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Nominator's rationale: What qualifies as a white savior film is subjective. Categories don't allow for nuisance or context. Everyone of these film articles should discuss the white savior trope in it, but provide context and all relevant viewpoints. I don't think putting it a category is at all helpful. JDDJS (
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Delete. Not a defining category. Also splashed about far too casually as is on the articles - sourcing that a film was accused of being a white savior film by XYZ is handy, but it's not like there's an authoritative source on the matter, making it difficult to entangle one eccentric opinion from a general consensus that yes, this film invokes white savior tropes. To be a category, we'd need something more than "someone somewhere accused this of being a white savior film once".
SnowFire (
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06:04, 6 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Very common trend in films to depict exceptional or heroic "white" characters. There are available sources on the topic, and this should be covered on both the main articles and on categories. An analysis of a film's themes and implications is more relevant real-world information than reviews by jaded film critics.
Dimadick (
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21:06, 9 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Categories need to be defining and have a clear inclusion criteria per
WP:CATV. Whether a film won an Academy Award or not is objective. Whether a film is a classic, or a box office bomb, or is anti-fascist, or is pro-fascist, is inherently a matter of weighing critic's opinions (well, barring categories like literal
Category:Nazi propaganda films, but that's an objective case too, who funded it and why). There's available sources on lots of elements of films that can be covered in prose but that aren't appropriate for categories, because they're subjective.
SnowFire (
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06:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)reply
To echo what
SnowFire is saying, this is not at all about not covering the topic of white savior narrative on the film articles. It should absolutely be talked about on the pages. But in the end, it's subjective whether or not the film is a white savior film. And categories cannot be subjective. JDDJS (
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Category:Former Hindus by nationality
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Category:High school football competitions in the United States
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Not every category has to be anchored to an article, but it is usual, if there is a defining article, that the names should be the same. I think this is particularly important if the name is not self-explanatory to an English speaker. It is not clear, at least not to me, what defines the members of the category. Many of the articles do not use either term.
Rathfelder (
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14:49, 5 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Articles using neither term should be removed from both categories. That is a separate issue, not resolved by merging a set category into a topic category, generally a bad idea.
Oculi (
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09:03, 6 September 2021 (UTC)reply
The problem is not the lack of definition. Its accessibility. It is not obvious to a casual user, or at least not to me, what the term signifies - and I have just worked through more than a thousand Jewish biographies.
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15:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Western (genre) romantic films
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Nominator's rationale: As with adjectives like action, adventure and drama which have been addressed in earlier CFDs, romance is integral to the vast majority of Westerns. The genre cannot be artificially sub-divided just because, as with nearly all of this category's entries, there happens to be a female co-star. Additions to the category are bound to be subjective because many of the films listed only contain romance to the extent that the hero is married (as is the case with the films about Custer and his wife) or that he and the leading lady walk away hand in hand in the final scene. On the other hand, the category doesn't include numerous Westerns in which romantic sub-plots are key to the storyline – My Darling Clementine, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, Rio Grande and The Magnificent Seven among many.No Great Shaker (
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10:24, 5 September 2021 (UTC)reply
The point is that romance is nearly always present in Westerns to the extent that, like Westerns with action and drama, it is futile and illogical to create a category because the films encompass two distinct genres. A category like
War romance films is fine because it is unusual for a war film to include a romance but there are very, very few Westerns that do not. In some Westerns like Rio Grande, romance is a significant factor but usually it is a case of hero and heroine joining hands in the final scene. This makes the category impractical as a subjective view must be taken of how much romance is on show. If a Western contains a strong romantic element, it should be categorised as both a Western and a romance, the same applying if the film is primarily a romance that happens to be set in the Old West.
No Great Shaker (
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12:36, 11 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Nomination amended. I've struck out the last sentence of my nomination because Dimadick has made a fair point and, on reflection, what is not in the category is irrelevant. Thanks.
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12:42, 11 September 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Jain monarchs
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Nominator's rationale:merge or reverse merge, there have never been Jain monarchs outside the Indian subcontinent. Note that I have tagged both categories.
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08:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Sports in New Iberia, Louisiana
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Oppose I count the two subcats not as '2' but correspondent to their number of elements. Besides, especially sports cats have enormous growth potential. So merge here seems not a good idea! --
Just N. (
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19:26, 3 September 2021 (UTC)reply
There hasn't been a notable professional sports team in New Iberia, LA since 1955. The town's population is only 28,000. If there is some surge to return pro sports to this small city in Louisiana, we can always recreate the category.--
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Category:COVID-19 monuments and memorials
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Support – Although the new name doesn't match the established category tree, it makes sense to refer to the pandemic, as some of the memorials are to aspects of the pandemic other than victims of the disease.
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01:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Time travel anime and manga
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Category:RENFE Operadora multiple units
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