July 3
Category:British co-ed groups
- Propose renaming Category:British co-ed groups to Category:British mixed-sex vocal pop groups
- Nominator's rationale: "British co-ed groups" simply do not exist, featuring an American term that makes no sense in a British context. Sources discussing mixed-sex British pop groups never describe them this way. Category, if kept, should be renamed to something that can be supported by sources.
Escape Orbit
(Talk)
11:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, or instead of "mixed-sex", rename it to Category:British mixed-gender vocal pop groups as a subcat of Category:Mixed-gender vocal pop groups as a subcat of Category:Mixed-gender bands. ~ Hiddenstranger ( talk) 11:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is this a defining characteristic at all? Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: As Marcocapelle asks, is it defining?
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Category:3rd century in Africa (Roman province)
- Propose deleting Category:3rd century in Africa (Roman province) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:4th century in Africa (Roman province) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:5th century in Africa (Roman province) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all to ?? century in Roman Africa I populated these categories somewhat. However, in Diocletian's administrative reforms (sometime between 284–305 CE), Africa (Roman province) was split into Africa Zeugitana, Africa Byzacena, and Africa Tripolitania. In 314 CE, these provinces were grouped together along with almost all Roman provinces on the African continent in the Diocese of Africa. Thus there essentially was no Roman province named just "Africa" in the 3rd-5th centuries. With my rename proposal, I suggest the new category scope includes all Roman and Byzantine-controlled areas on the African continent. The people categories need to be renamed as well. Daask ( talk) 01:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is still only 5 unique articles in 3 categories, then we'd better move the articles back and carry on with deletion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Rename?
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Category:Family of Boris Johnson
- Propose renaming Category:Family of Boris Johnson to Category:Boris Johnson family
- Nominator's rationale: Reverse speedy name change. It was an error on my part; I didn't realize that the original version was the correct form. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Rename per nom, see Category:Family by person.Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, for some reason I had in mind to rename to Category:Family of Boris Johnson instead of from. Most siblings use "Family of" so I am not sure why it would be more correct to have family at the end. More explanation is needed. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose; most subcats of Category:Family by person follow the existing style. "[Surname] family" and "Family of [full name]" seems to be the general rule. Ham II ( talk) 19:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
16th to 19th century in (Portuguese) Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1501 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1501 establishments in Africa and Category:1501 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1505 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1505 establishments in Africa and Category:1505 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1569 disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1569 disestablishments and Category:16th-century disestablishments in Africa and Category:1569 disestablishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1570 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1570 establishments in Africa and Category:1570 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1576 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1576 establishments in Africa and Category:1576 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1614 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1614 establishments in Africa and Category:1614 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1676 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1676 establishments in Africa and Category:1676 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1676 disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1676 disestablishments in Africa and Category:1676 disestablishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1680 disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1680 disestablishments in Africa and Category:1680 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1776 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1776 establishments in Africa and Category:1776 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1836 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1836 establishments in Africa and Category:1836 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1836 disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1836 disestablishments and Category:1830s disestablishments in Africa and Category:1836 disestablishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1880s in Mozambique to Category:History of Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1887 establishments in Mozambique to Category:1887 establishments in Africa and Category:1880s establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1890s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:History of Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1890s establishments in Mozambique to Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:1893 establishments in Mozambique to Category:1893 establishments in Africa and Category:1893 establishments in the Portuguese Empire and Category:Establishments in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Mozambican people to Category:18th-century African people and Category:People from Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Mozambican women to Category:Mozambican women
- Propose merging Category:19th-century Mozambican people to Category:19th-century African people and Category:People from Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:19th-century Mozambican women to Category:Mozambican women
- Propose merging Category:19th-century bishops in Mozambique to Category:People from Portuguese Mozambique
- Nominator's rationale: merge, all single-article categories, not helpful for navigation. Also consistently use "Portuguese Mozambique", as all articles refer to the Portuguese colony, rather than a mix of "Mozambique" and "Portuguese Mozambique", and
Category:Portuguese Mozambique needs to exist anyway. I am proposing the latter because we need
Category:Portuguese Mozambique anyway. Splitting in four century categories isn't necessary because the history, establishments and disestablishments categories will ultimately contain only 10, 14 and 4 direct articles respectively. This is follow-up on an earlier discussion with
User:Fayenatic london.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with most of these, however,
- Propose merging Category:19th-century bishops in Mozambique to Category:People from Portuguese Mozambique, should be Category:19th-century bishops to Category: Bishops in Mozambique because they're still bishops and are bishops in Mozambique
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Mason (
talk)
20:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Mason I think you have a good point but please clarify these links, which currently appear mistaken. –
Fayenatic
London
12:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, let me try to be less lazy this time 🤣 . Some of the relevant parent categories are missing, mainly occupation and century. Specifically,
- Category:19th-century bishops in Mozambique should be merged to Category:People from Portuguese Mozambique, Category:Bishops in Mozambique, and Category:19th-century bishops in Africa.
- Category:19th-century Mozambican women should be merged to Category:Mozambican women, Category:People from Portuguese Mozambique, Category:19th-century African people, and Category:19th-century women.
