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Marcocapelle:, Potentially, although they are separate Wikipedia pages. The competition was reformed in 2006 under a different name (originally Air New Zealand Cup before becoming Mitre 10 Cup), but ahead of this season has reverted to the National Provincial Championship moniker. The competition now has far fewer teams than it did from 1976–2005, but I'm not opposed to merging.
Rugbyfan22 (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Should these categories be renamed separately or merged into one?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗plicit07:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator comment Happy for these to be merged. Seems to be some previous precedent of merging categories despite the article being split.
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Category:Active Wikipedia database reports
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Comment: This category is kind of a dog as it stands. Pppery is correct – I applied these to all of the reports that were active in May, but since the category isn't in the template used by bots to generate the pages, it perversely only includes the reports that haven't been updated since then (currently, one day less than a month). If there's a way to add this category to the bots' templates, I think this would obviously make it useful. Otherwise, yes, all of the things in here can be moved to the category for inactive reports (with the inactive tag) and it can be deleted. jp×g02:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
It's not quite all of them: some of the pages in this category are {{DBR index}}es, which only transclude or link to other pages and don't themselves get overwritten, or {{wikidata list}}s, where the bot is smart enough to not overwrite the category addition. Any merger to the inactive category needs to be done manually.
* Pppery *it has begun...14:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
The original reason I nominated was because the bots weren't including the category when they updated the page. It appears that this has been remedied for some reports, and the bot is now including the category, so my original rationale no longer applies. I still think this should be deleted, since shares the same problem as all "Current/Active foo" categories (that it's likely nobody will remove reports from the category if they stop being updated) and there's already a more complete list of all reports including the time they last ran at
Wikipedia:Database reports, but it's at least no longer serving a purpose directly opposite to its name.
* Pppery *it has begun...19:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete There needs to be some plausible claim that this category is helpful to keep and I don't see how it could be. (If anyone uses it, tag me and I'll gladly reverse my !vote.) -
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Nominator's rationale: Per the description, These pages need attention from a developer or bot operator because they are either not producing useful output, or they are not being updated at all. In every case I checked, the problem was the latter (not being updated), making the category redundant to
Category:Inactive Wikipedia database reports, and in no cases I can find has any attention been given as a result of this category being added. Also, not producing useful output is subjective (a report can be useful to one person but not another person). I'm proposing deletion rather than a merge because this category went on the talk page whereas the inactive category goes on the subject page, and this category was added by one person in 2016, making it too out of date to be a good merge candidate.
* Pppery *it has begun...18:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Islamic studies scholars by nationality
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Oppose. It seems like it's already being used and has room for growth as coverage of those academics is added to Wikipedia over time. --
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16:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support -- the result will not be to delete something useful but to make the national categories directly sub-cats of the target, which is appropriate.
Peterkingiron (
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17:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Hmm, I was going to give the anoalogy of how we treat
Category:Christian Studies scholars, but I just realized we lack such a category. We have
Category:Mormon studies scholars which I think we should rename to
Category:Latter Day Saints studies scholars, but we do not even seem to have
Cateogry:Catholic studies scholars,
Category:Protestantism studies scholars etc. There may be a reflection here that groups subjected to a religious studies approach have tended to be those outside what is considered the mainstream of Western Culture (those subject to be covered by people who Edward Said defined as "Orientalists"), and this may back up my theory that much of the approach to studying members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been informaed by the views and techniques of othering in Orientalism. It also goes back to the clear defining as Asiactic and thus outside any protection and fully punishable of Plural Marriage at the heart of the Reynolds Decision and even more the often ignored upholding of the Idaho Test Oath. Also, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Idaho were denied the vote not because they were viewed as non-Christians, Idaho was the first state to elect a Jew as governor, but because they were viewed as non-White, Idaho at the time excluded Native Americans from voting, even the substantial numbers of Native Americans in the state that were members of the Catholic Church or other Christian Churches.
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Category:DYK/Pages/Soft redirects
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The result of the discussion was:delete. I'm not sure if a sub-template of {{DYKT}} may have been changed since the nomination, but the current contents are category talk pages, template talk pages and WT pages; i did not find any that are redirects, so the purpose expressed by John Cline does not seem to be in operation. –
FayenaticLondon12:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: All pages in this category are talk pages which instead of being tagged as a "soft redirect" should actually be a full redirect with the following:
#REDIRECT [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know]]
{{Redirect category shell|
{{R from remote talk page}}
}}
There is no reason for either the category nor for not directly leading the users to the talk page.
