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Nominator's rationale:Overcategorization by association. Apart from the original novel, "franchise" article (which it's not entirely clear needs to exist as a separate topic from the original novel at all) and the articles about the film and stage adaptations, everything else here is either a person who was somehow involved with one of those things (in violation of
WP:PERFCAT) or a documentary film about an actress who was in the film (cross-referencing both PERFCAT and ASSOC errors.) And if everything that doesn't actually belong here at all was removed, what was left would just be a
WP:SMALLCAT, and not particularly necessary anyway since they're all already crosslinked by a navigational box.
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Category:Vulgarity
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT of unclear necessity, serving only to link the eponym itself with one article about a particular type of vulgarity -- but both articles already crosslink each other in body text as it is, meaning there's no pressing need for a category to group them together.
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Category:Swoope
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous categories for musicians without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. As always, every musician who exists does not automatically get one of these just because he has an albums category, a songs category and a BLP -- he needs to have a significant volume of additional spinoff content that needs categorization for its relationship to him but doesn't already fit into established songs and albums category schemes -- such as books about him, films about him, and on and so forth.
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19:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. Note the albums and songs categories normally link to each other thanks to the templates, but in order to have that work properly, some of the subcategories need to be renamed ("produced by" should be removed from the category name).
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Category:Family of Charan Singh
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT for the person named in the category title, his son and his grandson, based solely on family
association. As at Family of Rajendra Prasad below, we do not automatically need one of these the moment two or three people with Wikipedia articles happen to be related to each other -- the basis for one of these would be if the "Singh family" were itself a topic of collective coverage and analysis as a group, which hasn't been demonstrated in any of the articles, and even if it were there would still need to be considerably more than just three people to file in it regardless.
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Category:All World Gayatri Pariwar
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous category for a topic that doesn't have a Wikipedia article about it to explain what it is or why it would be
defining of the contents. The eponym exists on Wikipedia only as a redirect to a place it's associated with, not as an article about it as a thing, and the contents of the article are that place, two people associated with it, and a university that happens to be located in that same area but whose article entirely fails to explain any connection to the topic beyond geographic proximity. This is not sufficient basis for an eponymous category at all. And meanwhile, the "Members of AWGP" category only contains the same two people and a redirect.
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Category:Family of Rajendra Prasad
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT for the person named in the category title, his wife and one of their children, based solely on family
association. As always, we do not automatically need one of these the moment two or three people with Wikipedia articles happen to be related to each other -- the basis for one of these would be if the "Prasad family" were itself a topic of collective coverage and analysis as a group, which hasn't been demonstrated in any of the articles, and even if it were there would still need to be considerably more than just three people to file in it regardless.
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Category:Films with make-up by Stan Winston
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Nominator's rationale: Two isolated categories for films on a
non-defining characteristic. We don't have any established scheme of "Films by make-up artist" for these to be part of -- these (both newly created within the past week) are the only "Films with make-up by So-and-So" categories that exist at all. And since films aren't defined by the matter of who did their make-up, there's no value in starting a new comprehensive scheme for this now -- but there's also no credible reason why Stan Winston or Rick Baker would be of such rarefied ubernotability as to require special treatment that other make-up artists aren't getting, either.
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Category:YELP Fellows
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT for just two people, based on membership in a youth organization (no, not what you're thinking) that isn't highly prominent enough to count as a
defining characteristic of these people. And even if it could be expanded enough to justify keeping it, it would likely have to be renamed for clarity anyway, given that I had to include a "not what you're thinking" proviso above.
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Category:St John fleet
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Nominator's rationale: Category of unclear utility. The usage note here says that "the Vehicle fleet of St John Ambulance consists of a variety of vehicles from brands such as; Mercedes Benz, Toyota, Hyundai, Isuzu and Volkswagen" -- but the fact that St. John Ambulance happens to use a particular brand of vehicle wouldn't be a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of the vehicle manufacturer, so there's no basis for categorizing Mercedes Benz or Toyota or Hyundai or Isuzu or Volkswagen here, and the only article actually filed in the category is one country's particular St. John Ambulance organization, which is a clear misfile as the organization is not literally a vehicle.
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Category:Underserved indigenous languages
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Nominator's rationale: Category with subjective inclusion criteria. This describes the topic of "underserved" languages as "those with a small literary corpus", but there's no clear or objective criteria for how small the literary corpus has to be in order to be small enough.