- Category:18th-century Mozambican women should be merged to Category:Mozambican women, Category:People from Portuguese Mozambique, Category:18th-century African people, and Category:18th-century women.
- In theory the women merge targets could be fine if the category is properly non-diffused, but I'd rather have the redundancy in case someone gets incorrectly removed from a "redundant layer" by the time the bot gets to this. Mason ( talk) 22:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, let me try to be less lazy this time 🤣 . Some of the relevant parent categories are missing, mainly occupation and century. Specifically,
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Mason I think you have a good point but please clarify these links, which currently appear mistaken. –
Fayenatic
London
12:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with most of these, however,
- See also the next nomination regarding the 20th century. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Thank you
Marcocapelle for this careful nomination. At the
previous discussion I suggested keeping a C18 parent category, but that was of marginal value. –
Fayenatic
London
12:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- This will empty several layers of parents. IMHO the more important parents should be tagged and listed here so that in future editors will be able to trace the rationale for deleting them. –
Fayenatic
London
12:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, below are the century categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- This will empty several layers of parents. IMHO the more important parents should be tagged and listed here so that in future editors will be able to trace the rationale for deleting them. –
Fayenatic
London
12:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:16th century in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose deleting Category:17th century in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose deleting Category:18th century in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose deleting Category:19th century in Portuguese Mozambique
- Propose deleting Category:19th century in Mozambique
Category:Commercial photographers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining type of artist. there's no commercial artist category
Mason (
talk)
20:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not sure what this category is for... Here's the first sentence of one of the articles,
Tom Hussey (photographer):
Tom Hussey is an American photographer specialising in commercial advertising and lifestyle photography.
Maybe there's a better way to categorize these people. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 04:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not sure what this category is for... Here's the first sentence of one of the articles,
Tom Hussey (photographer):
- Delete, presumably most notable photographers are making money on their work. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pro-Confederate clergy
- Propose merging Category:Pro-Confederate clergy to Category:19th-century clergy
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between occupation and political orientation. This category is not the same as Category: Confederate States Army chaplains Mason ( talk) 13:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Distinction between pro-Confederate clergy aand other 19th century clergy is appropriate aand helpful.
deisenbe (
talk)
23:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- FYI. Helpful is not a reason to keep a category. Please read Wikipedia:Overcategorization. It'll help you craft better counter arguments. Mason ( talk) 22:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OPINIONCAT, but more specifically to Category:19th-century American clergy. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Czechoslovakian Wikipedians
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only subcat Wikipedians from Czechoslovakia, which can go directly in the parent categories. Presumably the subcat should not be renamed to Czechoslovak Wikipedians, as that would be an anachronism. – Fayenatic London 10:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works about villains
- Nominator's rationale: This topic is really vague in the extreme, almost anything can be called a "villain" by someone or characterized as being "about" a villain if they feature heavily in the plot. It doesn't make sense as a category.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
09:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to
Category:Works with villain protagonists. Looking at one of the articles, I think this is supposed to be about works with a villain as the protagonist, such as
Soon I Will Be Invincible. –
LaundryPizza03 (
d
c̄)
04:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, Category:Works featuring villain protagonists, like the video game subcategory, Category:Video games featuring villain protagonists. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 04:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to
Category:Works with villain protagonists. Looking at one of the articles, I think this is supposed to be about works with a villain as the protagonist, such as
Soon I Will Be Invincible. –
LaundryPizza03 (
d
c̄)
04:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, rename. That clarification is really needed. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Transit authorities with natural gas buses
- Nominator's rationale: This is not a useful category - the type of fuel used by an agency's buses is not a
defining characteristic of those agencies.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
05:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This is so oviously WP:OCTRIVIA. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 04:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Deep Space Network
- Propose renaming Category:Deep Space Network to Category:Deep space networks
- Nominator's rationale: The category was originally created for the
NASA Deep Space Network. Expansion to "the deep space networks of all countries and organizations" was
made explicit in 2013, but the category has never yet been renamed.
Nurg (
talk)
05:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion perhaps rename to
Category:Space networks. This could extend to 'near space' networks such as
Near Earth Network and
LEGS. The category is not overwhelmingly large, and the near space networks are likely of interest to the same readers.
LouScheffer (
talk)
17:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Lou. I am happy for it to be expanded to include 'near space' networks, as it seems there is no category specifically for them currently. Nurg ( talk) 23:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The proposed name is a more accurate description. LouScheffer ( talk) 15:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. We don't have a main article, but this is a good description of these topics. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 04:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion perhaps rename to
Category:Space networks. This could extend to 'near space' networks such as
Near Earth Network and
LEGS. The category is not overwhelmingly large, and the near space networks are likely of interest to the same readers.
LouScheffer (
talk)
17:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Argentine commanders in the Falklands War
- Nominator's rationale: The single article in the category isn't a commander. Gonnym ( talk) 17:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- If anyone feels like populating this category by moving articles from Category:Argentine military personnel of the Falklands War then I would not mind. Otherwise delete as virtually empty. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's (semi-)proposal to populate?
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