July 9
Category:Martial arts in fiction
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
13:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Martial arts in fiction to Category:Martial arts fiction
- Propose renaming Category:Ninja in fiction to Category:Ninja fiction
- Propose renaming Category:Samurai in fiction to Category:Samurai fiction
- Nominator's rationale: Make category more defining, per WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 22:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Though I am unsure if it should be
Category:Martial arts fiction or
Category:Fiction about martial arts and likewise for the subcats.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Based on the article List of ninja films, rather than List of films about ninja, the other categories should be named the same way. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 14:41, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - I am somewhat concerned about the way these are being renamed (sometimes speedily) and re-scoped.
Category:Martial arts in fiction is wider than
Category:Martial arts fiction; 'fictional martial artists' are 'in fiction' but not 'fiction'. The comparison between a topic category (eg ‹The
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Category:Films) springs to mind.
Oculi (
talk)
11:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Categories have to be defining. If character categories do not fit in the new categories, perhaps they should be removed from the new categories, which should only contain examples of fiction, not the characters therein. After all, they are members of "fiction by topic", and there's a separate parent category "elements of fiction". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 05:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Rename if it is not significant enough to the work to justifiy the target names, it is not significant enough to categorize by. We should not be categorizing by every scene in a movie, only ones that define the work as a whole. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Water transport in fiction
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
13:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Water transport in fiction to Category:Nautical fiction
- Nominator's rationale: What fiction defined by being about water transport would not qualify as nautical fiction? Since there is a full overlap, this category should be combined with the defining one, if there is anything to combine. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 21:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Merge, the two categories seem to have the same scope. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose if the scope is the same as the
nautical fiction article ("with a setting on or near the sea"), as that would exclude the subcategory
Category:Canals in fiction and the article
Idle Days on the Yann. Also would
Category:Nautical fiction be included in
Category:Fiction about transport and
Category:Works about water transport or would each article have to be categorised in them?
Peter James (
talk)
17:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Canals in fiction can simply be upmerged to
Category:Fiction about transport. Does there really, specifically need to be a middle category specifying that it is indeed "water transport"? Similarly, I question why
Category:Works about water transport needs to exist and could not just be a part of
Category:Works about transport. That category was made very recently by a random user and was not part of the established scheme before then. By the way, a canal is not necessarily a mode of transport.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
22:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn't answer my question about Category:Works about water transport - it was created five years ago and is not proposed for deletion or merging, and without it I would have asked the same question about Category:Works about transport - should each article or subcategory be categorised individually, should Category:Nautical fiction be included in it, or should there be a subcategory of transport? Peter James ( talk) 21:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Canals in fiction can simply be upmerged to
Category:Fiction about transport. Does there really, specifically need to be a middle category specifying that it is indeed "water transport"? Similarly, I question why
Category:Works about water transport needs to exist and could not just be a part of
Category:Works about transport. That category was made very recently by a random user and was not part of the established scheme before then. By the way, a canal is not necessarily a mode of transport.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
22:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- There were two articles in the nominated category but I moved them to subcategories. I guess that makes the question moot, there are no longer articles to be categorized individually. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The first one sounds more like a bachelor's degree thesis than a category. JBchrch talk 11:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Family in fiction
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- The result of the discussion was: rename and containerise.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
13:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Family in fiction to Category:Fiction about family
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 17:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. The category should also be containerized, otherwise almost every article about fiction might be added. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Not sure about this change, families can be in fiction (in fact, families figure somewhat in many books of fiction) without being ABOUT those families. But "Family in fiction" seems too broad to be useful as a category. Liz Read! Talk! 20:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Origami in fiction
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
13:14, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Origami in fiction to Category:Fiction about origami
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 17:32, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support per various precedents such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_5#Foo_in_fiction. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 18:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Mosby's Operations in Northern Virginia
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 7#Category:Mosby's Operations in Northern Virginia
Category:Blood in fiction
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 13:14, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: "Fiction that uses blood as a plot element" is not defining, nor is it likely that it can be made so by renaming this category. As something that is intrinsically not defining for works of fiction, this category should be deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 11:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Many articles are already in a dark fantasy, horror or paranormal category, more appropriately so. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete blood as a plot element is not a defining part of fiction period. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Regency in fiction
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 7#Category:Regency in fiction
Azines
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 12#Azines