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Nominator's rationale:delete, not as a matter of principle, but there are only two articles in it, one for which anti-Zionism is a POV judgment and the other is anti-
Christian Zionism which is quite something different than Jewish Zionism. E.g. Christian Zionism asserts a parallel idea that the returnees ought to be encouraged to reject Judaism and adopt Christianity as a means of fulfilling biblical prophecies.
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Category:Anti-Zionist Christians
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Nominator's rationale:delete, the category contains people with widely diverging views, from antisemitism to advocy of Palestinian human rights, but generally it has very little to do with Christian theology. If applicable, articles are better off in
Category:American Zionists etc. than in a specific Christian category.
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Category:Anti-mainlander sentiment in Hong Kong
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Nominator's rationale: "Anti-mainlander sentiment" is not a defining characteristic of the articles that have been placed in this category, which are about subjects that may be more accurately or commonly described as reflecting a "pro-democracy", "localist", or "anti-Chinese Communist Party" sentiment. The category name is also biased in favour of a narrative promoted by the Chinese government – the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement was portrayed as "anti-mainlander" to help cement Chinese public opinion against Hong Kong democracy activists. Citobun (
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23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Move the title to
Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong. There is a difference between the pro-democracy movement and the anti-mainlander sentiment. Among the latter, some simply antagonize the CCP, but others antagonize the mainlander's people. However, many Hong Kongers see it as better to change the title than delete it, as they distinguish their identity from the [mainland] Chinese people.
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08:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete the category article itself is a completely different matter. I am well aware of the oppression of CCP in Hong Kong, but at the same time, I am also aware of discrimination against the mainlander 'people'. Even before I edited it, many articles related to Hong Kong topics included
Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Asia.
ProKMT (
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07:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Otherwise rename to Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong per the Indonesian and the Japanese counterparts, or merge to both Hong Kong–China relations and Marcocapelle's proposed target.
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08:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Deaths due to hippopotamus attacks
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I think this discussion has been hijacked into something other than what I originally started it as, and hence those should be a different discussion. On the merge versus delete issue, do any of you really think the pharoh
Menes is defined by some legend about how he died? That's not how my understanding of defining characteristics works.
* Pppery *it has begun...21:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
There is only one original source about him being killed by an animal, but one source is not uncommon in ancient history. It is a not a reason to not believe it per se.
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Category:Orange Twin albums
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Category:History of Austria-Hungary by topic
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Nominator's rationale: merge, strongly overlapping scope. (Of course if there is consensus about this, then all subcategories need to be nominated as well.)
Marcocapelle (
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18:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. I think this is a really good idea. (However, if the decision ends with Keep, think we'd need to have a really really clear definition in the category description to support maintenance. )
Mason (
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19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, then for the top category it is too early to be merged. The subcategories by date and location are set categories, and items of infrastructure are always buildings or structures, so this objection does not apply to these subcategories.
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06:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose I've been looking at some categories about canals and they are appropriately categorized under "infrastructure" rather than "buildings and structures". I think with their addition and that of other similar categories. "structure" would become so broad (anything that is built?) as to become almost meaningless. There might be some overlap here but I think that the solution might be to change "buildings and structures" to just "buildings" and leave "infrastructure" be. LizRead!Talk!22:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Looking at more categories, it looks like some "infrastructure" categories are placed under the parent categories of "buildings and structures" which I think is more appropriate than merging the two. LizRead!Talk!22:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau
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Hmmmm, I've been thinking of them like a country of work category, like that's where the bishop is serving, as opposed to the dioses. If we changed it to "of" Macau, would that mean that all the bishops would also have to be in the parent category? Category:XXXX-century Roman Catholic bishops in China (or Asia)? My goal is to make all the categories consistent, and possibly avoid having a perpetual edit war over the parent country category.
[1]Mason (
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18:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)reply
That would be fine with me. Although I think that the merge target should probably be China for the 20th and 21st centuries.
Mason (
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22:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Just for twelve days in the 20th century? Domingos Lam served between 1988 and 2003 (i.e. across 1999) and the article already belongs to both the 20th- and 21st-century categories. His successor José Lai served between 2003 and 2016.
219.77.182.250 (
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15:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
With all respect this isn't and shouldn't be an entirely mechanical process as you put it. You have to read and understand the subject as well.
58.152.55.172 (
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08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Long story short, there were bishops appointed to dioceses elsewhere who served and were based in Macau (e.g. as administrators of the diocese, which covered an area large enough to be subdivided into hundreds of dioceses in the following centuries). These were bishops in Macau but not Bishops of Macau.
58.152.55.172 (
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08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That may be the case but that does not match with the content of this category tree. Bishops in these categories were bishops of Macao.
Marcocapelle (
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05:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. Rename the 17th to 20th-century categories accordingly and make them along with the 16th-century category under the tree of Category:Portuguese Macau.
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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations
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Keep. We're not starting this again, are we? Most of these are clearly notable and defining. They include the
Bharat Ratna, the highest civilian honour that can be awarded by India, and the
Kaisar-i-Hind Medal, an extremely prestigious award given in British India. If they're not defining, then what on earth is?
WP:OCAWARD certainly does not say that awards have to be comparable to a Nobel Prize; neither does it say that only international awards should be categorised, which is what such a suggestion implies. The deletion rationale is entirely spurious and ridiculously brief. --
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Category:Temples (LDS Church) in Latin America
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Category:Transport and the Mercosur
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Category:Jewish nobility
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Nominator's rationale:arbirtrary and irrelevant intersection by ethnicity. I found this category added to
Yehudi Menuhin on my watchlist and I'm about to revert it because, while it's true that he was Jewish and that he was a
Life peer, the intersection of these facts (especially the latter one) in a category seems more than a little bizarre and "non-defining", because he was by far best known as a violinist. There are probably many other examples just like this one.
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09:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Graham87 has a good point that lists allow for context that categories don't. But I am not in favour of listification either, as the net here has evidently been cast far too wide. E.g. someone like
James Goldsmith (picked at random) has nothing to do with "nobility".
NLeeuw (
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15:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete as per nom. It is another example of a non-useful, mostly meaningless category created by intersecting two unrelated traits. We don't have categories for Christian, Muslim, or Hindu nobility and we shouldn't have one for Jewish nobility either.
220.235.78.155 (
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03:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom and other users. It's a specific category that's already filled within the various subcategories for nobility per nationality. Furthermore, as mentioned above, there is no specific category for other major religions like Christians or Muslims.
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10:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: Category created just to hold one list. This would be fine if there were multiple lists to file here, but is not necessary for just one -- but given that Northern Cyprus is a disputed territory which is diplomatically recognized only by Turkey, it's impossible to file multiple lists here. The list is already in
Category:Ambassadors of Turkey to Northern Cyprus, which is all that's needed in context -- but this category isn't necessary if it will only ever contain one list.
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Category:Public high schools in Chicago suburbs
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Neutral, as as I said with the songs about/against capitalism nomination, many of these songs have lyrics which are quite clearly critical of racism and/or xenophobia. With the songs about poverty or consumerism, those songs aren’t explicitly against the subject of said topics as much but are more about the topic itself and its effects.
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Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining trait. This simply indicates that the game in question has it's web hostname in the
.io TLD. It is akin to having a category for ".com video games", ".org video games", etc. There is no connection between these games from a developer, publisher, or otherwise manner. --
ferret (
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16:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep, per my reasoning from the TFD that sources (
[2][3][4]) consider ".io games" a genre, but unlike my conclusion in the TFD, keep the category as genre is CATDEF. ~
A412talk!16:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I will note the TfD was closed as delete, FWIW. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education