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Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust Educational Institutions

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This article has been around for 15 years and has not included reliable secondary sources showing notability (and I am unable to find any). Not to mention it's written in a promotional tone. I tried to remove the non-neutral wording but it does not leave much to indicate significance. ... discospinster _talk 17:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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Paradha

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Fails WP:NFF. No evidence that the film has begun principal photography. Melmann 14:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sivaiah Potla (Surgeon)

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Article about a non-notable orthopedic and surgeon that does not meet WP:GNG. Sources are PR and paid pieces. Jamiebuba ( talk) 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: another version of this article under the title Sivaiah Potla created by a different editor was G11 deleted in May. The unnecessary disambiguation is a tactic used by UPEs. S0091 ( talk) 16:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Narendra Bhooshan

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Non-notable civil servant. Civil servants aren't eligible under WP:NPOL, therefore notability needs to be established per WP:GNG, but the sources cited don't come even close to achieving this, being a mix of appointment announcements, primary sources, and ones where the subject is commenting on something ex officio. BEFORE finds nothing better.

This has been draftified (twice) already, so that's not an option, and I didn't think A7 would stick, hence here we are. The last discussion had minimal participation, so hoping for a bit more this time. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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Disagree: While not cited in this article, this person was head of the early COVID-19 pandemic response in a nationally significant city in India as "the most senior official in the Gautam Budh Nagar district".^[1] Probably warranting an article. Tsarivan613 ( talk) 14:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Are there any sources that discuss what he accomplished during his time as the head of the COVID-19 pandemic response team? If not, this would end up being just like every other regular announcement article. Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 19:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

It looks like he helped arrange an oxygen generation security plan for Noida city during early 2021.^[2] India had been experiencing shortages of supplemental oxygen during the delta variant wave.^[3] Tsarivan613 ( talk) 23:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

The TOI source only mentions his comment on the issue. He gives out interview bytes all the time, since he is the head of the team. This falls under routine coverage and the journal entry does not mention him. Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 05:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment I see a lot of trivial coverage and then some more significant coverage that isn't independent or from WP:RS. But I think this has potential for a !keep if the only concern is notability. Bobby Cohn ( talk) 16:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

References

^ Rajput, Vinod (31 March 2020). "Greater Noida CEO to handle Covid-19 crisis after DM is shunted - Hindustan Times". Hindustan Times. Retrieved 2 August 2024.
^ Sinha, Snehil (24 May 2021). "Noida to form four oxygen supply chains". Times of India. Retrieved 2 August 2024.
^ Moonis Mirza; Madhur Verma; Soumya S. Sahoo; Sanjay Roy; Rakesh Kakkar; Dinesh K. Singh (2023). "India's Multi-Sectoral Response to Oxygen Surge Demand during COVID-19 Pandemic: A Scoping Review". Indian Journal of Community Medicine. 48 (1): 31–40. doi: 10.4103/ijcm.ijcm_665_22. PMC 10112770. PMID 37082381.

Delete: The person's biography doesn't indicate any notability. Routine career and education coverage that reads like a resume of any mediocre official. The 3 articles noted by Tsarivan613 all mention the official as the one who is a part of the Indian Health organization. They don't actually highlight his special role of something really important he did during Covid-19 except for being elected as a supervisor in a specific region. Obviously too early for a separate Wikipedia page. 50.46.167.81 ( talk) 00:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Annu Navani

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 10:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Agree that an h-index of 11 and a total of 952 citations is insufficient for WP:NPROF in medical sciences. -- asilvering ( talk) 17:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Agree with delete, per above Go4thProsper ( talk) 16:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete No significant peer reviews and all the references on her page are from short descriptions on the websites and other primary sources. I went through her publications and can confirm that they are not sufficient to consider the doctor notable per the above and my own search:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Annu-Navani-2 50.46.167.81 ( talk) 00:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Anukul Munshi

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Another non-notable "Mother of Pearl" artist, part of a walled garden of articles on the Munshi/Munsi family. Likely a UPE or COI creation. A BEFORE search returns nothing on this person, and I was unable to verify any of the claims nor the awards. Relies on one author's unverifiable writings on the Munsi/Munshi family that is used in all of these articles. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. Netherzone ( talk) 18:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. There are only two sources listed in references, and they appear to credit the same author, so there are not multiple sources here. They are also apparently offline sources that I am unable to find any record of, so I am not sure that they are independent or reliable or even exist. I have been unable to find any sources. Elspea756 ( talk) 20:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: fails WP:GNG. Youknow? ( talk) 17:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Vedaant Madhavan

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Fails WP:BIO & WP:NSPORT. This athlete is not notable yet, did not win any notable championship and fails Wikipedia guidelines for athlete and biography. Drat8sub ( talk) 14:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Katoch–Sikh war

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A few unreliable sources- Ref 1) by Khazan Singh was published in 1914, and the author is not a historian. Ref 8) by Mark Brentnall is a self published source with no information available about the author. Ref 7) by Amarinder Singh, the author is a politician not a historian. In addition, refs 2) and 3) are improperly cited, do not have a page number or a proper url to a page discussing the subject at hand and thus fail WP:V. The remaining sources make only passing mention of this battle/conflicts between Sansar Chand Katoch and Ranjit Singh, and subsequently focus far more on Chand and Ranjit Singh's alliance against the Nepalis; the actual "war" content between the 2 in these books fails WP:SIGCOV by a long shot. The article's information is best suited as a prelude/context in the page Nepal-Sikh war due to the aforementioned proportionality of coverage surrounding the two's alliance. In addition, the creator of the article created numerous low quality pages to inundate Wikipedia with articles aggrandizing his religion's military history. Southasianhistorian8 ( talk) 19:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sudeepa Singh

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. M S Hassan ( talk | contributions) 06:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: meets WP:NACTOR with at least 2 significant roles in notable productions. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Her only notable role is in Baalveer, rest are recurring/guest roles. M S Hassan ( talk | contributions) 06:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
No. Her role in Action Replayy is also significant. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Not really, her role in Action Replayy is recurring; I have watched the movie, and she is not even listed as part of the starring cast. M S Hassan ( talk | contributions) 16:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Still, it can be considered significant. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete: Clearly fails WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR, nothing is special. Youknow? ( talk) 17:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

