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If kept, this change should be made BUT I am uncertain of its merits. This appears to be a Muslim sect or movement. The main article lists 6 "prominent members" with articles, which would be enough for a category. We do not normally allow categories for Society members. On the other hand, it this is the equivalent of a Protestant denomination or a Catholic order, it might be permissible to keep it. I am a Christian and neither know nor want to know anything of the subject, but that is not relevant.
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Stories told at The Moth are told by a wide spectrum of individuals from police officers to astronauts to musicians to teachers to nurses to incarcerated individuals to students and, therefore, are not in conflict with
WP:PERFCAT.
See Fact Sheet from The Moth.
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Category:Bavarian diplomats
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Nominator's rationale: In line with similar categories - to make it clearer that this is about their origin/location. This is not intended to be a category just for diplomats of the Kingdom of Bavaria. There arent enough articles about them to justify a separate category.
Rathfelder (
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22:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Query the nom says the scope is nationality (Bavarian) but other editors seem to assume that the scope is the state ( Kingdom of Bavaria). Which is it?
Laurel Lodged (
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10:29, 22 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Bavarian in the 21st century is neither a nationality nor referring to an independent state. The alt rename unambiguously makes it clear that it is referring to the former state (kingdom, electorate, duchy), in line with sibling categories by former country. Note that Bavaria even as an electorate / duchy in the Holy Roman Empire was independent "enough" to have their own diplomats, although we do not have articles about that period in this category yet.
Marcocapelle (
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12:03, 22 May 2020 (UTC)reply
We do not need to categorize diplomats who represented Germany by the region they are "from". I guess this plays little role in their diplomatic work.
Place Clichy (
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15:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename but to
Category:Diplomats of Bavaria, which should have a headnote making it clear that it is for diplomats of the kingdom (previously electorate) of Bavaria, not diplomats of the post-1918 united Germany, who happen to be form Bavaria. There should be cognate cases for other German states.
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Category:Illustrators of work by G. A. Henty
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I don't understand what you mean by an established pattern. G. A. Henty was the giant of late Victorian Boys' Adventure Fiction. Who probably sold about 3.5 million volumes when book were a lot more expensive in relative terms, and when the reading population was a lot smaller. The reason for the category is it is a good starting point for finding illustrators of boy adventure fiction. The main source is Peter Newbolt's "G.A. Henty, 1832-1902 : a bibliographical study of his British editions, with short accounts of his publishers, illustrators and designers, and notes on production methods used for his books." On Internet Archive as a borrowable book at
https://archive.org/details/trent_0116404196192/page/611/mode/1up/search/illustrators
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Category:Peasant leader
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Delete -- This seems to be a random collection of Indian politicians, some from explicitly Marxist or peasant parties of movements, but I see no clear inclusion criterion.
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Category:U.S. Presidents and slavery
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Category:Bill Haslam
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains the article about the topic of the category and 4 elections in which he participated.
User:Namiba13:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)reply
It was not right for a different reason. We should not categorize people by serial events that are a natural consequence of their occupation, to avoid category clutter. Serial events are performances for performers, elections for politicians. But the reverse is not true: we may categorize events by the main players in that event, as happened in this case.
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06:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. This would create a terrible precedent of giving every candidate an eponymous category for every election they've won or participated in, from city school board to national presidential elections. The elections themselves are not defined by who took part in them (for the sake of Wikipedia categorization) and most politicians don't have enough closely related subsidiary articles to warrant eponymous categories.
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20:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete -- I agree this is a bad precedent. It is really
Category:Elections won by Bill Haslam. Would the two Knoxville elections have been notable, if he had not gone on to be Governor? Normally, local elections and the position of mayor are NN, except the largest cities. If so, the two mayoral elections ought to be deleted, leaving a main article and two campaigns to be state governor.
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Nominator's rationale: I can't find any evidence that a club of this name ever competed in Scottish football, at senior or junior level. We have no article on a team of this name. The category contains only one player,
John McDougall (footballer, born 1900), with the sole evidence for their existence being the single source in his article, a simple list of clubs played for, without context, in his ENFA entry. I have searched Google and the British Newspaper Archive and can find no trace of a club of this name. A possibility is that it's a garbled reference to some sort of schools or juvenile team, perhaps connected with
Hamilton Academical F.C.. Whatever, there doesn't seem to have been a notable club of this name to justify a category.
Jellyman (
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16:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete -- The one person categorised is listed has having played once for a Scottish League club: that hardly sounds notable to me. My guess is that Hamilton Intermediates was either an amateur or a youth team; as such it would be NN.
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Category:Harvard University staff
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Category:West Delhi Places
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Category:FOSS4G
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Category:Books by genre
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Oppose, for example children's books (genre) are not about any specific topic. Some subcategories might be individually moved from one category to the other though.
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05:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose - they are different - neither is a subcat of the other. 'Books about XXX' is not a genre. Some book subcats are in both; no surprise here.
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Category:Schools in Kaduna state
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Category:IIFA Utsavam winners
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The
IIFA Utsavam is a an award founded in 2016 for the south Indian film industry. While the award certainly aspires to be prominent it's not there yet and the only article in this category doesn't even mention this award so it doesn't seem defining. The contents are already listified
here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
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*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to
WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome
here. -RD
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Category:Carl Nielsen Prize winners
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We don't have an article on the
Carl Nielsen Prize but, based on the contents, it must be a Danish composing award named after
Carl Nielsen. Most of the articles don't mention the award at all but some mention it in passing or in the lede so, while I can't say for sure whether this award is defining, there's nothing in English Wikipedia that even hints that it might be. I listed the current category contents
right here so no work is lost if anyone wants to create a main article. -
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*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to
WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome
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