Category:Indigenous people of the Circum-Caribbean
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Delete per Marcocapelle. On a side note, I wonder if
Category:People of indigenous peoples descent should not be deleted, as it is mostly about expatriate descent from peoples considered indigenous in their region of origin, and I wonder how it can be defining to have in your ascendancy a people considered indigenous but not be indigenous yourself.
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Category:Backing vocalists
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Nominator's rationale: Category which was recreated in March 2020, nine months after having been deleted at
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 30#Category:Backing vocalists -- but the problem remains that literally any singer who exists at all can be "lead singer" on some songs and "backup singer" on others, making this effectively an indiscriminate category for every singer who has an article to categorize. That doesn't change just because the incomplete and non-representative selection of random singers selected last time was mostly in the rock genre while this time it's mostly R&B singers -- because the singers filed here this time include
Martha Wash and
Luther Vandross and
Merry Clayton, who are merely the three most famous names among many other artists who have certainly done some backing vocal work but have also been the primary named artist on the front cover of one or more albums in their own right. (And last time, it was Dave Grohl and David Gilmour and Paul McCartney.) When it comes to singing, backing vs. lead still isn't a useful, maintainable or
defining distinction for the category system to attempt to curate.
Bearcat (
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21:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
And Clydie King, Venetta Fields and Judith Hill have all also released one or more recordings of their own as lead singers in addition to their work as background singers, literally proving my point that it's a distinction failure.
Bearcat (
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01:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I see your point now. Most backing vocalists end up releasing at least one single as a lead singer. I was unaware this category was previously made and deleted. What prompted me to create it was that I saw a category for
session musicians. Session musicians are also just musicians but there is a category and subcategories. I saw some backing singers who aren't musicians were listed, so I made a separate category for backing vocalists. I came across quite a few articles of singers with extensive backing vocal credits for well-known bands. I figured it was a useful category especially for singers who were better known for their backing credits.--
Twixister (
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05:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Ultimately delete after manually emptying. The problem is that the parent "singers" is a container only category, so that the content needs to be diffused into its various subcategories.
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16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mass media in Puerto Rico
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Category:Defunct Guam mass media
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Category:Defunct Puerto Rico mass media
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The result of the discussion was:rename to
Category:Black conservatism in the United States to match the article and purge biographies. I do not believe there is a consensus to create a category for the biographies like "African-American conservatives" or "African-American Republicans" from this discussion, but if someone wants to make such a category, it's up to them. bibliomaniac1518:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment -- We have frequently deleted categories designating people as "liberal" or "conservative" in the past, because this is about a POV. A person may be a conservative in one subject and liberal on another. The exception is where the criterion is membership of a party of that name.
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16:30, 7 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Also, not all conservatives are Republicans and we tend to only categorize folks by party when they have sought or attained some office under such party affiliation. Not every registered Republican finds themselves so categorized, because unlike in some countries "membership" in a party isn't really a thing in the US - you register and that determines in whose primary one may vote, but you have complete freedom to vote for whomever you choose in the final election regardless of which party the candidate you choose represents.
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Category:Sephardi socialists
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Merge the first category to
Category:Jewish socialists only (not the Sephardi parent), delete the second one. When I see this category applied to e.g.
Pierre Mendès France, I think that they need a serious purge. If being Sephardic is defining for an individual, they are most probably already in another Sephardic category, which was the case for the few I checked.
Place Clichy (
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23:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per nominator. I though precisely the same when I first saw this category name, even before I knew what it was nominated for.
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19:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:United States Virgin Islands mass media
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Oppose for now. We might, however, nominate all such categories by USA states for discussion later, as their nomenclature seems to be inconsistent with most of the other mass media categories.
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Category:Defunct mass media in the US Territories
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Category:Russian folk fairy tale
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Nominator's rationale: The category does not state what is the difference between a fairy tale and a folk fairy tale; the parent category is already in
Russian folklore; this is the only folk fairy tale category.
Place Clichy (
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12:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Then why is the main article about folk fairy tales called
Russian fairy tale, and why are
all fairy tales (folk and non-folk, according to you) located at
Russian folklore? Also note that Category:Russian literary fairy tales was
deleted in a previous discussion. I guess that all fairy tales have to be written at someone to get to us, even though they are based on a preexisting oral tradition, as were the Perrault, Grimm and Andersen fairy tales. Splitting a subcategory for those associated with Afanasyev, as suggested by Marcocapelle, may be a good idea.
Place Clichy (
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18:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom Dubious disambiguation. We don't distinguish between folkoring traditions and literary fairy tales in other categories.
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19:36, 6 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:upmerge per nom. The merits of "yacht club" vs. "sailing club" may be subject to a future, more broad-ranging discussion. bibliomaniac1503:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Outside of London, there are only 39 articles in
Category:Yacht clubs in England and, while some counties could grow, all of these county subcats currently have fewer than 5 articles and expanding this approach would lead to a largely anemic category tree. More importantly, breaking up this category by county seems like it would hinder rather than aid navigation for readers since yacht clubs are defined more by the coastline than the county. (I'm neutral on the London subcategory since it's a one-off that's well populated but it's tagged to give flexibility to the outcome.) -
RevelationDirect (
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00:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Upmerge the three county ones with no prejudice against re-creation if numbers increase. PS: the "by city" categories aren't really an accurate comparison.
Grutness...wha?04:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I'm not sure that either OCLOCATION nor SMALLCAT (e.g. "realistic potential for growth") apply here. I wouldn't have created these categories for this number of articles, but as they have been created I don't see a benefit in deleting them (causing watchlist noise on the articles etc). DexDor(talk)05:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Question, many articles in the parent category have "Sailing club" in the title rather than "Yacht club". Shouldn't the categories in this tree then also be named "Sailing clubs"?
Marcocapelle (
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06:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
@
RevelationDirect: "Sailing club" and "Yacht club" are essentially synonymous. The distinction is purely terminological, with "yacht club" carrying echoes of the era of very wealthy people in blazers with paid crew, while "sailing club" is a broader and less elitist term. The trend in the last few decades has been that new cubs are usually called "sailing club". For example, the
International Yacht Racing Union (IYRU) was founded in 1907; in 1996 it changed its name to the International Sailing Federation (ISAF); and in 2015, ISAF changed its name to "World Sailing".
We should probably rename all the "yacht club" categories to "sailing club".
Most sailing clubs or yacht clubs have some sort of physical base: a clubhouse with changing rooms and food/drink, and some or all of: a dinghy park, moorings an/or a marina for bigger boats, and a fleet of boats owned by the club, organising races. The "clubhouse" can be anything from a shack with a kettle, through to large and grand premises more like a posh
country club. Examples at the posher end include the
Howth Yacht Club,
Royal Burnham Yacht Club and the
San Diego Yacht Club.
The
Junior Offshore Group (JOG) is a sailing club which doesn't have a clubhouse or other facilities such as moorings; it just organises offshore races, basically for boats under about 30 feet in length, which is the smallest category of boats capable of safely racing offshore.
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Category:Charles Ives Prize winners
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The
Charles Ives Prize is scholarship for young composers from the
American Academy of Arts and Letters. (Sometimes the same award has also been used for stipends for sabbaticals for people later in their career.) I can't find too much non-Wikipedia coverage and, within the biography articles, it doesn't seem defining and usually gets a passing reference in the education section. And these articles are generally already in the alumni category for whichever conservatory/college this scholarship paid for. The contents are already listified
here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
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Category:Recipients of the Leopold-Kunschak-Prize
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