The East Is Blue

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This is an article on an essay in a book which itself does not have an article. In all fairness the book itself is notable but no one bothered to write an article on it where I would typically suggest something like this be merged. The essay has a few newspaper articles taking note of it (still mostly in the context of the book, and largely before the book released, but outside of the times piece they mostly read as press release adjacent and are very short. I think the times piece is fine but it's the only thing), and nothing else except passing non-sigcov mentions, not enough for gng. Redirect to Salman Rushdie? Unless someone wants to write an article on the book? I probably would if this was about any other topic. I'm not particularly strong on delete but I feel this is a strange situation. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 09:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete or Redirect to Salman Rushdie#Essays and nonfiction, where the vast majority of his essays don't have articles. fa:شرق_غمگین_است doesn't demonstrate notability either. It's been 20 years since article creation. It's not like WP is losing anything by removing this two-sentence this-essay-exists stub. – sgeureka ^t•
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Keep: https://www.rediff.com/news/2004/aug/09porn.htm ( https://www.news24.com/news24/rushdie-praises-porn-20040808) https://reason.com/2004/08/10/the-salacious-verses/ ; mentioned in https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ed-porn01sep01-story.html, https://wwd.com/feature/exposing-the-exposed-701043-1930810/ ; at the very least redirect to Salman_Rushdie#Essays_and_nonfiction - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply
None of those sources provide SIGCOV of the essay itself. Rediff, News24, Reason, and LA Times have a quote from the essay and some information about Rushdie and/or the book. WWD only provides a sentence about the essay. Significa liberdade (she/her) ( talk) 00:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC) reply
FWIW there was a source on... newspapers.com I think, that I thought looked like sigcov, so that would make two, but this is an essay in a book and not the actual book so I don't think NBOOK rules apply. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 00:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Ankit Menon

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Not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO or WP:FILMMAKER. He's written and sung songs for what appear to be notable films, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. I can't find significant coverage of him in reliable, secondary English or Malayalam sources (അങ്കിത് മേനോൻ). The best coverage of him I could find in a RS was in Malayala Manorama: this interview (primary source) and this article about his music for a film. The rest is passing mentions. Possibly WP:TOOSOON. Wikishovel ( talk) 08:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Celebrations (company)

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Non-notable company per WP:CORP, variously called "Celebrations", Celebrations4U and Celebrations 4U, by its website and the sources cited. No significant coverage of the company itself in WP:RS, just WP:NEWSORGINDIA quotes from its company head in articles about wedding planning. Nothing online about the awards supposedly won, or the awards' significance, or about the company having offices abroad. Borderline speedy deletion candidate, if it weren't for the rent-a-quotes in national press. Strong aroma of undisclosed paid editing in this and other articles by the article creator. Wikishovel ( talk) 19:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Manto (musician)

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I'm not finding much of anything in a BEFORE search on this musician other than YouTube videos of a few of their performances. None of the usual press reviews of notable musicians. The article is part of a walled garden on the Munshi/Munsi family. Of the current citations, the Ghosh book is used as a source in all of these Munsi articles, and it is not clear if it is a connected source. The Eklund source is connected as an extended family member. The musician does not meet inclusion criteria for WP:NMUSICIAN nor WP:GNG. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone ( talk) 18:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Shahmina

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This is an unsourced one-line article. When it was first created back in 2010, it was also unsourced but much longer and blatantly promotional. In the first instance, it should have been deleted per WP:G11. Now, if it were eligible, it should be deleted as an WP:A7, but because it is not, I am nominating it for deletion. Bbb23 ( talk) 15:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. No sources on the page. Page fails WP:GNG and does not warrant a stand alone article on Wikipedia. RangersRus ( talk) 20:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to Shawl: where a mention might be added in the future. Don't see any coverage except stores selling them and a few trivial mentions in journals. C F A 💬 04:29, 3 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Reshma Pathan

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Notability issues Thewikizoomer ( talk) 17:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep, no issues needing deletion have been identified. Geschichte ( talk) 21:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Sources seem to show she meets the general requirements for notability, so that deletion is not necessary, in my view. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep: She is clearly passes WP:NACTOR, including WP:THREE. Youknow? ( talk) 17:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Source review, source 1 is reliable but not independent as it is an interview, source 2 is reliable on the trailer launch about the subject as first stuntwoman Reshma Pathan, source 3 is unreliable, source 4 is reliable with good coverage, source 5 is also reliable with good coverage and source 6 is unreliable. Three sources help with coverage and notability of the subject and her profession as first stunt woman. RangersRus ( talk) 20:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Teri Ore

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Looks like the coverage here is passing mentions in album reviews, interviews, listicles, and viral clips – I'm not seeing a clear WP:GNG or WP:NSONG pass here. theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 09:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Singh_Is_Kinng#Track_listing. All the sources are trivial. The coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. The song is not notable as it has not been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. RangersRus ( talk) 19:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Kaanapponnu

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Unsourced, notability issue. Thewikizoomer ( talk) 17:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment I can't evaluate the source reliability due to the language barrier but the idea that it is unsourced is false, there are two sources here and at least one of them appears to be from a news organization... though India has a problem with paid news organizations so that could be an issue, I am unsure. The other is a forum post. Two of the external links also appear to be news sources that I cannot evaluate. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 18:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirect to Parappurath#Novels. 2 sources on the page, one is an unreliable forum thread and the other is a news site Mathrubhumi. Fails notability because the book has not been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. RangersRus ( talk) 19:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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List of tallest buildings in Lucknow

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Fails WP:NLIST. None of the mentioned buildings are notable by itself and aren't fulfilling GNG. No SIGCOV for the list article alone. Also, WP:NOTDIR. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 10:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per WP:NOTDIR. Not a notable topic. Orientls ( talk) 18:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Very few notable entries to satisfy WP:NLIST. LibStar ( talk) 04:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. Well, I can WP:LINK WP:UPPERCASE WP:STUFF WP:ALSO. WP:PER List of tallest buildings in Chicago (FL), List of tallest buildings in New York City (FL), List of tallest buildings in Miami (FL), List of tallest buildings in Melbourne, List of tallest buildings in Sydney. There has to be more of an argument than "this is a list of tallest buildings in a city, which makes it a directory, which is bad". jp× g 🗯️ 06:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. LibStar ( talk) 06:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

There are over 100 sources for the Sydney list, and many buildings have their own articles, unlike this list for Lucknow. LibStar ( talk) 06:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Every building except 1 in the Chicago list is notable and has an article. Unlike this Lucknow list which has no notable buildings. LibStar ( talk) 09:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:WORDINALLCAPS.

