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Nominator's rationale This category is a sub-cat of
Category:Indian expatriates in the United Kingdom. Some people have expressed the view that students are not actually expatriates. I am not really sure the best course here, but we clearly have people proposing a system that does not make sense. In my mind students who study in one country who then go back to their home country create a cultural bridge, and so the fact that they were in another specific country is going to be specific. I am thinking that in the case of short term times as exchange students it is not worth categorizing by, but in the case of being a degree seeking student the issue is worth categorizing by. I would make similar proposals for other categories if this one works. Alternately maybe we could remove the expatriate parent from this category. What does not make sense at least to me is the attempt to impose one criteria for the parent and a totally different criteria for the child category.
John Pack Lambert (
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19:36, 21 December 2021 (UTC)reply
So in your view do degree seeking students from country A in country B count as country A expatriates in country B? This is my view, but I am trying to see if it is widely held.
John Pack Lambert (
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13:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)reply
A- if it is not defining for other students, why is it defining for these? B- "Degree seeking" is for those who are in a country seeking a degree, instead of those who are in a country on a short term (usually a semester or less) exchange or study abroad program, who in general are seeking degrees at institutions either in their home country or in another country.
John Pack Lambert (
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13:34, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
A, then we should have a conversation about deletion of the category, instead of renaming. However, I do not expect any consensus for that. B, ok I see what you mean but without context it remains an odd phrase.
Marcocapelle (
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06:19, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep -- This is a graduate student programme, nearly 120 years old. It happens to have been rather good at picking students who have subsequently become highly notable. Being an (any old) Indian expatriate student in UK would be NN. Precedent might suggest we should listify and delete as an AWARD, but it is an unusual one.
Peterkingiron (
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15:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)reply
You ignore that most of our articles are on people who recieved advanced training in medical and law fields, or other professional levels of training, in Britain, and then returned to India. The fact that they were not at a specific program in Oxford does not in fact show for sure that their training was not impoirtant to their career, it often was.
John Pack Lambert (
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13:34, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Zen Buddhists from Northern Ireland
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Category:Massacres perpetrated by Muslims
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What exactly is the difference between "Massacres perpetrated by Muslim terrorists" and
Category:Islamic terrorism (which then has subcategories
Category:Islamic terrorism by country etc)? How does one determine whether a terrorist attack is a massacre or not? Also keep in mind that "Islamic terrorism" is not the same thing as "Muslim terrorist".
Kurdistan Workers' Party is a designated terror organization that is composed of Muslims, but it is not usually considered "Islamic terrorism" since it is not motivated by religion.VRtalk18:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)reply
The second issue is that the only difference between violent incidents at
Category:Islamic terrorism and
Category:Massacres perpetrated by Islamic terrorists will be that the latter incidents have the word "massacre" in them. Can you show that the intersection of Islamic/Jewish terrorism and the use of the word "massacre" is notable, let alone defining? Why don't we also have categories for massacres related to political violence by Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh/Communist/Far-right/Ecological/anti-abortion/white nationalist perpetrators etc. VRtalk02:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Not sure why this would be a second issue. You keep worrying about the concept of a "massacre" which implies that the whole tree should be nominated. Or you might first start a CFR about it.
Marcocapelle (
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05:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)reply
To avoid a misunderstanding: I am not supporting the nomination (neither am I opposing it), I just said: if the categories are not going to be kept then this is the proper way to go (implying otherwise I would oppose).
Marcocapelle (
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07:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete these redundant, racist categories. Any suggestion that crimes committed by people sharing ancestry with a racial, ethnic, or religious group are a unique category on account of the ostensible cultural or genetic relation between the perpetrators can only be seen as an expression of bigotry unsuited for Wikipedia.
TheTimesAreAChanging (
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11:13, 30 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Given that the relevant categories (e.g., "Islamic terrorism", "Persecution by Muslims", "Jewish religious terrorism", "Judaism and violence", "Massacres committed by Israel", "Zionist terrorism", etc.) already exist, and that the creator of "Massacres perpetrated by Jews"
applied it to violent incidents perpetrated by secular Jewish Zionists, your analysis is evidently incorrect.
TheTimesAreAChanging (
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11:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete both of these categories. If there is any reliable evidence that terrorist incidents are motivated by religious beliefs or concerns, then appropriate categories could be applied. But the fact that perpetrators of particular incidents are, or are perceived to be, Muslims or Jews is of no relevance. I note that there is no
Category:Massacres perpetrated by Christians, which would probably be several times larger than these two categories combined, and which would presumably have been created if the intention had not been to stigmatise Muslim and Jewish minority communities. RolandR (
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"then appropriate categories could be applied" -> that is exactly why I oppose straight deletion! If the categories aren't kept they should be merged.
Marcocapelle (
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08:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)reply
The relevant categories already exist. The "Massacres by perpetrator" category does not include any racial, ethnic, or religious groups other than Jews and Muslims, because categorizing solely by race, ethnicity, or religion is a scientifically dubious way to gather information.
TheTimesAreAChanging (
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11:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete and salt - just like
Category:Muslim inventors is being deleted because being Muslim doesn't defines person's creativity, here doesn't defines its propensity to commit crime, or violence - sometimes crime can be committed by Muslim(s) in the name of religion, but what if muslim(s) commit a crime in ethnic or nationalist wars? Delete without Redirect!--
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Category:Heads of state of the Czech Republic
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Nominator's rationale: Neither the Bohemian monarchs nor Czechoslovak presidents were ever heads of state of the Czech Republic (
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c) buidhe13:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Query Is every President of Foo automatically a member of Heads of state of Foo ? Foo probably changed names between being a monarchy and a republic so it would be a case of PerfectCat. That seems like a bad idea.
Laurel Lodged (
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11:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Peterkingiron's rename proposal does not work, because many Bohemian kings were foreigners (not Czech) and some presidents of Czechoslovakia were Slovaks (not Czech).
Marcocapelle (
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06:32, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete with manual merge to selective parent categories. To aid navigation, I have added preceding /succeeding links between the sub cats. If not deleted, rename to Heads of state of the Czech lands. –
FayenaticLondon23:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Syndromes affecting the eyes
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Oppose renaming "eye" to "eyes", support unifying to simply "of the eye". "Adnexa" just means "fastened to" and is used here to describe all the auxiliary structures in the socket. I don't think much is gained by adding it, except confusion. It seems overly technical to me, and I have a doctorate in one scientific subject and have almost completed another... Simplicity should reign here, and we lose it by focusing overly on accuracy. —
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Category:Demolished hotels in the United States
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Nominator's rationale: These categories are improperly parented. I fear branching out the correct parent tree would lead to
WP:OVERCAT so upmerging these seems like the best option. Some county/city categories are large enough to warrant a rename to state category where more articles can be included. –
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15:30, 12 December 2021 (UTC)reply
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