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Nominator's rationale: This category erroneously has the title of a contemporary children's team, rather than the historical adult team Hill of Beath F.C.. Any players eligible for inclusion would thus be non-notable.
Mutt Lunker (
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23:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - Hearts of Beath J.F.C. is not a children's side - but it's easy to see why that impression came across. Amateur teams in Scotland either belong to the Scottish League or the
Scottish Junior Football Association, the latter of which are called junior teams even though adults play in them. Having said that, Hearts of Beath FC and Hearts of Beath JFC are different adult sides (as, to add to the confusion, is Hearts of Beath AFC), and it seems unlikely there'd be any HoBJFC players with articles, so support, assuming all the articles are for the earlier side.
Grutness...wha?04:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Not quite. I can't find a reference to what the "J" in the modern "J.F.C." side stands for but I believe it may possibly be "juvenile". I am also well aware of the distinction between adult senior and junior sides in Scotland and that the latter not only does not imply the involvement of children but actively implies an adult team. I'd be surprised to learn of any Scottish children's side which styles themselves "juniors". HoB JFC is definitely not an adult junior side of this definition; I have long since checked and can find no reference to them in the Scottish Junior Football Association leagues. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would be interested to know. Junior teams rarely, if ever, style themselves "J.F.C." to my knowledge; it is generally plain "F.C". J.F.C.'s Facebook page etc. make it clear they are solely a team for boys and girls (they are a "Community kids Football Club" for "kids born between 2002-2014"). The team is thus not notable, let alone the players. The AFC team is an adult amateur team and not a "junior" one either, as far as a similar search can tell, so also non-notable along with its playesrs.
The ultimate conclusion is nonetheless the same. Only the players of the historical F.C. side can form a notable category. This does not.
Mutt Lunker (
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09:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I stand corrected regarding what the "J" stands for - because of the apparent indication that "JFC" might indicate that this modern team were an adult junior side, in the conventional Scottish sense, on creating the article for the historic
Hearts of Beath last June I searched rigorously to find definitive evidence of what the "J" stood for as there was only specific reference to them being a kids team and not a word about them in the conventional-use-of-the-term SJFA leagues or listings. I do remember that there was scant information to go on then on the modern team's social media sites. I believe that the Facebook page did not then use the term "Juniors" in the banner on the site and the Twitter one still does not. Nonetheless, there is only an indication that they are a kids team and not, as one might reasonably conclude initially, an adult junior team. Either way the category is a dud.
Mutt Lunker (
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09:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Per above in copious detail, I am absolutely fully, 100 per cent across this and in no way confused on the matter. Again, (again), this team is not a junior team.
Hearts of Beath F.C. was senior, then junior at different points in their history; this modern J.F.C. "Community kids Football Club" is not the same entity. It's empty because no kid would fulfil the notability criteria.
Mutt Lunker (
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14:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I don't know for a fact but, even when a senior side, I can't imagine anyone was not part-time. That said, and I'm happy to be shown otherwise, per
WP:FOOTY Hearts of Beath F.C. are notable and the former players listed are notable; there is nothing that proscribes a category for those notable players at that notable club on the grounds they didn't attain notability at that club. Is there such a proscription?
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16:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:American autobiographers of Chinese descent
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Category:American women memoirists
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Oppose : The really has to be women memoirists by different nationalities and which it'll be difficult to look for a memorists. Creating women memoirsits by nationality is the best. --Happypillsjr✉21:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Leeds
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Nominator's rationale: It is not very clear what the distinction between the two categories is supposed to be. People from Leeds contains all the occupational and school subcategories.
Category:People from the City of Leeds contains most of the geographical subcategories. Some of these suburbs were not part of the city before 1974, but I think that is best dealt with by ensuring they are all included in
Category:People from the West Riding of Yorkshire (before 1974). There are two articles,
Leeds and
City of Leeds but they both deal with the same geographical area. I'm agnostic as to which category to keep, but I think having both is just a source of confusion.