"This needs to be deleted because NOTDIR" is just not true.

Maybe it needs to be deleted, but WNOTDIR is not the reason why.

You can see that this is not the case, and this is now how NOTDIR actually works, by the fact that several city-based lists of tallest buildings are featured articles. If the problem is that this lacks sourcing, that is a separate issue. jp× g 🗯️ 09:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. This isn't a directory, so WP:NOTDIR doesn't apply. But WP:NLIST does, and it fails this standard, as there is no evidence that Lucknow's tallest buildings as a set have "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." There is no such source in the article and I can't find one in my WP:BEFORE search. Moreover, there are vast amounts of unsourced information here and no available reliable sources that would validate the heights of all these buildings. The sourcing that does exist is WP:PRIMARY or based on Emporis, which remains in use on WP-EN but according to many noticeboard discussions cannot be considered reliable. Ultimately, without reliable sources discussing these buildings as a set, this article is an exercise in WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 20:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Red Ink Awards

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Non-notable award. References are all announcements of winners and the majority are unreliable, falling under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. A WP:BEFORE was unable to locate significant coverage that talks about the reward itself. CNMall41 ( talk) 03:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep but move: It looks like these should be written as "RedInk Awards". I don't see WP:NEWSORGINDIA really applying here: These are awarded by the Mumbai Press Club, so any reporting is unlikely to be paid. Coverage of almost any journalism award is going to be a little iffy on independence due to sources written by journalists with personal and organisational interests, memberships, and possibly voting participation (although these ones are juried). If the Mumbai Press Club had an article -- and I'm not sure it should -- I'd be happy with a merge to section. In the absence of that ATD, because there is post-event reporting in national sources and the awards presenters have included a Chief Justice of India, a State Governor, a State Chief Minister, and a federal Minister (indicating a particular level of repute) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5], and it's reasonable for the awards to [continue to] be listed at recipients' articles and this list article facilitates interlinking, I'm landing on retention (possibly slight WP:IAR). ^~ Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~
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I was looking for a good redirect as an WP:ATD but unfortunately one does not exists. "Press Trust of India" and "News Express Service" bylines fit the definition of NEWSORGINDIA 100% though. I am wondering which ones you feel do not fall under that criteria as I would be happy to go back and look (I may have missed something). I think it would be more of WP:ATA as opposed to WP:IAR. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 20:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fakt Marathi Cine Sanman for Best Director

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. This is an award given by a television network. There is no coverage much less GNG coverage of the topic of the article which is the award. North8000 ( talk) 13:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Fakt Marathi Cine Sanman: Not really opposed to Keep as WP:SPLITLIST. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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21st Asianet Film Awards

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One of many WP:CFORKS for Asianet Film Awards created by now blocked/banned user. Sources I find in a WP:BEFORE are not significant enough to show notability for this segment of the award. The information is also covered in the main pace for Asianet Film Awards so this needs deleted or the information about individual winners on that main page needs removed. CNMall41 ( talk) 19:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: WP:SPLITLIST for navigation reasons. Not all years for the awards have their page but that's not a reason to delete those that exist. See category. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It is not a list, it is an event. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 04:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

If only you had opened the link to the guideline you might have had a chance to understand what it says. And, on top of this, your comment is completely absurd. The page uses table format and is about an event. It's not the event itself. But maybe you consider, for example, that BLP pages about actors are the actors themselves and not articles. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Nope. This is about an event with a list of winners. It is not a list article. I am curious how you know if I opened any link or not or why you want to be uncivil. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 10:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

If you indeed open(ed) the link you probably (would have) realise(d) that WP:SPLITLIST does not deal only with "list articles"/"lists" and basically says the same thing as what you yourself say at the end of your rationale, from what I understand of it. You indeed explain that "information is also covered in the main (s)pace for Asianet Film Awards so this needs deleted" (if such is the case, it would seem better to redirect rather than delete, but, anyway), but according to WP:SPLITLIST, it would be even better if one could do as you suggest at the end of the same sentence and edit the page(s), as "the information about individual winners on that main page needs removed."

I don't "want to be uncivil" but, as your latest reply perfectly shows, by the way, your initial reply 1) wasn't actually commenting on anything I had referred to (so I assumed you didn't open the link, and one might even assume you still haven't) 2) offered a completely false and absurd dichotomy, on which I commented with a humorous similar dichotomy, obviously not seriously implying that you do really believe that actors are pages. I apologise if you thought I was saying this seriously and if indeed you have opened the page but did not see it was not dealing with lists only. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the explanation. Just a note that your humor does not come across as humor. It comes across as advertorial which takes away from my enjoyment of editing Wikipedia. But again, I understand now based on your explanation. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 22:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, effectively unsourced. Snarky mind-reading comments not withstanding, even a breakout list requires reasonable sources. Hyperbolick ( talk) 09:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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draft: ? I mean there are sources about who won what award, but just having a wall of text in fancy boxes isn't helping. This needs adequate sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Colors Gujarati

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Lot's of churnalism and unreliable sources, including a lot of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Previously tagged but still cannot find anything in a WP:BEFORE. If anything, recommending a redirect to Viacom18 as an WP:ATD. CNMall41 ( talk) 03:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: "only Gujarati general entertainment channel in the market", as says a bylined article in the TOI. Also see: https://www.afaqs.com/news/media/55161_viacom18-launches-colors-gujarati-cinema-regional-cluster-revenue-grew-by-22-sudhanshu-vats ; https://www.agencyreporter.com/viacom18-launches-colors-gujarati-cinema-2/ or Books : Regional Language Television in India: Profiles and Perspectives (2021); Indian Silver Screen (2021), for example. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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The two links are just regurgitation of announcements that the channel is going to launch. Anyone can put out a press release that gets picked up by the media and re-run in different news outlets. This is not something that would count towards notability. I also do not put much stock in TOI, especially since it looks like it will not be considered towards notability based on current WP:RSN discussion (to be determined of course). -- CNMall41 ( talk) 17:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirect but to Colors TV. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I think redirect to Viacom18#Owned_channels is better. RangersRus ( talk) 18:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to Viacom18#Owned_channels. Poor sources on the page to establish significant coverage on the organization. Fails WP:NCORP. RangersRus ( talk) 18:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Viacom18: Per RR. Doesn't validate a standalone article for the channel since I couldn't find any sources establishing GNG The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Barauni–Lucknow Express

