This article is about a relatively minor Interstate highway that took over 30 years to build because of inter-city disputes on where it should go. This highway passes through one of the most productive agricultural areas in the U.S., especially when it comes to hops and wine. It was promoted as a GA over a year ago and went through a project A-Class Review that only got one review. SounderBruce23:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
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Nikkimaria: I was unable to reach the Ellensburg Library to find out more (as they are closed for an indefinite period), but their catalog lists this as having been published in 1924 and thus now passing into the public domain. The license on the Commons page has been updated accordingly. SounderBruce02:29, 21 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per review at
ACR. My one hesitation was the lack of publishers in the newspaper article citations - not necessarily because I think they're needed but because I've been told that is generally required at FAC. But open to input either way. --Rschen775405:15, 6 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I feel like the original table seems a bit out of place. Either needs a move, or preferably a cull. It's information that's easy to put into prose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
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Removed it, seeing as other two-state Interstates seem to omit it.
A branch highway between PSH 3 and the Columbia River near Plymouth—across from Umatilla, Oregon - could we say "Plymouth, Washington", rather than it be confused with
Plymouth? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
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The section already references several Washington cities without using the state, and Plymouth is already mentioned in the Route description as being in Washington. I don't see the need to disambiguate.
Created a redirect. The concept of a hearings board is somewhat unusual to the U.S. public, but we have some exposure out West due to their significance in land use decisions.
In the lead, you might want to indicate what Interstate it intersects in what town.
Added, though I may rework this later.
You already defined the abbreviation for Interstate 82 in the lead, do not need to do it again in route description.
Removed.
You do not need wikilinks in image captions if those terms are already linked in the prose.
WP:CAP does not say much about wikilinks, but I prefer having them in captions to help catch the attention of readers scrolling through.
Do you know the name of the BNSF line? I know the FRA has a map that shows names of railroad lines. This may be useful information to add.
Added subdivision names.
Referring to SR 397 as a "recently-built highway" will eventually become outdated, so I would remove the part of it being "recently-built".
Fixed.
What freight railroad's track does Amtrak's Empire Builder use? I would add this along with the name of the line as I noted above.
Added.
How many lanes wide is I-82? I see no mention of that detail in the route description.
Added, but I don't think it would fit to include every mention of an auxiliary lane.
I would not use the term "federal numbered highway system" and instead refer to it as the "United States Numbered Highway System"
I don't think it's necessary to use the official title here.
The sentence "$25 million in funding (equivalent to $141 million in 2018 dollars)[37] for the 28-mile (45 km) addition was eventually authorized by the federal government in 1968." should be reworded so it does not begin with a numeral.
Fixed.
"A proposal to add climbing lanes for trucks on the steep grades in the Manastash Ridge between Ellensburg and Yakima was made in the 2000s and remains unfunded as of 2017.", any updates on this? Dough487213:45, 20 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I see you have the traffic data as of 2016.
Washington has eliminated their annual traffic count, and instead has a website with data from 2018, so you might want to update the traffic figures
I'd prefer not to use the portal because it is harder to cite and verify data compared to the spreadsheet. The 2016 figures are still relatively current, so I don't see a problem with keeping them until a more permanent solution is found for all Washington articles.
"The freeway reaches its highest point at Vanderbilt Gap, which is 2,672 feet (814 m) above sea level and only 300 feet (91 m) lower than Snoqualmie Pass on I-90, the lowest major pass in the Cascade Mountains, and begins its southwesterly descent into Yakima County." - this is a bit long, I recommend splitting up
Split up.
I-82 and US 395 travel southward and ascend the Horse Heaven Hills to an intersection with SR 397, a recently-built highway that provides alternative points of access for Kennewick and Finley - 1992 isn't that recent
Fixed.
"$301,000 (equivalent to $5.72 million in 2018 dollars)" - more recent USD?
The figure is generated by a template that will be updated by maintainers.
"The highway incorporated several built county roads and planned but unbuilt roads from Ellensburg to Pasco" - I feel like this could be stronger, but I'm not sure how. It tripped me up when I got to it.
Merged the two and shortened it.
"after it was modified to terminate further west near Stanfield" - farther, not further, I believe
BTW, would you mind reviewing one of the hurricane FAC's that are up? We sometimes have difficulty getting reviews from non-storm people, but those kind of reviews are most important to make sure it isn't too jargon heavy. If not, no prob, but we'd appreciate that. If you road folk ever need reviews, there are plenty of folks from the hurricane gang. ♫
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Does ref 5 need Port of Grandview in the title field?
Removed.
