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Nominator's rationale:rename and diffuse, rename to a more usual category name. In addition, remove articles and redirects, as they are already in the subcategories.
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06:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)reply
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Nightclubs
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Category:Songs about bubbles
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Delete. This contains one novelty song come football chant and a Japanese nursery rhyme. You have have chosen to suggest to merge with serious subjects like
Eötvös number? Like nearly every songs about category it's trivia, let it fade away. --
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Cayman Islands stubs
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Category:North American Football League players
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Nominator's rationale: Similarly to the English Anti-Communists category, this is another subjective
WP:OPINIONCAT/
WP:NONDEF category. Most English people are anti-fascists in the sense that they do not like fascism, and this seems to be how this category has been applied. No objections to recreating/renaming it so that it's limited to actual anti-fascist activists (e.g., members of
Anti-Fascist Action) but no suitable category name occurs to me.
FOARP (
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10:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Dunno, was Winston Churchill an "anti-fascist activist"? Seems something less obviously subjective, requiring membership of actual anti-fascist groups is needed.
FOARP (
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15:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)reply
When it comes down purely to
WP:OPINIONCATs, it is. Let's chose every tenth article on the list and see what we get:
Angelic Upstarts - A punk band with an "anti-fascist philosophy". No actually evidence of activism in the article.
Katharine Burdekin - No evidence of activism in the article. Listing appears based on the fact she wrote a book critical of Nazism.
Jessie Eden - Article doesn't even mention the word "fascism"/"fascist" and describes no anti-fascist activism. Listing appears based solely on the fact she was a communist.
John Groser - Bare mention of having been involved in anti-fascism activities in the body-text of the article and does not appear defining of the subject (e.g., not mentioned in the lead section).
Sylvia Townsend Warner - Again, appears to have held anti-fascist opinions but that's it.
This is an opinioncat pure and simple. It appears that every single English person who fought in WW2, criticised communism at any point, or has been on the far left could be included here regardless of whether they were ever actually activists against fascism.
FOARP (
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12:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)reply
At best Heavily purge and see what is left. Perhaps delete (as we have done with conservative and liberal categories, not defined by party membership. Every democratic or communist politician could be said to be included. Unless the criterion is membership of an organisation (e.g. political party) that was explicitly anti-fascist or a person actively campaigned against fascism and the article says so, they should not be included. I think Churchill could in the 1930s be properly described as an anti-Nazi activist. I found another person who was recorded to have spoken at anti-fascist rallies. My personal observation is that fascists and communists are liable to behave in much the same way and are as bad as each other.
Peterkingiron (
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18:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Consider the result of the RfC linked above by Marcocapelle. I'm shocked at how long this took to get relisted. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –
LaundryPizza03 (
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23:21, 4 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm staying neutral on the discussions, I'm merely attempting to puzzle out the RFC closure. That linked RFC would appear to prohibit people being added to an Anti-fascism category. Or in other words, it pertains to -ism categories. I don't see where it applies to an -ist category.
Marcocapelle, am I missing something? - jc3709:55, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Jc37: the (original) RfC was upheld and clarified, specifically "Bias categories must not include articles about individuals, groups or media that are allegedly so biased.". There is no distinction made between -ism and -ist categories, it just applies to all categories. @
GRuban: pinging closer of the discussion.
Marcocapelle (
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19:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Editors are invited to comment in light of
this RfC. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
JBchrchtalk20:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: The key a song is composed in is rarely documented, often changed during writing, especially when the writer and singer are different people. Entries in these categories can only be
WP:OR, an assumption that songs are automatically recorded in the key they were written. This is not correct, the key will also change according to the range of the singer, which is why I have not proposed a change of name for this category. Besides the argument that there are no reliable sources, there is a strong argument that key signatures of performance are not defining of a song.
For reference, there have been a couple of recent discussions at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Songshere and
here and this nomination follows the advice given there.
Support/Delete Keys often change from composition/sketch to first recording to subsequent renditions. For example, when John Lee Hooker re-recorded his popular "
Boogie Chillen'" over the years, the key dropped from B to B♭ to A (he says he learned it from his stepfather and sources do not identify what key it was "composed" in). So, it is not possible to identify one key as the song's overall
defining characteristic. This is often true of songs with renditions by multiple artists. Also, reliable sources are sometimes difficult to find; a small sampling of songs in the categories listed above shows that most make no mention of a key and the categories may be OR or taken from a UGC/SPS website. —
Ojorojo (
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13:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete It is not clear if the song has been composed for example in D minor but recorded in C minor. It is not also clear if the recording is in F-sharp major or G-flat major, D-sharp minor or E-flat minor, G-sharp minor or A-flat minor et cetera. For example here is song
Nobody's Wife that had been marked in key of F-sharp major, but really it is D-sharp minor. And we do not really know if that song has been composed in F-sharp major/D-sharp minor. And one problem is also that some songs in minor (for example D# minor) has been marked as its relative major (F# major). Those categories have problem with the word "Compose", because we do not know the real composition key. And as I said, is it Abm or G#m, D#m or Ebm, Gb or F#, C# or Db so on? For example Ab minor and G# minor are practically the same key although they are different in theory (Abm has 7 flats, G#m has 5 sharps, but Ab and G# are enharmonically the same tone).--
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Category:Songs with double entendres
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Nominator's rationale: I don't think this kind of category is needed. It's not like you'll see the term idol rapper mentioned on any articles. They are simply rappers.
Btspurplegalaxy🗩🖉04:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Btspurplegalaxy:Oppose. The term "idol rapper" does not need to be mentioned in articles for the category to be absolutely useful. And the distinction between idol rappers and non-idol rappers should be made: in an K-pop idol group, an idol that raps only does so as it is part of their position; whereas non-idol rappers do not have to have the extra hassle of training, dancing or stifling of their creativity in the name of "concepts", they simply can just be rappers. Why is it that
Vice12,
XXL,
Bustle,
The Ringer,
Billboard (
in an article that quotes San E using the term) are pointing this distinction out? This should be pointed out in enwiki. The category also does users who like K-pop and care about categories a massive favour as the subject's position is stated, setting apart idol rappers from idol singers. —lIl-†V!wanna talk?`09:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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