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Since this was dePRODed, I am creating an AfD. In my opinion, the article does not meet guidelines for WP:NOTABILITY. It is not a named service, nor is it any special unnamed service that has some claim to fame, thus it is just WP:ROTM. The article seems WP:INDISCRIMINATEly created and more suited to a rail information website. Arnav Bhate ( talk) 18:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep all listed today Bolierplate statement on each nom that comes down to 'my PROD was rejected, so this is the next step'. Please explain on each of these noms a broader statement as to why you're seeking deletion than the same rationale across all of them. They're also too numerous to ever come to a consensus on all of them, and at worst they will all be redirected to an omnibus article, not deleted. Nate • ( chatter) 18:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Because these are basically the same article, just about different non-notable subjects. There are hundreds of such articles created by a small bunch of users that all follow a similar pattern and that is why the same rationale works for each of them. Arnav Bhate ( talk) 18:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment. The articles about the trains from this list that I have checked appear to be mechanically generated from entries in some database. Their content is mostly identical and each article does not appear to warrant its own discussion. Essentially, we have here a timetable of Indian railroads in a representation that is very inconvenient to use. Indeed these articles can be combined into one table that pretty much will be a copy of the original database. Since a timetable for the Indian railroads must already exist somewhere, a better solution might be to redirect them to a single article about the timetable itself with no details about particular trains, for the latter the article in turn will contain a link to the original, always up-to-date, searchable database. The schedule of regular trains updates many times a year, so we really should not get ourselves sucked into maintenance of these articles. Викидим ( talk) 18:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The timetable: [6]. This website is used in the references of nearly all Indian Railway service-related articles, whether notable or non-notable. Arnav Bhate ( talk) 18:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment It would have been more productive if @ Arnav Bhate had bundled these nominations as I don't expect editors to be able to reply responsibly to every single one. That said, I do think the nomination statement is appropriate; it makes an assertion about lack of notability and offers a rationale. If the rationales are identical, that's an issue for discussion but not a reason to issue a blanket "keep." Dclemens1971 ( talk) 00:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
That said, I do think the nominator should re-do these nominations as a bundle to facilitate participation. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 00:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I had previously done a bundle of nominations, where users commented that they didn't like large bundles for article evaluation purposes. When there are such a large number of articles, one way or the other, there will be a problem. Arnav Bhate ( talk) 09:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete: This article does not meet WP:GNG. It may fall under WP:ROTM. We can instead redirect to a broader article that covers train services in India. Such an article will arrange the details in a more helpful and easy to maintain format. It will also retain the essential info in these many entries.-- AstridMitch ( talk) 19:15, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Note to closer: see concerns at ANI that the AFD !votes by AstridMitch, now blocked, are LLM-aided. Abecedare ( talk) 20:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The link to ANI above is broken (missing a trailing full stop) - see Special:Permalink/1237570534#AtridMitch. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

That link is also broken: it's spelled Special:Permalink/1237570534#AstridMitch. jlwoodwa ( talk) 23:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete all articles about trains that are not special in any way. Per my comment above, Wikipedia is not a place to keep a non-searchable, non-official, never-up-to-date, and bloated with repeated text copy of a railway schedule database that already exists elsewhere and does not have these drawbacks (cf. WP:NOTDATABASE). -- Викидим ( talk) 19:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment it is a train-line. Coverage such as [7] proves it exists, but doesn't demonstrate notability. Is East Central Railway zone a reasonable merge target? Walsh90210 ( talk) 22:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
These articles are about individual trains running the line, AFAIK. They can be merged together (or to some other article), creating a timetable. We do not create articles for each star in the sky, although very detailed databases exist that, just like timetables, can be used to mechanically generate some text for each line in the database. Unlike the sky, the railway timetable keeps constantly changing, creating a maintenance nightmare on top of these WP:ROTM concerns. Викидим ( talk) 00:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It is not a train line, but a train service. The zone article could have a section about operated services, which could contain a list, so in that way it seems reasonable, though I am not in favour of it. Arnav Bhate ( talk) 09:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

comment. I can't let this pass without making a comment. This article is only one of so many articles that a fellow editor has listed en-mass that will likely be deleted. So little effort required to have so much effort deleted and then it's gone from wikipedia. As a wikipedia reader I've looked up trains in India when I've "armchair travelled" after seeing the movie Lion_(2016_film) and this kind of information in wikipedia makes my wikipedia experience better. Finally, I'd like to say thank you to the page creators and contributors. Speaking for myself, your efforts are appreciated. Rockycape ( talk) 03:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Astaire ( talk) 21:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete all Indian train articles. WP:GNG, WP:NOTDATABASE, WP:NOTGUIDE, WP:NOTTIMETABLE all apply here. Zero evidence that these services are independently notable. Astaire ( talk) 21:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I just want to point out that "delete every single article on an Indian train" is not appropriate. Vande Bharat Express, for instance, is clearly notable. What needs to be done is the consolidation/redirection of many of the bare-bones service articles, such as Barauni–Lucknow Express. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 22:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply
There is a difference between a service type, like Vande Bharat Express, "named" trains that have a long history and are reflected in sources, and WP:ROTM point-to-point scheduled trains. The articles targeted for deletion are of the latter type, where the only information about them can be obtained from a train schedule (or sources that copy from such schedule). Consolidation of such information will simply create an Indian train timetable here in Wikipedia, which makes absolutely no sense to me. Викидим ( talk) 01:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

By "all Indian train articles" I mean all the articles that the nominator has listed. I am obviously not arguing to delete articles not listed for deletion. Astaire ( talk) 12:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge this and all the others nominated at the same time per my rationale for deprodding. If these are not individually notable then they should be merged and redirect to a list or similar articles rather than deleted. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