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Category:Songs about body positivity
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT for just one song. As always, "Songs about [topic]" does not automatically need to exist for every possible topic anybody could possibly sing a song about -- it would require at least five or six articles, not just one, and it would require "songs about body positivity" to represent a collective grouping that
reliable sources have already identified and analyzed as a topic in its own right.
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Category:X in Boston by neighborhood
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Merge, per nom. Might be worth noting that these small cats were created by a user who has a longtime habit of such activity.
Erictalk20:52, 3 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge Ultimately, it makes more sense to have a single category as it will be easier for the reader to find what he's looking for.
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Category:Lost Media
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Nominator's rationale: Category of unclear necessity. The contents here are not individual works of lost media, but concept articles about "Lost [type of media]" (artworks, film, literature, television) — but all of them are already categorized in
Category:Lost works (either directly or through a subcategory) as it is, making this essentially just redundant to another category that already exists.
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Category:Trilateral Commission members
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Minor planets by source of name, redux
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Nominator's rationale: Parent category
Category:Minor planets named from mythology was deleted a couple of weeks ago per
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 14#Astronomical objects by source of name as a violation of
WP:SHAREDNAME, but these were left behind even though the issues aren't substantively different — if the parent category isn't defining enough to exist, then the child categories inherently aren't defining enough to exist either. But conversely, if the child categories are defining enough to exist, then the parent category is necessary to keep them together and has to be restored, not least because the deletion of the parent left a couple of these completely orphaned from the category tree.
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Support The "descent" categories are typically used for intergenerational situations, so that is not a useful category for Soviet Ukrainians. While ethnic nationality was documented in Soviet times, the coverage of this is poor thus it's not a useful categorisation method now. Much better information is available on location, so
Category:Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic people is sufficient for this need.
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Category:Star Magic Batch 1-21
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Category:Sexual affairs in the Evangelical Church
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Nominator's rationale: "Sexual affairs" has a certain connotation that is unwelcome and rather limiting in this topic. I propose "Sexual abuse scandals" for parity with Catholic Church categories.
Elizium23 (
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09:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Only one of the articles using this category is actually an article about a scandal or affair. The other articles are for people who were involved with a scandal. This suggests to me that the name of the category or proposed name is still not right. It could be removed outright, as a not-defining category, but perhaps a more suitable name could be proposed.
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Senator2029: How do you feel about "sexual abuse scandals" in the Catholic Church? Is that too specific? Should we recategorize into adultery and fornication scandals? What about abuse of power scandals, which is what they really are?
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Peterkingiron: I disagree that we should distribute it across each Evangelical "denomination". Do you understand how many hundreds of separate entities that would entail? And do you also comprehend the internecine arguments about where the sexual abuse scandal belongs, here or there in which denomination? No way. We need to place a large umbrella as possible around this until the topic supports dividing it up to anything smaller than Evangelicalism. As it is, there will be enough trouble definining the borders of that one.
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00:39, 23 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Agree with Elizium23, a further split by denomination would only lead to very tiny categories. Again, making it broader ("in Christianity") instead of narrower is still an option.
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Category:Horses in mythology
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Keep - the former is being used as a topic category (as Marcocapelle observes) and the latter is (correctly) a set subcategory. There is always a complete overlap between a category and its subcategory.
Oculi (
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12:20, 17 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I've been trying to do some cleaning up in the mythology category and pages and keep running into similar issues. I reached out to
Wikipedia:WikiProject Mythology but didn't get any feed back. I've been struggling with the functional differences between Mythic/Mythical/Mythological/of Mythology/Legendary/Folklore/in Folklore/in Religion along with the nebulous Creature/Monster/Animal/Spirit. Despite reading the category guidelines multiple times, I've been struggling with it. This seemed like the place of active experts on categories.
RaidRexx (
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19:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)reply
I think "X in myth and legend" might be the easiest path forward. Religion ones and spirits probably would need to be on a case-by-case basis and some could end up under both trees. Those splits by "vertebrates" and "mammals" etc, seem like WP:OR, though I understand the want for some subdivision. Also, be careful of fictional versions of these as well. I hope that helps : ) - jc3706:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)reply
To the best of my understanding (but I may be wrong) the word "mythological" is mainly used when referring to extinguished religions while "legendary" has no connection to past or current religion.
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If that works, great. But in my past experience in previous discussions, it's murky at best, and example references often don't even try to make a distinction, and often use them pretty interchangeably, with only a semantic distinction, at best. - jc3707:06, 22 November 2022 (UTC)reply
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