Gonnym (
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10:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep - The category serves its purpose for tracking these talk pages and the reader is better served leaving them as soft redirects because it allows them to choose their destination depending on whether their question is subject related or technical in nature. ----
John Cline (
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18:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete No, readers are not being served by this distinction because I cannot find a single post related to the did you know process at
Help talk:Template or it's most recent archive (dating back to 2017). Given that, it's clear that these soft redirects get in the way without accomplishing anything.
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Category:People with developmental coordination disorder
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Comment Are these sixteen biography articles probably pillories or else courage inducing? Well, this category exposes people who coped with that severe handicap and somehow achieved a succesful career. --
Just N. (
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07:39, 20 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I tend to keep because it is indeed DEFINING for these 16 biographies that they successfully coped with a hard handicap and made it to have a career and therefor a Wikipedia article. --
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Category:People born with cleft palate
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I certainly can't argue
WP:SMALLCAT here because, according to the
Cleft lip and cleft palate article, it occurs "in about 1 to 2 per 1000 births in the developed world" and these biographies are from the developed world. Comedian
Cheech Marin, racing executive
Charles Jeter, and singer
Richard Hawley are not remotely defined by this medical condition and the articles give it a passing mention in the "early life" sections. Wikipedia is not a medical history of every diseases or ailment of notable people. -
RevelationDirect (
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Keep AFAIK this handicap is healable. So the examples easily found by category are positive courage empowering and not the pillory for unhealable handicapped people that we can't wish to expose. --
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Category:Zincblende crystal structure
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Ah, I can see that
redirect is confusing. I don't think that's necessary. "Sphalerite" is a more common name than "Zincblende" when referring to a mineral, but "zincblende/zinc blende" is apparently the preferred name when referring to the crystal structure. (just going by search engine hits here)
Sphalerite concerns the mineral; the place for a discussion of the crystal structure is the section in
cubic crystal system. I do think it would be better to have zincblende redirect to
Cubic crystal system#Zincblende structure though. 〈
Forbes72 |
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22:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Most of them are semiconductors, yes, but zincblende
Mercury sulfide is a topological insulator and zincblende
Chromium(II) selenide and
Mercury telluride are better described as half-metals. There's at least a half dozen other similar exceptions that might come up later, but don't have articles at the moment. What do you suggest here? 〈
Forbes72 |
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22:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Are we designing Wikipedia in preference for specialists like crystallographers or for the use of all of us who don't understand sophisticated specialist vocabulary? Zincblende e.g. is a word you find in a crystallography museum or bestowments shop and - just as I do - even remember but "sphalerite crystal stucture" is beyond the understanding of most all of us! --
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Category:NaCl structure
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Nominator's rationale: Should not use an abbreviation, but am uncertain whether it should instead refer to "sodium chloride", "halite", or "rock salt". –
LaundryPizza03 (
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17:20, 13 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename to Chemical compounds with xxx structure, per actual category content: it is a set category with articles about compounds. It should also become a subcategory of
Category:Chemical compounds. I do not have a strong opinion what xxx should become.
Marcocapelle (
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04:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)reply
SuggestCategory:Halite-type crystal structure. Some materials will be capable of having more than one crystal structure. Prefix that with "compounds with ...", if you will. I would prefer halite to rock salt, as the standard geological name. Using NaCl or Sodium Chloride may be correct but fails to indicate that this is about crystal structure. Atoms can be close-packed in crystals in various ways, as I think I was taught in my first year B.Sc. in chemistry nearly 50 years ago.
Peterkingiron (
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21:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep! It should better remain in layman's terms. Almost everybody (except completely uneducated) knows NaCl and very few "xy" structure. Don't crush Wikipedia's usability by making it unnecessarily complicated in its wordings. --
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Category:Children
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Nominator's rationale: This category is a mixture of 2 unrelated groups: people who gained their notability at least partially through their parents (e.g
John Quincy Adams, born 1767, clearly unnotable prior to his father becoming Vice President in 1789 when he was 21) and people notable as children who were born to non-notable parents (e.g
Daniel Radcliff, known as the actor who played Harry Potter).