In this case, merging/redirecting these articles would violate WP:NOTDATABASE, because India runs mainly point to point services without any sort of large sense of cohesion or shared corridor/frequency/stopping pattern. That makes attempting to make any sort of article detailing the services basically a timetable which is against policy. Even redirecting to a general article about express trains in India is not a good idea because of the fact the names were made up by the author and are unlikely to be a useful search term. Jumpytoo Talk 05:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Not notable, this is a unnamed train and the "name" is basically "[TERMINAL A]-[TERMINAL B] [TYPE OF TRAIN (Express)]". Jumpytoo Talk 05:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC) reply

1M1B

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Appears like one of the many organizations recognized by UN. However I find the article to be having notability issues. Inviting your comments. Thewikizoomer ( talk) 18:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. Looks like there is significant coverage and proof of notability in the sources used in the article itself, such as the Economic Times, News18, The Hindu, plus the other sources that appear on Google search that are not used on the article. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 11:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
It's not significant enough, Thewikizoomer ( talk) 17:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Speedy keep No clear deletion rationale presented by the nominator. Broc ( talk) 15:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak delete To start with, User:Broc's 'speedy keep' vote should be discarded for determining consensus as a vague pretension about the nominator's statement and not addressing notability concerns. [8] appears reliable at first glance but is not due to WP:FORBESCON. The Hindu piece cited by the first 'Keep' vote [9] is largely about the hiring of Telanganu innovators to the organisation.

In terms of sources actually in the article, however, I have presented a {{ Source assess table}}. I'm admittedly not familiar with Indian sourcing, and WP:NEWSORGINDIA also causes some difficulty in appropriate source analysis of this organisation, so feel free to chip in to anything I might've missed.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Whoareuagain
https://www.un.org/en/civil-society/1m1b-foundation	The United Nations is an accreditor of the subject.	From my analysis, I do not consider it reliable for this article due to its lack of independence.	The entire article is about the organisation.	✘ No
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/india-not-just-observing-the-future-unfolding-but-actively-shaping-it-ruchira-kambo-2794024	This article by the Deccan Herald does not appear to fall afoul of WP:NEWSORGINDIA.	While not listed at WP:RSN, from my analysis, the Deccan Herald is a popular newspaper from the Karnataka area, and should be considered generally reliable.	This article is mostly about India's envoy to the UN, but the organisation receives a few paragraphs of the article.	✔ Yes
https://thebetterindia.com/133481/bengaluru-students-future-leaders-1m1b-un-new-york/	While the article is written in a rather saccharine tone, the source seems independent from the organisation.	? The author of the article, Sanchari Pal, seems to be a frequent contributor to The Better India, but I'm not able to find any information at all about him online.	The article is mostly about the 14 students going to the UN headquarters and not the organisation itself.	✘ No
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/india-not-just-observing-the-future-unfolding-but-actively-shaping-it-amb-kamboj/articleshow/105675027.cms?from=mdr	The Economic Times is independent of the organisation.	? The Economic Times is the business-oriented wing of the Times of India. Per WP:TOI, the Times has a mixed reliability (somewhere between no consensus and generally unreliable), and I don't see anything indicating why it shouldn't be extended to its business counterpart.	The article is largely a regurgitation of the Deccan Herald article (I suppose there's not much room for differentiation when reporting on that story), but it does have some paragraphs dedicated to the organisation.	? Unknown
https://www.news18.com/news/tech/exclusive-open-safe-accountable-internet-what-is-digital-nagrik-campaign-for-students-young-adults-7172539.html#goog_rewarded	News18.com is independent from the organisation.	The article is mostly just a quotation of the founder's own words, so is unhelpful for determining notability.	Most of the article is dedicated to the subject, aside from a few mentions of Mark Zuckerberg.	✘ No
https://www.newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/tech/2020/Jan/23/the-kids-are-artificial-intelligence-right-2093306.html	The New Indian Express is independent of the subject.	? From what I can deduce, the New Indian Express is the southern edition of the Indian Express, which is listed at WP:INDIANEXP as a reliable source. However, I'm not considering it fully reliable because, as with the News18 article, the article is largely quoting off the founder, which obviously decreases its reliability. The article also sounds quite promotional, but that's probably just personal opinion.	The article, while short, is dedicated to the subject.	? Unknown
https://theprint.in/world/indian-youth-activists-changemakers-among-winners-of-diana-awards-in-uk/1649917/	ThePrint is independent of the subject.	The article has a disclaimer at the botton stating, This report is auto-generated from PTI news service. ThePrint holds no responsibility for its content.	The organisation is described in a single paragraph, but most of the article is not about the subject.	✘ No
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/1m1b-and-government-of-meghalaya-sign-mou-to-set-up-indias-second-green-skills-academy/articleshow/108081430.cms?from=mdr	Most of the article is paywalled for me, but I assume it is independent based off source 4.	? See Source 4	? I am unable to determine SIGCOV because the article is behind a paywall. The article seems to be about the subject, but I can't fully confirm it.	? Unknown
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/1m1b-foundation-to-set-up-green-skills-academy-in-hyderabad/article68300273.ece	Yes	The Hindu is considered generally reliable per WP:THEHINDU.	A large part of the article is paywalled for me, but there are more than two paragraphs dedicated to the subject, which is more than a trivial mention as stated in WP:SIGCOV.	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

Overall, the organisation seems to fail NORG, but it's very borderline, so I definitely wouldn't be opposed to keeping, especially if some new sources are found. Whoareuagain ( talk) 00:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

TV9 Kannada

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Unsourced article. Literary found nothing that can help to support WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 ( talk) 07:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. No reliable sources on the page to establish significant coverage on the organization. Fails WP:NCORP. RangersRus ( talk) 22:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

*Don't Delete I think it not to be deleted. Randomiaedit ( talk) 10:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)User Blocked reply

