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Keep perhaps rename. The current contents, apart from the disam
Festival of Lights are rightly all secular festivals/shows etc featuring lights. This seems a decent grouping - the common attribute is lots of fancy lights, whether rising to
light art or not. A note declaring the scope is probably enough, also making it plain the various religious connotations are not covered.
Category:Light art festivals would not really fit many. The religious
Nationwide Festival of Light does not fit and should be removed.
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Comment. As currently structured, this is a category by shared name, since it uses the capitalised form of proper name. If kept it should be renamed to a descriptive title along the lines of the suggestions above, and purged. --
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. Although it is a consensus that "by nationality" is not appropriate, it's not clear whether this is because "by country" is more appropriate, or because the idea of a song having a "nationality" is not sound. The trend appears to be moving towards the latter, but that will probably need to be another discussion. bibliomaniac1500:12, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose for now. @
1234qwer1234qwer4: In general, I think that "by country" would be a better way to organise these categories. But all the subcats are "by nationality": e.g. we have
Category:Irish folk songs, not
Category:Folk songs from Ireland. So long as the subcats are by nationality, the container cats should reflect that.
Changing this wouldn't just be a matter of renaming. For any countries "Foo" with a large diaspora, "Fooish music" is produced on a large scale outside of "Foo". For example, there is a lot of Irish music in England. --
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I think that demonstrates the difficulty with the whole concept of "songs by country/nationality". There's Irish folk music; isn't it still Irish folk music when sung by an Australian or an American? One may also quibble whether every song by every folk singer who is/was Irish ought to roll up to Irish folk music - but that's a problem with all the daughter categories.
Carlossuarez46 (
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21:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename, by nationality is at least as inaccurate as by country. Perhaps a midway solution could be "by country culture" but we do not have any other container categories by that parameter.
Marcocapelle (
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18:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment nationality is wrong; but are we still ascribing songs by "country" - it should be "artist nationality" as formulated in the first category nominated. Most of the daughter categories contain "Joe Blow songs" where Joe Blow is of the nationality of the daughter category. We've had this discussion before about whether songs have nationalities or countries. I don't remember how it came out but I contend that they do not. If they do; they change nationalities whenever covered by someone "foreign"?
Carlossuarez46 (
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21:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
An attempt to rename the parent
Category:Songs by country to "by artist nationality", similar to what was done with the scheme for
Category:Albums by artist nationality, was made
10 years ago. While most of the categories are attributed based on the nationality of the singer or band who recorded the songs, there were too many other possibilities as to what would make a song "American" or "Irish" or "Japanese" (e.g. national anthems, traditional folk songs). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me22:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
BrownHairedGirl: The use of "Irish" in regards to folk music indicates not only origin but stylistic attributes, hence the citations to overtly "Irish" isn't nationality specific; the
List of Irish ballads has Irish ballads composed other than in Ireland. Musicologists can probably identify "Irish folk music" regardless of who wrote it, where it was composed, or who sang it. Is that likely true with respect to Irish hip-hop, Canadian soft rock? Nothing indicates that a song has a nationality in the first place - which we have previously debated - does it depend on the composer (what if there's more than one, with different nationalities), where it was composed (a song "from" somewhere akin to how we categorize people), who recorded it (so covers can make a Fooish song into a non-Fooish song?) or where it debuted or something else? A folk song may remain "Irish" as you suppose on covers, but if a Mongolian composer/performer changes the song, does the resultant work cease to be "Irish" or become "Mongolian"? For example:
Category:Fleetwood Mac songs are categorized in both American and British categories; songs which have been covered (notably) by other singers roll up to those singers' nationalities;
America (My Country, 'Tis of Thee) sung to the tune of
God Save the Queen is categorized under American songs even though the tune was composed elsewhere (perhaps the UK, perhaps not
God Save the Queen) or
Deutschlandlied music written by an Austrian isn't categorized as an Austrian song.
