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Category:Scholars of Sunni Islam
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Category:SkyTrain (Vancouver) stations located above ground
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Yes, but that defining characteristic is already fulfilled via the use of the "Canada Line stations", "Expo Line (SkyTrain) stations" and "Millenium Line stations", which in turn links to that category. Wikipedia categories aren't meant to be defining by namespace, at least not primarily. The thought was to connect them to the category tree "Underground rapid transit stations located underground/above ground in Canada" which then connects to the global dito
Assimo23 (
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20:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry... the "Underground rapid transit stations located underground/above ground in Canada"? That seems contradictory.
Again, the majority of sources (which are mainly local news outlets) that discuss SkyTrain stations do not consistently comment on the underground/above-ground nature of these stations... which clearly means the two categories do not capture defining characteristics. Then there's cases like Waterfront, which has both a above-ground sections and an underground one (or Commercial–Broadway)... honestly I'm sure it would be described differently by different people/sources. So not only is a binary underground/above-ground designation not useful or a key feature, sometimes it's impossible to unambiguously determine. —
Joeyconnick (
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20:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Look, you're not arguing against my proposition, there's around 45 underground rapid transit systems in the world that apparently like the idea on Wikipedia, if you have something against the Vancouver system being part of those then feel free to argue that. I was not considering anything else other than to add this system to the overall category tree. It looks like what you're really contemplating is whether it should be classified as an underground rapid transit system or just a rapid transit system in general, in which case those categories wouldn't belong here. But it is already listed in the "underground rapid transit systems in Canada" category so ..
Assimo23 (
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21:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)reply
You created categories which ought not to exist because they are non-defining (and were they to exist, they would in some cases be impossible to accurately assign). The fact that there apparently are crazy, self-contradictory categories like "Underground stations that are above ground" is immaterial.
Oh... I see... YOU created at least one of these insanities:
Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground in Canada. And you just created it. Like January 2, 2023, i.e. yesterday. And the other 4 you list above are also your (misguided) creations, albeit from as "far back" as September last year.
Yeah, there are ALL sorts of problems here that extend WAY beyond this particular CFD. But to return to the original point about the two particular categories above:
WP:CATDEF. They're not defining categories, ergo they should be deleted. —
Joeyconnick (
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05:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
In a subway system, stations are frequently mentioned as being either underground or above ground, in the news (for example about new stations, they are always mentioned whether they're underground or sub-surface in the news). How would that not be a notable trait about a subway station?
As for the category's name, I also find it insane to have Wikipedia category trees called "rapid transit" vs "underground rapid transit" because there is no way to definitively put a line between what constitutes one or the other, however, I did not come up with that idea, nor did I come up with the idea to start classifying only one of them as underground vs above ground, that was also initiated by New York City subway. Calling it "subway stations located above ground" maybe would be preferable but that would break the namespace logic of the entire class tree.
Assimo23 (
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12:08, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Apologies if that was non-kosher. I haven't done much CfD stuff. My thinking was, along the lines of BRD, that the onus would be on the editor making the new category additions to justify their proposed additional categories once their application had been questioned. —
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22:41, 4 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Articles with WORLDCATID identifiers
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Comment: Why would that be needed? It's not the template that decides the name of the categories, it's the other way around: the categories' names decide the links in the template. What decides the category names is the WorldCat article name per C2D.
HandsomeFella (
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23:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Because there will have to be a discussion on the template talk page anyway, and it's more in the collaborative spirit of Wikipedia to present that as a request than as a fait accompli forced by the CfD process.
* Pppery *it has begun...20:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)reply
That is such a vague rationale that it can be said about virtually any category for speedy discussion. Are you suggesting we cease having the speedy process at all? If you can't present an argument against (like not following any the C2* speedy criteria mentioned above), or at least outline it, then your objection is invalid, and the speedy process can go on.
HandsomeFella (
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10:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose These categories are deliberately named after the name/symbolic abbreviation of the corresponding identifier or, where this is not possible because of name conflicts, after the name of the associated template parameter. They are not necessarily named after possibly existing articles about these identifiers or their parent organizations.
Well, then why not rename that parameter? It can be done by adding an alias parameter until all instances are changed from WORLDCATID to WorldCat.
HandsomeFella (
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10:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)reply
If there is some good reason why this is technically difficult/impossible, then add an explanation to the documentation of this and another similar templates to forestall future CFDs.
jnestorius(
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We are moving away from using named parameters on this template anyway. In the future it will just use
WorldCat Identities ID (superseded) (P7859) from Wikidata so this is less of an issue. By the way, I notice that even this property has the repeated/redundant use of "Identities" and "ID"! — Martin (
MSGJ ·
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17:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment I'm not sure if the size of the category is a factor here in this discussion but this change would affect 773,292 different articles if it is approved. Just don't want to bot to overheat and burn out or spend days (or weeks?) doing a category rename unless it would have a tangible benefit. That's all to say that changing this category name is not a trvial matter so I'd make sure that a majority of editors think this would be an improvement and a positive change and that this isn't just a preference for one name over another. LizRead!Talk!20:31, 7 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Liz this is populated by a Lua module, a form of super template, so it won't initially need a bot at all. Changing the template will change the category as the cache is purged by the wiki engine. William Allen Simpson (
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12:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)reply
It doesn't really matter either way, but on balance I think the less redundant and clearer wording outranks the slightly less consistent naming schema, so I am happy to support the rename — Martin (
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Category:Medical and health organizations by medical condition
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Certainly merge, the two categories have a clearly overlapping scope. I do not have a strong opinion on which name the merged category should adopt.
Marcocapelle (
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16:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment I think that there is definite overlap, but I worry that this proposed merge would displace all the disability related organizations that focus on specific conditions. I prefer merging into the broader category name "by subject" as that wouldn't risk overemphasizing the medical side of disability organizations.
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16:13, 3 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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