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Nominator's rationale: After all, it is not an official Nobel prize (Official name: Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel). We should keep it separate from Nobel prizes.
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Category:Star Wars Force-sensitive characters
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Nominator's rationale: These are three newly-created and completely in-universe categories that add no encyclopedic value. I believe one or more of these was created and deleted in the past, among other similar Star Wars character categories. —
TAnthonyTalk18:17, 22 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Note: Only the first one was tagged until today. The Sith category was previously discussed with no consensus at
CFD 2008 September 2; it appears that it was later emptied by
EEMIV(
[1]) and deleted as empty in April 2009. As
Category:Star Wars Jedi characters was recently created to sub-cat its members from the parent
Category:Jedi, where they were previously held (e.g.
[2]), and likewise the Sith category,
[3] those two categories must not be simply deleted but (if not kept) must be merged back. –
FayenaticLondon21:58, 27 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Oy, my ears are burning. I don't remember exactly, but I suspect I was 1) merge-and-redirecting a bunch of character article stubs and 2) consequently nearly emptying a bunch of very specific cats (e.g. "Left-handed Sith characters with a beaded mustachio"). This was not only for characters but also vehicles, planets, etc. I think overall cat cleanup was also a deliberate objective -- cats embedded within each other a few layers down, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria. This was during a general hux lull in Star Wars-ness -- not a ton of notable new content creation, and before the Disney resurgence and explosive growth of new content. So insofar as this particular CfD is concerned, I don't have an opinion. Nudge me if you'd like me to start clicking around the cats to try to come up with a somewhat informed opinion. --
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Categories by geography
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Nominator's rationale: Following the deletion of similarly-named categories created by
Lmatt (
talk·contribs) (whose work was considered disruptive and who was blocked as a result), see
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_6#Categories_by_parameter, this older one remains. "Geographical categorization" here means location, language or ethnicity/culture, i.e. various aspects of
human geography. It may be that it is useful to gather these together, in which case choose option A, because we don't need both these layers, and the shorter name is clearer. Otherwise, choose option B.
It is interesting to note that several other-language Wikipedias have implemented a similar structure (intentionally, not copied just by bots).
Note: if Option A is chosen, the first category page should be moved over the target page, since it is older.
(added at 21:56) If Option B is chosen, the sub-cats should be dismantled by returning the contents to where they were before.
support B I made
Category:Categories by geographical categorization because I was inspired by the german wikipedia which has, as Fayenatic already hinted at, a very similar category branch. Instead of
Category:Categories by spatial categorization, which I've been preferring to the actual name for a few years but never made an attempt to rename it, I decided for "geography" in the name, because I thought it's more fitting for categorization by ethnicity, language, nationality, culture, etc. But no, it should have been "by spatial categorization" from the start, really. My intent with »____ by geographical categorization« is to have a single category, which can hold all these just mentioned geographical location based subcategories. So they do not all have to clog up a topic category, e.g. music, which already has many other subcategories.
Why do I not like your suggestion of
Category:Categories by geography? You are right that it is shorter but I disagree that it is clearer. Geography is a discipline and not a property of something. This is similar to another trend, where the word "geometry" is used when the structure of form of a body is meant. Geometry is the science of the planes and solid figures, so a subdiscipline of mathematics, not the property that a body has. Another commonly wrongly applied fashionably expression is the "architecture" of something, e.g. a molecule. Architecture is the art of construction, not a molecule property.
CN1 (
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23:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)reply
As I read the previous discussion, linked above, you were the only person who found "Categories by [foo] categorisation" clear. Perhaps "Categories by geographical parameter" would be an improvement. However , you have not explained (i) why it is useful to have language and culture/ethnicity categorised with location, or (ii) how it is useful to distinguish "geographical location" from simply "location". –
FayenaticLondon21:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
"Categories by geographical parameter" is acceptable. Alternative: "Categories by spatial parameter". to your (i) even if our world is globalized, language / culture / ethnicity still are ways of categorizing by space i.e. location. As to your (ii) the two terms you present are synonymous, which is exactly why I wrote that language / culture / nationality / ethniticy are »[geographical] location based classifications« = »location based classifications«. However I changed my vote to support your proposal B now.
CN1 (
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23:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
In common English usage geography, like history, can be a property of something. I have a history, Wikipedia has a history. The two ways in which the word can be used are not contradictory, and Option A represents perfectly proper English usage.
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Category:Lists of historical period drama films
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As the original nominator I would have expected the proposal that starts the discussion to have been my own, not an amended one from another editor. Suggest yours as an alternative in discussion, by all means, but IMO the existence of historical documentary films renders yours flawed from the outset (unless you intended to propose a merge of a batch of categories, which is really a whole separate discussion).
MapReader (
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08:48, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Object I am troubled by this proposal. There is a distinction to be drawn between historical fiction and dramatisations of history that are attempting to portray fact. However I do not have a solution to offer.
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12:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Support the original CFDS proposal You can have ‘historical drama’ and ‘period drama’, which mean pretty much the same thing (perhaps, ancient history and recent contemporary history films are less likely to be described as ‘period’ films, but that’s a nuance) but ‘historical period drama’ is a tautology. The pre-internet gold standard for encyclopaedias, Britannica, has ‘historical drama films’ as its subcategory, and its prevalence as usage overwhelmingly more common than ‘historical period drama’ can be checked quickly by Google - most hits for the latter derive from WP. Indeed within WP itself ‘historical drama film’ is already the most common usage within articles, with instances of the tautological phrase mostly contained to foreign language films, particularly Indian ones, for some reason (I have been editing these out, reflecting the change to the main article title, which has proved uncontroversial. This should have been a straightforward C2D and the only objection was on grounds of recency, not substance). So my proposal is simply to remove the redundant word ‘period’.
