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Support: I've been working on the the Dark Sun main page for a while now. Users can find information about these things in from that page. I agree. No need for this list.
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23:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:7th-century BC establishments in Guatemala
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Category:1750s in the United States
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Category:11th century in Canada
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Nominator's rationale:Canada was created in 1867, prior to that there was no Canada. Anachronistic category, imposing colonial concepts on events and peoples prior to colonization.
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17:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:High school national basketball association draft picks
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Category:Empires and kingdoms of Iran
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Nominator's rationale: Duplicate or mostly overlapping categories. The target category already gathers former empires and kingdoms in the history of Persia and Iran, and the nominated categories have little other content. Their parent categories refer to the linguistic group of the
Iranian peoples, which is a different topic and is not defining for centuries-old states.
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14:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:5th-century establishments in Roman Egypt
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Oppose, as a redundant addition. Yes, Egypt was part of the Roman and Byzantine Empire, but why does that fact require a mention in the category name?
Marcocapelle (
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15:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)reply
You appear to oversee the earlier nomination of June 6, 2017 that is being linked to in the June 17 discussion. In any case "Roman Egypt" and "Egypt" had to be merged.
Marcocapelle (
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18:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Support as nom without prejudice to a subsequent change. This needs to be the subject of a much wider discussion. The habitable area of Egypt is the Nile valley and delta, which is what we mean by Egypt today. At some periods there is a problem over what we mean by "Egypt" meant a rather wider area extending into Syria. This applies to some periods of ancient Egypt and some medieval ones, so that this is not quite as easy as BHG implies. The present nom concerns the Roman/Byzantine divide, where I think we should stick to the last consensus reached. One might argue for a host of dates on this, possibly as early as the division into Eastern and Western Empires under Diocletian. We certainly should not be using Roman after the collapse of the Western Empire in the 440s, though the Byzantine rulers referred to themselves as Romans long after. For the wider question, perhaps we should have a category series for Egypt defined as the Nile valley and delta and adjacent deserts, but with a wider sibling (or parent) covering those parts of successive Egyptian kingdoms beyond the scope of "Egypt". I think this needs a mass nomination perhaps by BHG.
Peterkingiron (
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16:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Indeed the question was about completing Roman/Byzantine split, already agreed in prior nomination, but now opposed in speedy. However, it seems that many editors are using the concepts
Egypt (modern Arab Republic of Egypt) and
Lower Egypt interchangeably, thus creating this opposition. Technically within Wikipedia "in Egypt" means in
Egypt (Arab Republic of Egypt), if we want categories about geographical location then it should have been "in Lower Egypt". Obviously, almost all "in <country>" categories are about modern states and Egypt should probably be not an exception, but that is very hard for some to conceptualize.
GreyShark (
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20:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
This is all wildly mistaken reasoning. Many countries have had radically changing borders, and changing the category names to reflect these changes would be a path to madness. How many dozen names would we need for the United States if we changed the category name with every territorial expansion on the USA's path from being a wee corner of north-Eastern North America to a huge slice of the full width of the continent plus a non-contiguous
vast swathe of tundra purchased from Russia plus colonial outposts in the Craibbean and Oceania?
the central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links
. Greyshark09 and a few others are approaching categories as if they were an attempt to create some of strict Linnean taxonomy, which is absolutely wrong. Unless and until an RFC agrees to radically change the purpose of the categorisation system, Greyshark09 and others should stop disrupting its current purpose. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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06:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Take a look at the content of
Category:1920s in Angola - it says "This category is for topics specifically related to the decade 1920s in
Angola" and it tries to connect it to the
Portal:Angola instead of
Portal:Portugal. To fit this logic - one needs a very complicated change in the "decade in country category" module or an enormous number of redirects. Moreover,
Portuguese Angola was actually called
Portuguese West Africa through most of its centuries of existence, changed to Angola only just prior to independence. It doesn't seem Angola had any meaning prior to 20th century. And what happens if
Angola changes its name as
North Macedonia has recently done? Or changes it borders? Rewriting all category tree from scratch? It violates the principle of Wikipedia for page name stability.
Category:1920s in Portuguese Mozambique is a much more stable and concise solution.
GreyShark (
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09:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks for pointing out that
Portal:Portugal was missing on Angola categories pre-1975; this is now fixed.
Although I would have preferred to relist with a bigger group for a more comprehensive solution, I do support renaming the two nominated Roman Egypt categories to just Egypt, as others have suggested. –
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Category:The Bachelor
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Category:Sunni Rashidun Caliphs
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Nominator's rationale: The
Rashidun caliphs were—by retroactive definition, at least—Sunni. It is redundant to add "Sunni" to the category name. The nominated category was recently created as a subcategory of the target category. Technically, no merger is required as all of the articles in the nominated category are in the target category.
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Category:Songs recorded at Henson Recording Studios
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Nominator's rationale: I looked at a handful of articles in this category and the only mentions of Henson are usually in the infobox, a credits section, or just in passing. There can't be many songs that are defined by where it was recorded. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me00:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)reply
^ don't think that is a valid reason for deleting the category. It is a helpful category to have particularly as this is a well known recording studio steeped in history. I don't see how having this category is any different from having "Song recording produced by x" categories which are also fields in the infobox. ≫
Lil-Unique1-{
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Listify. Not really appropriate for a category, but a list is a reasonable idea, especially since it would also allow for worthy songs without articles to be listed, along with albums and artists' names.
Grutness...wha?04:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Where a song is recorded is not a defining characteristic of that song, Not opposed to listification of some of the output of some studios, subject to usual WP guidelines. --
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14:24, 3 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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