Is it possible to reduce the page range of ref 10 down so it is easier to verify?
As the entire section is used to source the individual mileposts in the Exit list section, I'm afraid not. I can offer a tip: the "ARM" column represents route mileage and page 624 (734 with the native PDF viewer) has the total length in Washington (132.57 miles).
Ref 28, is HistoryLink a reliable source? (and ref 36, and any others)
HistoryLink is written by historians from around the state, including those with newspaper columns and books from reputable publishers (e.g.
University of Washington Press). The reliability question has been brought up in a few of my previous FACs (e.g.
Arlington, WA) and resolved in favor of keeping it.
Well that wasn't exactly a glowing recommendation, so I did a quick check. The
about us page says ...by staff historians, contract writers, volunteers, and consulting experts., so I double checked the authors of each entry that Interstate 82 references to make sure they were not just volunteers in the sense that Wikipedia defines them. According to
their staff page and additional searching on the internet, they are all historians, so HistoryLink should be fine to use. No action needed. Kees08 (Talk)17:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Same page number comment for ref 34. It isn't ideal to have to read ~10 pages to verify something. Can you break them up more? Anything over maybe 3 pages seems excessive.
Fixed, but I might replace it with a different book source.
Possible to switch to a https link for ref 42?
Fixed.
For all the open access links (for example in ref 40), I believe they are presumed open access and the lock symbol is not required/preferred (which is why it doesn't work in CS1)
Removed for now, but I will have to research further to see what these clippings should be marked with (if at all). Either way it'll affect a lot of my editing.
I used to include them, dug into it further, and have excluded them ever since. If you find anything different that makes it sound like including them is a good idea let me know. Kees08 (Talk)07:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)reply
For ref 52, and any other references where it might be ambiguous, can you add the location parameter? I don't think its needed for things like the Seattle Times (though it is nice for consistency and doesn't hurt), but for references like Tr-City Herald it is useful.
For the intended audience, "Tri-City Herald" isn't particularly vague (and the locale is explained in the prose). I have added locations to less obvious ones (e.g. Idaho State Journal).
Well the intended audience is the English-speaking world, so while I think newspapers like The New York Times and The Washington Post do not have to have city names, newspapers like Spokesman-Review, Yakima Herald-Republic, Aberdeen Herald, Tri-City Herald, Corvallis Gazette-Times, The Daily Chronicle, Ellensburg Daily Record, Walla Walla Union-Bulletin (PS, this isn't linked in the first instance), Capital Journal, Oregon Statesman, Albany Democrat-Herald, The Oregonian (I could back off of The Oregonian and Oregon Statesman), it would help with
WP:VERIFIABILITY. I didn't find a policy on this so I guess do whatever you prefer, but don't expect people to know where Capital Journal or The Daily Chronicle are located. Kees08 (Talk)07:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)reply
For ref 55, I think if you wikilink something like United Press International you are supposed to do it in all the references.
Never heard of this requirement, but I'd rather keep things consistent with the "link at first appearance" format used in the rest of the citations.
Well I wouldn't call it a requirement, but see
MOS:DUPLINK, and my real short discussion with Wehwalt at
Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Apollo_15_postal_covers_incident/archive1. Since there is little to no actual policy on formatting, practically everything I suggest is that, only a suggestion. I agree with Wehwalt that they stand alone, and if a reader clicks on a reference and there isn't a wikilink on it, I doubt they are going to scroll through the references, find the first instance, and click on it. Your call on what to do. I prefer to not have them at all :), but if they are to be included, I prefer Wehwalt's thoughts of linking all of them (similar to wikilinking in tables). Kees08 (Talk)07:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Did High Beam change their URL system? Could be useful to find the current versions, archive those, and have the live link.
HighBeam is now defunct, and the replacement (Questia) does not include many back issues of the Yakima Herald-Republic.
For ref 152, believe its just Los Angeles Times
Fixed.
This citation is missing a location: Weird Washington: Your Travel Guide to Washington's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets
Actually, per
Wikipedia:Guidance on source reviewing at FACBooks should be defined in terms of author, title, year and/or edition, and publisher. Publisher location and, where possible, ISBN are usually added, but they are not required by WP:CITE. Consistency requires that these optional fields are either added in all instances or omitted in all instances (except where a book does not have an ISBN). SO based on that, as long as you include locations for all of them or exclude locations for all citations you are in compliance with the minimum standards. Kees08 (Talk)07:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Kees08: I've added the location tags for newspapers without placenames in their title (missed a few the first time around) and to the book citation you mentioned. SounderBruce07:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)reply