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Support - per nom. Standard naming convention is for the category to be '[CLUB] players'; there is no need for 'footballers' when the club is a football club, that is a given! There is some inconsistency in category naming for clubs in Spanish/South American countries, but this should be remedied.
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Category:Female United States major party vice presidential nominees
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merge to candidates. "Major" is subjective, but the target category might be limited to those who have been (or will be) on the ballot in a majority of states.
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Category:Canadian Alliance candidates in the 2000 Canadian federal election
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Nominator's rationale: Although we've been lagging in actually getting these deleted, due to the sheer enormity of the job, CFD has established a consensus against categorizing Canadian political candidates by individual election that they ran in (see e.g.
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 July 23#Category:Liberal Party of Canada candidates in the 1867 Canadian federal election,
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 February 19#Category:New Democratic Party candidates in the 1962 Canadian federal election, etc.) It's overly granular for the level of importance that it entails: firstly, we don't even categorize actual MPs for every separate election that they ran in or every separate sitting of Parliament that they were members of, and there's no reason to categorize losing candidates more specifically than we categorize the winners -- and secondly, since being a candidate isn't actually a notability claim that gets a person into Wikipedia in and of itself, people only have articles to file here if they have tangential notability for other reasons besides the candidacies per se, thus often making these permanent
WP:SMALLCATs. And furthermore, it leads to extreme category bloat as candidates frequently don't only run once, and can instead end up having to be filed in somewhere between two and 100 (
I'm not making that up) of these at once. So one category per party is fine, but we don't need to obsessively subcategorize unsuccessful candidates for office this narrowly.
Bearcat (
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14:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Generally support -- In UK we have a category only for elected MPs for each Parliament. In Canada, the equivalent would probably be for federal and provincial legislatures. The consensus is that failed candidates are NN, unless notable for other reasons. This means that we ought not to have categories for candidates; certainly not multiple ones.
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15:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Games by Miloskvan
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Contests
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Nominator's rationale: to resolve the mismatch between container categories and their contents. The parents use "Competitions", but the by-year cats use "contests".
(The decade categories have just been created by me, using the same format).
I think that the choice comes down to which term is more inclusive, and to my mind that's "contests", which is Option A.
The category series is underdeveloped and underpopulated, but it should include other forms of contest such as elections and awards ... not all of which can be readily described as competitions. --
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Category:Neil Hamburger albums
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Nominator's rationale: Precedent for both naming categories after the main article and also after the actual artist who performed it (i.e. "Neil Hamburger" is a character of Gregg Turkington). ―
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Category:Wikipedians in the Mediation Cabal
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Nominator's rationale The heading of the category explicitly says this category is limited to those who served as missionaries for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The manual of style we have, and the requests of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints itself explicitly depricate this use of the term to refer to the Church and its members. I think we should rename all categories, but there are a huge number of categories. So for now these are all I managed to nominate.
John Pack Lambert (
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04:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose: It would be inappropriate for Wikipedia to simply follow the LDS Church's styleguide
link, and while the styleguides of some news organizations have made some accommodations, they stop well short of the widespread purging of the word "Mormon" that is advocated here. Here are some examples of changes the church's styleguide would have us make:
"Mormonism" → "the restored gospel of Jesus Christ"
"LDS Church" → "the restored Church of Jesus Christ", "the Church of Jesus Christ", or "the Church" (capitalized)
Obviously those don't fit with our NPOV policy.
But more importantly, "Mormon missionaries" is the common name. The church's missionaries are widely, almost universally, recognized as that, and the conciseness of that name makes it unlikely to die out in the near future. And up until a couple years ago the church was actively promoting the use and acceptance of the term "Mormon", for example, in its
I'm a Mormon ad campaign and its documentary
Meet the Mormons.
Another reason I oppose this change is that generations of church members have lived and died while strongly identifying as "Mormons". And there's a large portion of Mormons that may not be active/engaged members of the church, including
Inactive Mormons,
Cultural Mormons,
Jack Mormons,
Ex-Mormons,
Liberal Mormons, etc. It just feels wrong to retroactively recategorize all these people. I understand it's frustrating not being able to control what people call you, but that's the way this messy world works. I'm an "American", even though that's a sloppy term. The more accurate term ("Citizen of the United States of America") is just too long for casual conversation, something that could also be said about
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. ~
Awilley (
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Oppose. As noted by the nominator, there are many, many more "Mormon missionary" categories than the number that have been nominated here. See
Category:Mormon missionaries and subcategories. Why would we rename these but leave all of the others? I also agree that "Mormon missionaries" is the common name, and it has the added benefit of being a shorter form than using the full name of the LDS Church. I think
Awilley illustrates these points well. It may be best to await
this RM before taking any action on the categories.
Good Ol’factory(talk)01:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
WP:COMMONNAME as emphasized by "—widely known as Mormon missionaries—" in the first words of the
main article. Also note that the spelling technicalities of using Latter Day Saint for the larger movement and Latter-day Saint for the main Church are cryptic to the common reader. We could benefit from waiting for the result of the
ongoing RM.
Place Clichy (
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09:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose The target to far too much of a mouthful. If "Mormon" is objectionable, then "LDS missionaries" could be used. However, every LDS (male?) member is expected to spend a period as a missionary as a young adult, almost as a rite of passage, so that this category could be applied to any LDS member, meaning that being an LDS missionary is a NN characteristic of LDS members.
Category:Missionaries_(LDS_Church) would also be acceptable.
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16:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional Moroccan Jews
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