MapReader (
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08:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
p.s. if other editors wish to discuss merging subcategories such as drama, comedy, documentary into one wider ‘historical films’ category, can we do so separately and later? Otherwise discussion of what was a straightforward C2D proposal is going to turn into a mess. Thank you!
MapReader (
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09:07, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
If there would be no consensus about the current proposal then the CFDS proposal is a second best alternative, better than keeping as is. But again, the films in this category are not necessarily drama films as suggested by the current title or the title proposed at CFDS.
Marcocapelle (
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12:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
The fact that some films might not be correctly categorised it not in itself an argument pertinent to the category titles. I still think you had a cheek overriding my proposal with your own, and would be grateful if we could establish first whether the CFDS proposal has any opposition.
MapReader (
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20:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
I will most happily confirm that the CFDS proposal so far does not have any opposition compared to the current category name. However, there is no need to have two consecutive discussions about the same category, because it is the end result that counts.
Marcocapelle (
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20:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
So we are now stuck in the Wiki mire thanks to the interventions of two editors neither of whom appear to have any substantive objection to what was always a straightforward C2D. How do we escape and get this simple change done?
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Mass media
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Category:IUCN Category Ia
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Nominator's rationale:delete, not a defining characteristic. It is mentioned in the infobox of every article, but more specific information on when, why and how these protected areas got onto the IUCN list is consistently lacking. Besides on the IUCN website I cannot find a list of these nature reserves (but perhaps I am not searching well enough).
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16:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Even well-developed articles such as
Baker Island make no mention of this in the article text and all the articles I checked are in much better categories. If not deleted it should be renamed to something more meaningful and articles placed in it properly (by a category tag).DexDor(talk)17:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Males
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The reason for deletion would be that there isn't really a coherent topic here (i.e. it's not grouping articles about similar topics). The subcats I've looked at are in more suitable parent categories. DexDor(talk)17:17, 9 February 2020 (UTC)reply
(as nom) Male twins, male mammals and animal male reproductive systems (the three subcategories) do not have a lot in common indeed, so deletion is certainly an option. However, the articles should be moved to parent
Category:Sex in that case.
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Category:Biology of gender
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I don't see any articles in the category that are specifically about "biology of gender identity". The only article I know of that discusses this idea is
gender identity and it isn't in the category.
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22:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Again, I see a lot of practical sense in what Place Clichy has written above. The proposal for merged parent ought to mop up a lot of ambiguous cases.
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Category:Capital T
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Category:Apple Inc. mobile phones
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Awards of the Holy See
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Oppose I think
WP:SMALLCAT is not an argument in this case, since there are many articles, just that they are in a subcategory, so this is part of the tree. This is a valid and useful tree structure.
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16:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Support -- They are both knighthoods, so that chivalry is appropriate. I think Debresser has misunderstood the potential outcome, which will be that the article on each order goes into the target category and the membership content becomes a subcategory. That would be wholly appropriate. We are not talking about the subcategories, which should probably be retained, though
WP:OC#AWARD discourages award categories.
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Category:Dungeons & Dragons aberrations
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Nominator's rationale: The main article has been deleted, so the category has no real utility in organizing the articles. As with most of the articles in the category structure, the majority are merge/redirect/deletion targets, so the number will be cut drastically in the coming weeks as well.
TTN (
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13:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep as a large and valid category. As I stated above, I see no problem with these Dungeons & Dragons categories. I do think they should have been grouped in one nomination.
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Category:Dungeons & Dragons giants
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Category:Forgotten Realms creatures
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Nominator's rationale: This has no real organizational purpose because every article I've looked at is within the other categories in "Dungeons & Dragons creatures." I don't think the general reader needs to know the campaign settings in which the creatures are utilized. This is from when D&D had about five times the current number of existing articles. If there's an article I missed that's not already covered elsewhere, then it should be upmerged to "Dungeons & Dragons creatures."
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16:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Overly specific category that does not help the casual reader in any way. As Forgotten Realms is a setting of D&D, the base category is sufficient.ZXCVBNM (
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Category:Czech-speaking territorial units in Croatia
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Unrelated comment: it seems there is inconsistencies in the top categories. Some use "X history", while others use "History of x". --
Gonnym (
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15:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Weak keep -- The topical overviews have the merit of enabling a short list of head topic articles to be picked out from the mass of detail, some of which may need to be purged from the target categories into various of their subcategories. I have a problem with the scope of Art/arts, which is mixing graphic arts (e.g. painting) with performing arts (e.g. theatre, film, etc). Arguably a head category on the arts might include everything that is not a science, but that is not necessarily helpful, except as a very high level category.
Peterkingiron (
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17:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Support — what is or isn't an overview is too specific and subjective. However, for some of the categories on the list I propose other targets of merging, which are similar to the US categories merge in the original proposal:
Support alt merge by Andrybak over the original merge proposal, since it is more specific. Note that this is my second vote, as I keep supporting the original nomination over the current situation.
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Category:Sexual Minorities in Mahabharata
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Rename -- I looked at all four articles and had difficulty working out what its basis is. I think it is that certain characters of the Mahabharata, where either of ambiguous or alternating gender. This is somewhat different from LGBT or Transgender. One of the persons is described as
androgyne, which has some similarities to
intersex or
non-binary, but this is mythology and does not fit with real life categories. Perhaps
Category:Androgynes in Mahabharata. I think we should allow an exception to the normal minimum of 5 articles in this case.
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