Animal lover 666 (
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06:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Procedural comment: if we would split this, we should also split all subcategories by nationality, for consistency. Splitting can only be done manually. Is it worth the effort? Is nominator volunteering for this task?
Marcocapelle (
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16:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment I think a bigger problem is that we have categories like
Category:Foreign Service brats the subjects were not notable as children, and they are not notable in part because of their parentage (John Quincy Adams is a bad example of that phenomenon as well, he is clearly notable indepdent of his parentage) but are groups based on the occupation of their parents when they were children. I think we used to have
Category:Military brats but deleted it because we decided it was non-defining.
John Pack Lambert (
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19:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC)reply
True, but in the cases involved here, we have categories limited either to people who made significant contributions to a field while a child (although I am not sure we have made sure that
Category:Child actors and its huge number of sub-cats avoid all cases of people who had non-notable acting roles as children and then later went on to become notable for some other reason) or people grouped in categories by parent. These are holding categories and the argument at hand is that they are grouping people in unlike way. One problem is that while
Category:Children has no direct biographical articles (It has direct articles such as
Teachings of Jesus about little children and
Juvenile life insurance,
Child health and nutrition in Africa etc, a category like
Category:American children has mainly biographical entries including
McCaughey septuplets, on people in their 20s who are only notable because they were born in a large group.
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Category:Islands of South Georgia
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Nominator's rationale: South Georgia, and the South Sandwich Islands, are islands themselves, and neither of the two are a separate administrative region containing the surrounding islands, as far as I can see. So "islands of" does not make too much sense in this case and they can can better be merged to the broader category.
Marcocapelle (
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08:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)reply
The question really is: should they be treated as two distinct archipelagoes? The number of google hits that I have for a "South Georgia group" is pretty negligible, and (as a matter of OR) South Georgia is close enough to the South Sandwich Islands.
Marcocapelle (
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09:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose. They are two distinct archipelagoes, which are administered as a single British territory. For islands, considering the two archipelagoes separately makes sense.
Place Clichy (
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14:09, 21 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I agree with Place Clichy, though I'm not as opposed to FL's suggestion as I would be to the original suggestion of a merge.
Grutness...wha?07:56, 22 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Ok, then at least I'm withdrawing my original proposal. If, possibly,
User:Fayenatic london withdraws their alternative as well we can speedily close this discussion and return to the original discussion about adding a disambiguator.
Marcocapelle (
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08:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)reply
The original discussion was on the Speedy page. I support
Place Clichy's suggestion of "Islets", and
Category:Islets of South Georgia (island) is better than "Islands of South Georgia (island)". But if we take this back to the Speedy page, I fear that there may be insufficient precedent for speedy renaming to "Islets". How about seeking consensus for that here? I'd drop the alt re Rocks. –
FayenaticLondon10:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Gonnym: Thanks for checking. The page
Islet does acknowledge prominently that "Most definitions are not precise". This category is for small islands around a big island, and I was content to support the use of "Islets" with that implied meaning. –
FayenaticLondon11:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron: for clarification: the reason for the disambiguator (island) is that South Georgia can also mean the south of the country Georgia or the south of the American state Georgia.
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Category:Victims of the 2012 Aurora shooting
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Nominator's rationale: Very few, if any of the articles featured in the nominated categories are actually articles and not redirect links to the events themselves. As such, the categories should be deleted, per
the deletion discussion for the now-deleted "Victims of the Columbine High School massacre" category, which concluded there should be no need for categories for redirects.
Love of Corey (
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04:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support for the first four, weak support for the Virginia tech one. The first four are virtually nothing but redirects (only two actual articles between the four cats). This is understandable, as, no offence intended to them, the victims were almost all only notable because they were killed (and therefore
WP:BIO1E applies). I'm pretty sure the victims' names are listed in the articles about the attacks anyway. The last one actually has several real articles, so it may be more viable.
Grutness...wha?05:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - So, what's the status on this discussion? Given the unanimous consent, will the deletions be moving forward? Or are we waiting for more votes?
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