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Khais Millen

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Immediately refunded after soft deletion in 2023 but no change to address concerns in first AfD. Film writer/director who does not pass WP:GNG, WP:NCREATIVE, WP:NBIO. Most sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS if they mention him at all; there's an interview that's a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and a single example of WP:SIGCOV that exhibits all the hallmarks of unreliable content of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Not enough to pass. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 15:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: fairly meets WP:DIRECTOR AND WP:CREATIVE with at least 3 2 notable films directed and 3 2 written (not mentioning the fact he produced. 2); the said films are notable creations that received independent and in-depth coverage mentioning him. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
What part of WP:DIRECTOR are you referring to with "three notable films"? (Only two films he has been involved in even have en-wiki pages and only one of those he directed.) The only criterion I could plausibly see cited is "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work," but there's no evidence that any of his works are "significant or well-known." Dclemens1971 ( talk) 16:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I consider his debut film as director notable enough. See coverage about it online. It has no page yet on WP, true. Added 2 links to the article. Writer: my bad, I had counted Lipstick, which is a short. Even if it's only two or even if it it was only one, he would pass both SNGs because these works can be considered significant, as coverage shows. I'll leave it at that as he is a really clear pass imv.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC) (number of significant films; clarification: 3 or 4 films including 2 directed (Thala; and I count Aakashvani), 2 written (Adithattu and Thala, to which one can add again Aakashvani)); the 1st has received a significant award and is clearly significant imv).- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Comment on the opening assertion in the nomination: sorry but no change to address concerns in first AfD is an inaccurate statement.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Fine, no substantive change. The addition of WP:TRIVIALMENTION citations does not address the concerns in the AfD. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 16:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I beg to differ. If those mentions (trivial or not) allow to verify he had an essential role in notable productions they do address the concerns, especially as one mentioned the award for Best Second film that was not mentioned before, unless I am mistaken. I remember checking them (or even adding some) myself back then. I should leave it at that that, as I had said, sorry. Thanks, anyway. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect. As I noted in the previous AFD, a film he wrote won a second-place regional film award, and for another of his films a child actor won a regional award. Per nomination and subsequent comments by nominator, coverage of the director himself is insufficient per WP:NFILMMAKER. Wikishovel ( talk) 04:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
A redirect (presumably to Thala (film)) would be acceptable to me as an AtD. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 17:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Either to Thala (the apparently better known film) or to Adithattu (the film that won an award) would be fine by me. Wikishovel ( talk) 17:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Pukaar – Dil Se Dil Tak

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I am neutral in this filing but feel a consensus is needed here than deleting the page and redirecting, given that this is an ongoing tv show which satisfies WP:TV. Also I don't find any issues with the current sources of this article, only thing is that more WP:RS sources should be added. Editingmylove ( talk) 06:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete - With only 28 edits you may not be familiar with WP:NEWSORGINDIA which is what all of these references fall under. Nothing reliable to show notability. I would also say that a redirect wouldn't be a suitable WP:ATD based on the objection to it. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 07:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Sony_Entertainment_Television#Current_broadcasts: Not opposed to keep, given existing coverage. A redirect is not only suitable but should always be considered when production, cast and broadcast are verifiable, which the said coverage clearly allows. If someone objected to the redirect, it is most likely because they wished a standalone page, not on principled opposition to keep history and allow further improvement or expansion here or on the target page. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: not enough WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG and does not meet the WP:NFILM criteria. (Also fine with a redirect) — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 09:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: Adding a few references. I don't know if that helps WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovetvshows ( talk • contribs) 11:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment: I was the one that created the plot tab for the show and added stuff to it. I usually just fix the plot or the cast section in TV shows so I am not completely aware of why the deletion might be happening. I would like an explanation and if there is anything I can do to stop the deletion? Whothatwhothatwhothstboi ( talk) 16:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Pinging the relevent people @ CNMall41 @ Mushy Yank @ Alien333 @ Ilovetvshows. I think this conversation should be in the talk page Editingmylove ( talk) 17:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks. @ Whothatwhothatwhothstboi: you may vote if you think the page should be retained (see the template in the corner of the page: how to contribute and deletion process). Ilovetvshows may !vote too. Adding sources certainly can help unless other users consider them not reliable/not independent and maybe someone should explain why most sources have been said to fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA when it does not concern websites or media that are considered generally unreliable (and that are simply not mentioned there), as, not only for newcomers, that might not be completely clear. The quantity of coverage added certainly means something, though. Bylined sources would be better, I guess. Maybe such as https://www.news18.com/entertainment/abhishek-nigam-is-part-of-sayli-salunkhes-pukaar-dil-se-dil-tak-8884431.html, which contains a paragraph that might pass for independent coverage. But I will leave it that as I don't wish to comment any further on the topic and maybe my !vote is clear enough (not opposed to keep- suggesting redirect as a useful compromise, alternative to deletion). - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Fails WP:SIGCOV Imsaneikigai ( talk) 17:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Liz, hello; you mean they have not offered bolded Keep, perhaps? - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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WhatsApp University

