP:WIAFP says that pictures should be, "Be displayed with a descriptive, informative and complete caption." I think the picture looks nice and would suggest you take it to commons, but I see you have already done that.
BrokenS14:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral. Ok, but something I like in the current one is that I can see where the ground is. In the proposed one, the fire doesn't have context.
enochlau (
talk)
06:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Quality is great, much better than the original FP. But the flames look too much out of context to significantly contribute to any article the other FP is contributing to. --
Dschwen10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Because it is now used in an article where it fits? That should be the case for every picture on wikipedia. Don't get me wrong the image quality is realy outstanding, but if you check the
flame article you'll see that the other picture adds more to it in an encyclopedic way, explaining the different flame colors.--
Dschwen07:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose, the existing FP is visually better. The new nomination feels "frozen", doesn't convey the dynamics of the flames as well. --
Janke |
Talk08:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
My own image.
Trickey Pond is a beautiful pond, sought out for its beauty by photographers around the
state. I believe it clearly illustrates the pond, as well as being quite eye-catching.
Oppose The trees are too dark (it needs to be encyclopaedic), and I don't like the fog. Compare with the sunset featured pictures, and this isn't as high quality. --
liquidGhoul10:28, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I took this image on my way to
South Korea. It shows the architecture from a different point of view than the main floor as well as showing the trains that allow passengers to effortlessly move from one end of the linear terminal to the other end. The image is shown in the article about
DTW in the Edward H. McNamara Terminal section.
Oppose I don't like how the train is blurred. If it's going to be blurred, it should be very blurred. Otherwise, it should freeze the train in motion. --
vaeiou19:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose For now. Maybe you could get rid of the misty shading of the flower on the second image. It looks distractive to the eyes.--
Ali K13:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose Neither is (are?) OK in my view. Each of the spread-out petals of version 1 is blurred. On version 2 the curious white glow around the petal edges is annoying -
Adrian Pingstone16:40, 15 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Multiwavelength
X-ray image of the remnant of Kepler's Supernova,
SN 1604. (Chandra X-ray Observatory)
As stated on the picture of the day site, the purpose of the POTD should be to pique the reader's interest and add significantly to content. An image like this accomplishes both, not to mention its quite beautiful.
The image appears in
Supernova, and was created by
User: Janderk and originally seen via NASA's
Spitzer Space Telescope.
Tentative oppose. There was one very similar to this a little while ago, wasn't there? It looked a little better than this... I'll try to find it.
Zafiroblue0503:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I was thinking of . But never mind... This article is already featured. (I think it's inferior to the other one, and similar enough to it to even warrant delisting, but whatever.)
Zafiroblue0503:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. FPC's on Wikipedia don't necessarily need to be captivating. But nonetheless, I think this is a great photo -- it's in a high resolution, and has good lighting and nice scenery. -
JPM01:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support I don't really think the bird should be named in the picture caption, it is rather small and not obvious. I like the hay bale though, its a good image and looks interesting, especially to a person who has never seen one before! --
Ali K10:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support, I like how the bale is in focus and it's surroundings aren't. And it's quite informative for people who are used to square hay bales or who haven't seen any at all. -
Mgm|
(talk)10:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Not promoted . Close, but with seven supporters (eight including nominator) and four opposers (five including the anon) I can't say there was consensus to promote.
Raven4x4x06:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Just a beautiful image which portrays the considerable distance between this newly discovered satellite and the sun perfectly.
Article appears in
2003 UB313 and is in the public domain being created and released by NASA
Huh? There are no real photos (2003UB313 is further out than Pluto) save little starlike patches of light, and are probably not going to be in the lifetime of most of us present. No vote.
Denni☯00:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
The Formal Gardens at
Lake Forest Academy in Illinois. This was formerly the estate of Chicago meat baron
J. Ogden Armour; it was later bought by the school. Beautiful place. I took this photo myself.
Oppose I think that it would have been a totally different picture if it had been taken from a higher point. Nice hedges though. --
Ali K11:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)reply
High resolution, catches the eye in its own unique way, and illustrates
its article perfectly. Specifically, it illustrates the counter-refuting method used in the
SAT. Rather than leave the page entirely blank (and leave the nervous student worrying that he got a defective test), and rather than add a self-refuting message like "This page is intentionally left blank", they chose an appropriate alternative.
Very crisp and high contrast, could use a little cropping though. No seriously, you've gotta be kidding! Here is another self-refuting message: I won't even dignify this one with an oppose ;-) --
Dschwen22:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I think this one is taking the "...illustrating article content particularly well..." concept a bit too far. Might as well have a a blank box, and link it to the article
White. Sorry if that sounds too harsh. -
JPM04:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose Crisp, clean and attractive image. Nice use of colours, there's just something that is bugging me about it...--
Ali K11:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment: There are a couple of flaws I'd like corrected before supporting: 1: The buildings lean to the left in an odd way - maybe the stitching should be re-done, or the whole image rotated slightly clockwise, and 2: A little sharpening (maybe "unsharp mask" filtering), and after that some downsampling, to reduce the unnecessarily large size, which would also improve the apparent sharpness. --
Janke |
Talk19:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
OK. Rotated by 0.7 deg and buildings seem perfect now. Applied some USM and downsampled in resolution slightly. Please see version 2.
