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Upmerge to eliminate an unnecessary layer. The main article (which I have added to the subcategory) states that English casualties were light, so that we probably do not need an equivalent English category. On the other hand another parent is needed related to the Scottish wars of Indpendence of the early 14th century.
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Category:Genocide prevention
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Nominator's rationale: I moved the
main article because "Prevention of genocide" is both more transparent what it means, and gets more than twice as many google hits. The category should be moved to correspond with it. buidhe22:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose can someone explain why "Genocide prevention" isn't well understood, why the proposed formulation is better, and why it would be better to break consistency to adopt the new formulation.
Carlossuarez46 (
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23:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)reply
BrownHairedGirl, I am not sure that those searches are reliable because in my exprience Google books will return topically related books that do not match the exact searched phrase.
According to ngrams, "prevention of genocide" is considerably more common in books. buidhe01:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I don't like ngrams, because the methodology is opaque. Anyway, this belongs at RM, if you want to open one. But before you do so, I suggest collecting data from other sources such as Gscholar and JSTOR. --
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Category:Raja Rao Award
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The
Raja Rao Award was a short lived Indian literary award from 2000 to 2009. The contents of this category are unusual: those who judged submissions, those who received the award, those who oversaw the organization, and the person the award was named after (
Raja Rao) are all commingled. With a couple exceptions, the award is mentioned in passing in the articles across those groups and doesn't seem defining to any of them. The winners are already listified
here in the main article while
Template:Raja Rao Award includes all these articles for any reader interested in the topic. -
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*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to
WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome
here. -RD
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Procedural relisting, since the category was not tagged until 5/8.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac1519:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020
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The category for "Railway stations by country by opening year" has only a few countries with significant numbers of new stations opening regularly (Canada, China, Russia and the United States), so should not be expanded by countries (or "subnational divisions") with only a few articles for inclusion. Likewise some categories by year or month e.g. disasters by year by country or events by month by country do not include all countries. The following categories for China include events from Hong Kong:
Category:February 2018 events in China,
Category:January 2020 events in China and
Category:2018 disasters in China. Note that "establishments in Hong Kong by year" are included as a subcategory of "establishments in China by year" back to
1998 - apart from 2020.
We do not have categories for subnational divisions like railway stations in California opened in 2019 or railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020. And the categories by country should be restricted to those countries with a number of new railway stations in all or most years e.g at present only China, Canada, Russia and the United States.
Hugo999 (
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21:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose – We create separate categories for Hong Kong to overcome complications related to its status as a semi-autonomous territory and history as a British overseas territory. This is a long-established convention for the ~16,000 Hong Kong-related articles on Wikipedia. The comparison to California is not apt because Hong Kong is not a Chinese province. Chinese laws do not apply in Hong Kong. The bulk of Hong Kong's railway stations opened before Hong Kong became part of China in 1997. Should those fall under the category for UK or China? Neither – Hong Kong categories should remain, as is the norm for all other category trees. Thank you. Citobun (
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00:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. It would have been a different situation when there would have been subcategories for every single country, because in those cases we usually still distinguish Hong Kong as well. But in this case country subcategories are highly exceptional and then a separate Hong Kong subcategory is really not needed.
Marcocapelle (
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07:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: What (highly)"exceptional" circumstances for Hong Kong (and presumably Macau)? Hong Kong is regarded as part of China, not a separate country; as is shown by say "2018 in Hong Kong" being a subcategory of "2018 in China". The "Railway stations opened in China by year" categories (like some other categories given above by year or month) do not have subcategories by subnational subdivision and there are only subcategories by country for a few countries (here Canada, China, Russia and the United States).
Hugo999 (
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11:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)reply
It is not unlikely there are more of these Chinese categories with Hong Kong articles. The aim of having the Hong Kong tree exactly replicating the tree of China is unmaintainable.
Marcocapelle (
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18:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment:Comment: Railway stations in other countries by year will (or should be) in the categories of Railway stations opened in ABCD and ABCD establishments in Fooland; I do not see the justification for extra categories e.g. by century. Hong Kong stations post-1997 will be in the category of ABCD establishmenmts in Hong Kong. For Australia
Wyndham Vale railway station is in the categories “2015 establishments in Australia” and “Railway stations opened in 2015” For Canadian stations e.g.