Carlossuarez46 (
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23:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete all except Folk songs which should be renamed as proposed. These are really silly categories, because you are mixing up arrangement (i.e. the way the song is played) and nationality/country. Take the song
When Irish Eyes Are Smiling under the proposed schemes you might need
Category:Irish folk songs written by American Jewish songwriters (who never visited Ireland). Then if I record and make famous(and somebody probably has!) a Rhythm & Blues version of it, where do we put it then? The underlying problem is songs do not have a nationality, a passport or a place of residence, and the genre of the song can change by artist, by performance and by the ear of the listener. Then to make matters worse you want to conjoin these two. Not necessary, misleading and shows a great disregard for great music. NB Also already covered by artist by nationality. --
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08:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Procedural comment: deleting container categories while the subcategories are kept (because they have not been nominated) does not make sense.
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Delete per
WP:SMALLCAT. 6 articles is an improvement, but might still be excessive for such a small phenomenon. I don't oppose re-creating this category to re-organize if more articles come up. Feel free to correct me if anyone feels like 6 is a good number.
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per
WP:SMALLCAT thins is a ludicrous nomination; if you look on the left hand side of the page there is a Languages section, check the home language - >45 pages at present; also, on the left side under Tools, What links here you can find maybe a dozen or so English pages which currently should be added to the category; also, read
WP:SMALLCAT re future potential,
Maculosae tegmine lyncis (
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Maculosae tegmine lyncis: if and when those other articles are created, then we can reconsider. But right now, we have a two-article category which serves no purpose. If you believe that the other existing articles can be added to the category, please add them. I checked
Matsumae, Hokkaido and saw no listed sub-topics to add, and no redlinks to indicate future potential. --
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Or, more comprehensive still, to search, type a nonsense string such as askgjas;gj into the Search box in the top right corner of the page, then press enter, then type the municipality name into the Special page>search box that results, then run that search and review for relevant already existing pages,
Maculosae tegmine lyncis (
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08:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The town and the two remote islands are apparently part of the same municipality, but the category is about the town (part of the "Populated places" tree) and the town does not coincide with the municipality.
Marcocapelle (
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17:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
"What is a city but the people?" (Shakespeare/Sophocles/Thucydides) Japanese municipalities, whether "city", "town", or "village", are an administrative layer - were one to fall from the moon and land, for instance, in
Usa, one would find oneself subject alike to municipal, prefectural, and national government and administration; one passes immediately from one municipality to the next (as the road signs attest), even where the "urban centre", such that it is, is dozens of kilometres away,
Maculosae tegmine lyncis (
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19:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
So, you're proposing a separate category for the two islands that are part of the town? The islands are part of the town, so they belong in the category about the town. All this splitting hairs is getting ridiculous. ···
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You seem to be thinking that the category can't cover both the populated place and the municipality at the same time. These categories do exactly that. Additionally, there's no reason the islands can't be in all three categories (or two, if they are inhabited). They are part of the town itself, whether they have people living on them or not. ···
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Delete as 7 articles is still a fairly
WP:SMALLCAT. Not opposed to re-creating this category as more articles are created. It might help to have some sense of a good target number.
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20:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Shooterwalker: The accepted number of articles to avoid SMALLCAT seems to be 5, based on reading through many, many of these discussions. Additionally, many of these cats are very highly populated on jawiki, which indicates a "realistic potential for growth", one of the SMALLCAT reasons given fornot deleting. ···
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Respectfully paging
Marcocapelle as someone who I trust on this, as someone who is experienced at patrolling these category discussions. I'm not sure if he's seen the category growth, and I would like to see if that changes anything for him. (Always remember
WP:NOTREQUIRED if these discussions start to feel like they're going in circles.)
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Oppose. The parent category is
Category:Mimaropa, and the head article is
Mimaropa. So this category is correctly named.
@
Howard the Duck, feel free to open a
WP:RM discussion to propose renaming the head article. If that is closed as rename, then
Category:Mimaropa and all its subcats can be speedily renamed per
WP:C2D. But unless and until the head article is renamed by consensus, the current category titles are correct. --
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Yes, I'd agree on that. You can close this and I'll CSD another article I created named under the "Southwestern Tagalog Region" to "Mimaropa".
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Merge to
Category:Monism. This may not be the ideal solution, but it prevents the eponymous article (largely on a book by Leibnitz) being orphaned. Leibnitz and Newton were independently the devisers of calculus, but that seems quite separate.
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