chowells20:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral, nice work, I can only see one oddity, the duplicated car on the right bridge. I'm reluctant to support since the subject is not really stunning. --
Dschwen20:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I'd like to shoot the person who decided the ISO setting on the 20D should be hidden away. Still, not terrible for accidentally leaving it in ISO 1600 mode ;)
chowells15:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Agree with Fir002. For the record Chowells, you could probably tell by looking at the the shutter speed and aperture that something was strange if it was at ISO 1600. A panorama like that should be shot at ISO100 so the shutter/aperture would have been 16 times faster/more stopped down. ;). I'm not saying I've never made that mistake before, but I usually pay more attention when I'm creating a panorama. You have all the time in the world to get things right!
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)16:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Yes, I only got the camera at christmas, that was the first time I've used it properly. I will definitely be checking the ISO more carefully in future.
84.9.223.8218:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment - but it does show the busy dock to advantage, I do like the mixture of tugs and sailing vessels. However, the leftmost brick building is still leaning in an awkward way... Reducing the size somewhat further (it doesn't have to be 18,000 pixels wide!) would remove some of the noise. --
Janke |
Talk08:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Solipsist took this picture of the Great Court at the
British Museum. It is used in that article and I think it is an excellent picture of a striking piece of architecture and engineering.
Support. It's very clear and it illustrates the geometry of the structure well. The roof part is almost like as if it came out of a maths program!
enochlau (
talk)
15:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak Support, any version. Nice, sharp shot. My only gripe: The mirror-image lettering at lower left. Yes, I know it's a transparent sign seen from the back, but it still detracts... --
Janke |
Talk19:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. If there was an article on
geometric vibrance, this could probably go there. :) — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-17 22:24
Neutral Dull coloration. Maybe raise contrast and saturation / darken it a bit?— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Drumguy8800 (
talk •
contribs)
Support I think this is a particularly interesting picture. Image 2, although image one isn't that bad either. --
Ali K09:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose - I'm sure that a panoramic view of the interior would be more visually appealing and representative of the space. -
Hahnchen06:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Promoted Image:British Museum Great Court roof.jpg. In the absence of any real consensus on which version to promote, I promote the original.
Raven4x4x08:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I think this picture adds a lot more to the flower-fly article as the actual fly occupies a lot more of the frame and is shown from a better angle. --
Dschwen15:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Someone just nominated it on commons. But in any case, having a superior picture is a pretty good reason to oppose this nomination. --
Dschwen12:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. When viewed full size, looks like it has been processed and sharpened into oblivion. There are strong haloes around some of the edges and it appears overly washed out and unnatural. The flower itself appears posterized and lacking in texture, but it could be due to being out of focus. I'm not considering nominating it right now, but I feel I have a better image here -->
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Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)16:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Washed Out? I don't quite follow you there - it seems to me as perfectly saturated. I also fail to see any haloes, let alone "strong" haloes. There is a little compression where there is fine hairs, but that is what you get with jpeg. Also with all due respect I think your photo is a little washed out and unsharp. --
Fir000200:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Well, can you see that the yellow part of the flower lacks definition and seems
posterized? The sides of it have strange highlights. They don't look like genuine highlights as they're sort of pale, so I don't know what they are. I can only guess that it is posterization anyway. We're obviously not on the same page here as I think my image looks more balanced and yours looks washed out (when I said that, I was refering to the flower - the fly is overly contrasty actually, so I guess I should have been specific).
Diliff |
(Talk)(Contribs)04:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Well personally I think that is one of the strong points. So many photos of hoverfly's are top down because that is pretty easy (couple examples from me {not including the rest on the article)
1,
2,
3,
4). And getting a shot that is side on is quite unusual and I find more interesting --
Fir000200:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose I would much rather a better view of the fly, either from the top or slightly angled. This version misses vital markings on the back of the fly. The background is disturbing. The fly doesn't take up enough of the frame, if it were cropped to just include the fly, it would be far too small for FP. --
liquidGhoul12:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support It'd be nice to have it at higher res, but a nice photo nevertheless. --
Fir0002
08:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose Not sure why the tilting of the picture necessarily matters, but this image doesn't have any kind of spectacular value to it. Maybe knowing someone in the picture could pull at your heart strings somewhat, but otherwise its just another snapshot. Beyond that, there's nothing going on in the photo.
drumguy8800 -
speak?
04:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Support --
Romeo Bravo
22:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose nice image, but i like commons image mentioned above better --
rogerd
03:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Neutral I thought for a while on this one but couldn't decide either way. It's a good photo because of the difficulty of the capture (getting the nice exposure), but I agree with
Mark
1, it's oversaturated and looks fake. I would upload an edit but with your response to my other edits I think I'll leave it up to you. --
Fir0002
07:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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as the actual fly occupies a lot more of the frame and is shown from a better angle. --
Dschwen
15:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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