The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot ( talk) 30 May 2020 [1].
This article covers the " ship" of Captain America and Bucky Barnes, fictional characters that appear in media produced by Marvel Comics. The article covers an overview of the characters' mutual history as it relates to the fandom, analysis of the fandom drawn from media and academic sources, and the response to the fandom by relevant individuals associated with the characters.
I wrote this article because I wanted to write an encyclopedic article about a topic that, on its face, is extremely "unencyclopedic". I attempted to avoid fancruft as much as possible, focusing the majority of the article on analysis of Stucky as phenomenon in fandom (though some plot and character context is necessary to establish why it is a phenomenon in the first place). The article has successfully passed GA and DYK reviews, and I am hopeful that it's ready for FA status. Morgan695 ( talk) 23:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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I am probably one of the few people on this planet that has never watched a single MCU movie, but I always appreciate some good slash fiction lol. Below are my suggestions:
I think you have done a wonderful job with this article, and it is great to see this type of topic being represented in the FAC space. I have gotten through the lead and "Overview" section, but I promise to add my comments about the rest of the article by the end of the week. Apologies for the delay. I just want to make sure I read through the article thoroughly. I hope my comments are helpful and have a great rest of your day. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:20, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
This is my last point. Once it is addressed, I will support this for promotion. Aoba47 ( talk) 01:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC) |
Comment "ship name given to the slash pairing of" contains terminology that is unknown by the lay reader. The sentence needs to be replaced by one that explains the concept entirely in common English, especially since it's the first sentence.— indopug ( talk) 15:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm sorry this doesn't have more reviews.
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File:Gwenpool Stucky Panel.png: archive the source.
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I do not believe that File:Gwenpool Stucky Panel.png meets non-free content criteria #8. The scene, which is not itself discussed anywhere outside of the thumbnail, is supposed to illustrate Marvel acknowledging the existence of the ship. This is done more than adequately by prose alone in the "Response" section, and on top of that, the text in the image is unreadable due to the image size, so whatever message it's supposed to convey, it isn't doing.
If featured articles are supposed to represent the best that this project has to offer, they need to - in my opinion - follow the NFCC most stringently. Right now, because of the presence of this image and the lack of in-article prose to justify its inclusion, I don't think that the article meets criteria 3 of WP:FA?. The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 23:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
I'll copyedit as I read through; please revert anything you disagree with.
Gavia Baker-Whitelaw of The Daily Dot notes: I'd avoid the use of "note" for anything other than direct statements of fact; it implies that what follows is definitely true. I think "argues" would work here. You also have J. Richard Stevens "noting" something further down; I'd make that "commenting" or something similar.
While Rogers and Barnes appear in both Infinity War and Endgame, comparably less time is spent on their relationship: suggest "Rogers and Barnes appear in the next two films, Infinity War and Endgame, but less time is spent on their relationship".
These online communities are typically majority female, in contrast to the majority male mainstream comics fandom: "Mostly" might read more naturally than "majority" in both cases here.
Without canonical material that can be drawn from, these particular works often maintain a high degree of historical fidelity: why "particular"? and I don't think the phrasing works here. Do you mean something like "Although there is no canonical material to draw from, these works are faithful to the real-world history of the gay subculture of 1940s New York"?
Stucky represents both the objectification and subjectification of Steve Rogers as character: I don't understand this.
It has only been in the last decade that fan writers have become more willing to label the characters of these stories gay, or at least bisexual; especially in the 1970s and 1980s, fans wanted to distance beloved characters from the stereotypes and even the identity of gayness. Instead, they depicted the men as sharing a great, transcendent love that eliminated the boundaries of gender. Indeed, it was an article of faith that neither man would have had same-sex sex prior to their romantic involvement with each other...So the issue is not about whether early slash works depicted sex or romance, which they did, but the way in which they depicted those things. I remember one of the arguments I was going to make if this article got AFD'd was that Stucky is notable as a phenomenon in fandom because it represents an evolution of how slash fandom deals with gay identity: the way that Kirk and Spock fanworks often depicted the characters as having the referenced "transcendent" love that defied labels and sexuality represented an unwillingness by fan creators to engage with gay identity, whereas Stucky fanworks often depict the characters as explicitly identifying as gay or bisexual, being confronted with homophobia, facing inner turmoil over their sexual identity, partaking in gay culture, etc.
Stucky as a phenomenon in shipping is notable in that it devotes significant focus to the characters' imagined homosexuality or bisexuality. If I originally read that as referring to their sexual interactions, and not to the cultural or social positioning of the protagonists, then others are likely to as well. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 13:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
In the specific case of #GiveCaptainAmericaABoyfriend, The Hollywood Reporter noted that the campaign "highlights demographic shifts that have yet to be reflected in the texts audiences are responding to," in reference to the popularity of Stucky relative to the lack of LGBT characters in superhero films.This seems a bit wordy, given that much of what it says beyond the quote is already in or implied by the previous sentence. Unless I'm missing the point I think this could be attached to the previous sentence with a comma: '..., and noted that the #GiveCaptainAmericaABoyfriend campaign "highlights demographic shifts that have yet to be reflected in the texts audiences are responding to".'
it's great to see people argue about it what that relationship means: looks like an extra word got dropped into the quote? If this is the real quote a "[sic]" after "it what" might be worth it.
Generally this is very well-written and well-structured. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 13:25, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Gavia Baker-Whitelaw of The Daily Dotpart makes more sense as "noted" rather than "argued," since she's just describing plot details. She is doing so in the context of applying canon to her own analysis of Stucky, but Rogers disobeying orders and then becoming an international fugitive for Barnes' sake are things that happen as plot, and aren't subjective analysis. Morgan695 ( talk)
Support. This is a well-done article. There's one unstruck point above which doesn't prevent me from supporting, but I'm going to restate it here since I think I failed to make my point clear above. In the lead, you define "shipping" and "slash". Everything in the lead is supposed to be in the body, but those definitions are only in the lead, and not in the body. I was suggesting that you create a new subsection in the body under "Background", perhaps called "Shipping", and put in a couple of sentences of explanation. If you were to do that, you might find it possible to reduce the need for explanations in the lead, which would be good. You could even avoid the unfamiliar terms in the lead completely, only introducing the terminology in the body, but I'm not sure that's the best approach. Anyway, that was what I meant to say; I don't think it's a big deal if you don't want to make that change, so I'm supporting regardless. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 22:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)