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The term is indeed used in India. However, I don't think it has scope beyond a definition. It can be easily integrated in Fake news in India#Modes of distribution ( WP:CFORK). Although start-class, it pretty much looks like a future repository for dumping all fake news spread on WhatsApp. For serious cases, there is already Indian WhatsApp lynchings. Gan Favourite ( talk) 14:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect per WP:NEO. The topic is better covered in Fake news in India#Modes of distribution, and the term is not separately notable. Many of the sources here just contain uses of the term but actually cover the topic (and not the term). Maybe merge a brief mention of the definition in the NDTV article. hinnk ( talk) 04:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Based on the references added, keeping my !vote as is. These links [10] [11] [12] [13] were added to support discussion of a Kerala High Court case. None of these mention the case at all, and none discuss WhatsApp University beyond using the phrase in a headline (two are political cartoons). The statement that "The phrase has…been a subject of stand-up comics" is referenced to a short review of a single comedian, where the topic is recapped very briefly. To Grabup's question below, the existing coverage isn't significant, and we're seeing how trying to present it as such means misleading readers. hinnk ( talk) 05:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: i added some of WP:RS references. and this phrase clearly passes WP:GNG. Youknow? ( talk) 12:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Agree with @ Youknowwhoistheman -- BeLucky ( talk) 13:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect I agree with @ hinnk, the topic can be better covered in Fake news in India#Modes of distribution, other than the defination, there is not much to inside the scope of this article which cannot be put under the Fake news article. Xoocit ( talk) 08:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Enough sources are cited to establish the subject's notability. In my opinion, if there can be a standalone article with sufficient coverage, what is the reason to redirect? GrabUp - Talk 03:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep for now. Sufficient sources have been added to make a reasonable case for inclusion. I am somewhat dubious that this will develop into a full article, so a merge could make more sense down the road. We can cross that bridge when we get there.-- Mojo Hand ( talk) 14:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: For now, however, should be reviosited and if still not fleshed out, should be Redirect as that would be the best move if there is still not much there CassierREDDDD ( talk) 07:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: It is a very common topic in India so it is notable. Perhaps a disambiguation page pointing later to the real Whatsapp University. Sectioneer ( talk) 16:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Here's a stab at a source table. The strongest candidates appear to be a short article in the Navbharat Times, an opinion piece in The Hindu, and an in-depth blog post of questionable reliability. That last one is really a stretch, and I think we'd be hard-pressed to hit WP:3REFS. Even more so to get something large enough that it'd merit being split off from Fake news in India. hinnk ( talk) 02:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:hinnk
https://cyberblogindia.in/the-great-indian-whatsapp-university/	~ Blog, no apparent editorial staff at the time		~ Partial
https://www.thehindu.com/society/whatsapp-indias-leading-university/article24358591.ece	~ WP:THEHINDU, but this seems to be an opinion piece		~ Partial
https://www.tv9hindi.com/business/misinformation-fake-news-will-be-the-biggest-risk-for-world-in-next-2-year-2355348.html		Brief mention, article is actually about a World Economic Forum report on online misinformation	✘ No
https://www.livehindustan.com/jharkhand/ranchi/story-students-need-to-leave-facebook-whatsapp-university-vice-chancellor-6861807.html		Brief usage	✘ No
https://hindi.news24online.com/travel/survival-tips-bear-alligator-water-whatsapp-university-truth-social-media/727091/		Brief usage	✘ No
https://www.scoopwhoop.com/humor/logic-khatre-mein-hai-kunal-kamra-takes-on-whatsapp-university-in-latest-stand-up/	~ Looks like a clickbait site	Screenshots and GIFs from a standup routine without secondary analysis	✘ No
https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/tech/gadgets-news/whatsapp-launches-check-the-facts-campaign-to-fight-misinformation/articleshow/105384003.cms	~ WP:TOI	~ 2-paragraph blurb, but has actual coverage of changes in WhatsApp to prevent misinformation	~ Partial
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/maharashtra-ministers-whatsapp-university-jibe-at-bjps-new-online-campaign-plan-2270936		Brief mention	✘ No
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/yogi-getting-my-telephones-tapped-akhilesh/article37993341.ece		Brief usage	✘ No
https://www.apnlive.com/bjp-ruchi-pathak-india-on-99-years-lease-video/		Brief usage	✘ No
https://www.business-standard.com/politics/bjp-mps-call-kharge-vc-of-whatsapp-university-for-criticising-railways-123060901106_1.html		Brief usage in a quote	✘ No
https://www.jagran.com/editorial/apnibaat-secularism-of-whatsapp-university-separating-imul-is-like-saying-that-congress-has-no-relation-with-nehru-23434257.html		Brief usage, not related to what's being cited	✘ No
https://www.newslaundry.com/topic/whatsapp-university	~ Reliable publication, but this is a political cartoon	Appearance in a political cartoon, not related to what's being cited	✘ No
https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/bengaluru/2024/Jul/10/debunking-whatsapp-universitys-misinformation		Brief usage, article is about a tabletop game, not related to what's being cited	✘ No
https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/dont-go-by-whatsapp-university-kerala-high-court-dismisses-pil-alleging-forced-vaccination-of-children-198488		Brief usage in a quote	✘ No
https://theprint.in/last-laughs/whatsapp-university-phd-in-mangal-gyaan-maths-isnt-ec-you-know/2066319/	~ Political cartoon	Brief usage, not related to what's being cited	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

Whatsapp University is a real University of India, They even have a Linkedin page

https://www.linkedin.com/company/whatsapp-university/about/

"A genuine global University with schools of Engineering, Law and Humanities. Aiming to be in QS Top 100 by 2033.

Warning : Impersonators shall be Prosecuted or Shot." 106.210.38.218 ( talk) 04:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge to Fake news in India#Modes of distribution; per WP:MERGETEXT. Not to say a term like this can't be used alone, see, e.g. Godi Media, a similar Indian term that has substantial references support - unlike here. Shotgunheist ^💬 05:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Note, also, I just rolled back an addition about the actual "Whatsapp University" as it is patent nonsense with 4 followers on linkedin, and does not add to actual article notability being debated. Shotgunheist ^💬 05:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: the subject has been significantly covered by quite a number of sources, ToI, The Hindu, The Print, NDTV. Also covered by books such as 2019: How Modi Won India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.210.38.218 ( talk) 06:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

EXPLAIN: On behalf the Whatsapp University I would like this listing for Whatsapp University to be remove ASAP. The Whatsapp University and Whatsapp College is well known brand names of Brahma University since at least 2016. Associating with BJP party and disinformation and misinformation by Wikipedia is causing a great confusion and commotion in minds of the students. Hope you understand and remove this listing in your online directory immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShymalWhatsappUniversity ( talk • contribs) 09:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Shabana Shajahan Aryan