West Harbour GO Station it is in the categories “Railway stations in Canada opened in 2015” and “2015 establishments in Ontario” i.e. the establishment category is at the state (America) or province (Canada) level. Another country which could justify “Railway stations by year of opening” categories is Japan. PS congratulations to BHG for creating the category
Category: Railway stations in Great Britain by year of opening (about 200 years!) and for creating a subcategory for every possible year!
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Category:Statistical theorems
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Category:Iraqi Central League
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Category:Iraqi Central League seasons
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Wrong Venue/Oppose in CFD The right place to start here is to open a formal
WP:RM on the talk page of
Iraqi Central League. (If there is consensus to rename the main article then, by all means, speedy rename any related categories through CFD.)
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Category:Literary work on the Third World War III
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The result of the discussion was:rename. Consensus favors the original nom rather than the alt nom, despite the difference with the rest of the cat tree. bibliomaniac1504:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: "Third World War III" is nonsensical. Otherwise, not sure whether the category should exist, but if it should, it should be renamed to be more in keeping with other novel categories.
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FWIW, I find those category names less clear, and would probably rename them as well to be in the "Novels about X" format.
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Category:Perching birds
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Merge It may be that passeriformes are all birds that perch, but it is certainly not the case that all birds that perch are passeriformes, so the category fails to be defining.
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Category:Potter artists
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Nominator's rationale: I just created this category as I noticed a number of people listed under
Category:Art pottery, but on second thought, aren't all potters artists? At least
Category:Potters is under
Category:Artists by type, so this seems redundant. Although historically there might have been potter craftsman whose works would not be considered artistic, so maybe there is potential for keeping this and refining the categorization of potters in general? Thoughts? Keep this, or delete it (and depopulate people from Category:Art pottery?). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Delete - not at all needed. We have too many categories in this area already, with whole trees for
Category:Potters,
Category:Ceramists and others. There would be definitional problems, as you suggest.
Art pottery is not at all the same as
Ceramic art, so it was wrong to remove people from the former category ANYWAY. Please restore any changes I miss. Incidentally, it is not clear that
William Ault was actually a hands-on potter himself, though he may have been, still less an artist. He is probably best seen as a businessman who understood the importance of artistic design at his end of the pottery business. He is not at all the same sort of "potter" as say
Auguste Delaherche or the
Martin Brothers. Potter also means pottery owner, and many notable potters since ancient times may not have done the job themselves.
Johnbod (
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11:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)reply
It only ever contained
William Ault , who, as described above, was not certainly either. If it was decided to keep it, it could be populated, with several sub-cats. But it essentially duplicates existing cats, & is not a term in common use.
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Category:Radio stations in insular areas of the United States
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If you want to fix one inconsistency (with siblings) by introducing an inconsistency (with parent) then the onus is on you to argue for the change. DexDor(talk)16:47, 12 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Swedish Curling Hall of Fame inductees
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My web translator calls this award "Big Curlers" but
Swedish Curling Hall of Fame is probably a reasonable translation. There's not much info available about this award. The
official web site in Swedish doesn't give much information but, in practice, these seem to be awarded within a year or two of becoming a Swedish curling champ. We already have
Category:Swedish curling champions which closely overlaps. A number of these articles mention the award in the intro but they're consistently from the same enthusiastic editor who created this category. The contents of the category are already listified
here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
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Category:National Lacrosse Hall of Fame inductees
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The
National Lacrosse Hall of Fame is given to college level Lacrosse players in the United States usually many years after graduation. These recipients fall into three groupings:
1 No Article: A large majority of the winners likely don't have the notability to ever have a Wikipedia article.
2 Happened to Play in College: Many of the people who do have articles have them for reasons unrelated to Lacrosse, like General
Robert E. Kelley or football player
Jim Brown.
3 Actually Defined by Lacrosse but Not This Award: Some of the recipients are known for college Lacrosse like coach
Gene Corrigan and player
Stan Cockerton. Even with this group, the award tends to get a passing mention and doesn't seem defining.
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