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Previously deleted and salted as Shabana Shajahan/ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shabana Shajahan * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: 2 lead roles In notable series have her clearly meet WP:NACTOR. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep: I concur with Mushy Yank. At least two co-leading roles in the television series Sembaruthi and Mr. Manaivi. Fulfills NACTOR#1. — Prince of Erebor（ The Book of Mazarbul） 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Draftify. Actress had been in 2 Tamil language TV shows where she played lead roles but the sources on the page are focused on her personal marital life than her career. Source 1 is about her dress outfits. Source 2 is on her wedding anniversary. Source 3 is on her marriage trouble. Source 4 is on her childhood picture. Source 5 is passing mention on likes dislikes. Source 6 is on show going off-air. Source 7, 8 and 9 are on her marriage troubles. There is not a single source with indepth coverage on her career. I did not find any reliable secondary independent source that has indepth coverage on her career as an actress and the reason could be that her career is not yet worthy of notice to deserve attention or to be recorded but voting to draftify if anyone can find sources on her career and improve the page. RangersRus ( talk) 13:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep: There's a fair amount of (albeit tabloid-esque coverage) in news outlets, indicating some sort of notability. For example, this Times of India article goes in-depth about how she celebrated her birthday. Non-notable people wouldn't get anywhere close to that level of coverage. There's also a whole bunch of stuff about her wedding ( [14] [15] [16] [17]). Combined with meeting WP:NACTOR I think notability is met and there should be enough to write an article. C F A 💬 02:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Birthday celebration, giving thanks on instagram and the kind of gift received by spouse, these are not the kind of coverage needed to satisfy notability. The page has no source with indepth coverage on her career. The page needs to be re-written and sourced with reliable secondary independent sources. RangersRus ( talk) 11:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
No, not necessarily. It doesn't really matter what the coverage is about, as long as it is significant and about the subject. In this case, I believe WP:BASIC is barely met, and she appears to meet the applicable subject-specific notability guideline ( WP:NACTOR). The article is currently a fairly well-written start-class article and is cited to reliable, independent sources. I don't see any issues with the article. What is the point of deleting/draftifying this? C F A 💬 15:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Coverage has to be notable to warrant a page on the subject and coverage like birthday and divorce issues, that are personal life, are not only the kind of coverage needed for a WP:NACTOR. There needs to be significant coverage on her career to be considered a notable actor. This is why I was opting for Draftify so that creator or other editor can find indepth coverage in secondary reliable independent sources on her career and improve the page. RangersRus ( talk) 16:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:NACTOR is a subject-specific notability guideline that doesn't require the person meet the general notability guideline as well (in my opinion they do, but that's not relevant). As long as they meet any one of the criteria outlined (and it can be verified), they are presumed notable. Now, if they meet a SNG and there isn't enough coverage to write an article, there's a better argument for deletion. In this case, however, an article has been written and appears to be appropriately sourced, so deleting it is kind of pointless. Draftifying is useful for someone who could become notable in the near future but isn't at the moment. As I mentioned, the article has already been written and the subject is notable, so there is no reason to draftify. When more in-depth sources about her career are published, they can just be added to the article in mainspace. C F A 💬 16:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Reply to relist question: I cannot see why this should be moved to draft it she meets WP:NACTOR with 2 verifiable lead roles in notable productions. If other users want to remove content and sources about her private life, they can. If you remove "Aryan" from your search, you find some sources focusing more on her work and confirming her roles.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Its the indepth coverage on her career that is missing. The subject's career has not (imo) received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability because her roles did not gain significant independent coverage or recognition. Too early still? I did google search for reliable secondary independent source on her career by her name, Shabana Shajahan, but was not able to find any in first two pages. If you find any, can you list them here please? RangersRus ( talk) 12:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Coverage that allows verification of her roles, which is what the SNG requires, is not great but includes https://www.filmibeat.com/tamil/2024/shabana-bids-farewell-to-mr-manaivi-vaanathai-pola-star-debjani-modak-takes-the-reins-392475.html ;

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/tamil/pavan-and-shabana-starrermr-manaivi-to-go-off-air-soon/articleshow/106371726.cms ; https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/tamil/etimes-tvs-poll-results-netizens-select-mr-manaivi-as-their-favourite-daily-soap-take-a-look-at-the-other-tv-shows-on-the-list/articleshow/99777465.cms ; https://nettv4u.com/celebrity/tamil/tv-actress/shabana-shajahan/list-of-serial-and-shows - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
But it seems you had already received a reply about that by CFA. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Filmibeat and Nett4u are unreliable sources and the ones from Times Of India are the same sources on the page that I mentioned earlier in my vote that there is no indepth coverage on her career in those sources. RangersRus ( talk) 15:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
That's what I said, you have already received a reply about that. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

( edit conflict) The Times of India is generally not considered a notability-establishing source because it is known to accept coverage for pay. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Sorry, but how many times do you want me to repeat what has been said in the course of this discussion? WP:NACTOR is the applicable guideline and the said sources, including TOI, can be used to verify her roles. I'm leaving it at that.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply
Note about the Times of India: The Sources noticeboard says not to use it for political subject matters for example, which the Indian task force clarifies: "Uncontroversial content such as film reviews are usable". Consensus is that concern about retributed coverage exists, but not to the point of making it unreliable. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

and it also says and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. RangersRus ( talk) 15:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

"also says"? Please. It is written in my note. There's no need to repeat and repeat it, bold or not, as if I was trying to ignore it. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Makes it more clear to state what is exactly said that isn't clear or contradicts from what you said. You have made your point and I agree to disagree on the sources you provided. Is there any other source you can find with indepth coverage on her career? If not, we do not need to discuss further and let closer analyze. RangersRus ( talk) 15:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

As has been repeated many times, there does not need to be in-depth coverage of her career. She verifiably meets a subject-specific notability guideline, WP:NACTOR, and is therefore notable. End of story. C F A 💬 15:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

For WP:SNG, there is no adequate sourcing and significant coverage. RangersRus ( talk) 15:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

We dont't have to repeat each other when there is just disagreements. Lets have others weigh in. RangersRus ( talk) 15:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

There doesn't have to be significant coverage, as long as the claim is verified. C F A 💬 15:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: Passes NACTOR with roles in Sembaruthi and Mr. Manaivi. Somebodyidkfkdt ( talk) 15:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC) reply

Bhimadeva

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MOS:DABMENTION requires "If the topic is not mentioned in the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page". "Bhimadeva" is mentioned only in Bhima of Mahikavati, probably not a good target for a redirect. I suggest this page is deleted in order to enable uninhibited use of Search. A PROD was reverted by @ Utcursch: with edit summary ( https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=bhimadeva+caulukya) without editing any targeted article. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 18:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep Bhima I now, quite properly, also mentions "Bhimadeva". The stipulation in WP:DABMENTION gives as the rationale for its claimed requirement "since linking to it would not help readers find information about the sought topic". In this case the links obviously would help the reader so this is one of the occasional exceptions the MOS allows for. Thincat ( talk) 08:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Language-barrier keep. "Bhima" is in the dabbed article names, and "dev" shows up in the article bodies. I am not familiar with that language, but there seems to be some grammar thing going on that makes this dab page worthwhile. – sgeureka ^t•
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Keep: Per Thincat and sguerka. Pretty useful DAB. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC) reply

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