Rathfelder (
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15:36, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
The articles for Leeds and City of Leeds use identical maps. I dont think there is any geographical distinction since 1974. Manchester works differently. Large numbers of those biographies assert the subject came from/was born in Manchester when they were actually from Wilmslow, Bolton etc. I didnt find the same phenomenon among the Leeds biographies.
Rathfelder (
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18:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose The situations are quite different. Greater Manchester contains several districts other then the City of Manchester, so that Rathfelder's attitude was right. In the case of Leeds it is the other way around: the Leeds (town) is only the largest settlement in a district that contains other villages and towns. In this case the former metro-county was West Yorkshire, which was itself only part of the West Riding of Yorkshire.
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16:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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I am not sure I am doing this correctly but this is important to say, very important. Please forgive mistakes. Why should the list be kept? We who have no problem reading and who obviously have our sight have what? 6 million articles at our finger tips? Do not those who are blind or can't read or whatever the case may be need a reference for all of the articles available to them? — Preceding
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Category:Indigenous Catholic saints of the Americans
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Just because it is not a denominational does not mean it is not notable, especially when there are numerous books about the subject (see
12) and nearly every reference in the articles talks about both religion and ethnicity.
Inter&anthro (
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23:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
It's not supposed to be a nationality. The category is obviously supposed to list Catholic saints who are indigenous to the Americas. --
AussieLegend (
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06:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
So the
WP:POINTY comment above is just baloney. I disagree with your conjecture. This is a race/ethnicity category; people aren't "indigenous" in any sense other than being born somewhere. Some races and ethnicities are considered indigenous to various places. However, what relevance does that connote? I notice
Our Lady of Guadalupe is categorized in there. While much revered in Mexico and among the Mexican diaspora, the Roman Catholic church teaches that it was
Mary, Mother of God who appeared and last I checked she wasn't born in the Americas - nor was her race or ethnicity in any way related to the pre-Columbian peoples of the Americas. So whatever this is intending to categorize (I perceive some racial or ethnic intent), it isn't doing a good job of it; a further reason to delete.
Carlossuarez46 (
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00:26, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OCEGRS (unrelated intersection with ethnicity) and besides the category is an odd mix of officially recognized saints with folk religion. If kept, certainly rename.
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02:13, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:1949 Pacific hurricane season
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Nominator's rationale: This is the first date that has a separate category for a single year (season), presumably because there are two pages in it. Before that date are decade categories, and the preceding one was just renamed from 1940–1948 to 1940s. It would be neater to merge this small category into 1940s. –
FayenaticLondon08:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
The proceeding one probably should be moved back but that's for another discussion. The reason there is a separate category for 1949 is because there is a parent article for this
season (and all succeeding seasons) while before 1949, there is only enough information to warrant "seasonal" pages on a decade basis.
YEPacificHurricane18:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Support, until and including the 1970s there is not enough content to warrant yearly categories. Not every article needs to have an eponymous category.
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Category:WikiProject Hawaii watchlists
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Category:George Albert Smith (film pioneer)
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Nominator's rationale: When I first found this category, it was mixing screenshots of his films with articles about his films, which categories are not supposed to do -- but there was also already a separate, properly named
Category:Films directed by George Albert Smith, which contained some of his other films besides the ones that were filed here, so the articles that were here were moved to the other category accordingly. That said, image categories still are not crosslinked with article categories within articlespace, but are filed inside our tree for image categories -- and while we don't usually have subcategories for screenshots by particular filmmaker within the
Category:Screenshots tree, the sheer number of images here suggests a valid reason to treat him as an exception to the rule (these shots, further, are all in the public domain, as they all come from films that are 110 years old or more, so deleting them on copyright grounds wouldn't be productive) -- but the category should still have a name which makes clearer that it's meant for screenshots rather than articles.
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Category:Pinball Hall of Fame: The Gottlieb Collection
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Category:Newfoundland and Labrador Hockey Hall of Fame
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Wikipedia does not have an article on the
Newfoundland and Labrador Hockey Hall of Fame which appears to be an internet only affair with a simple web site
located here. The three biography articles in this category all just mention this award in passing with other honors so it doesn't seem defining. I listed the current category contents
here to save time if anyone wants to use that as a starting point to write a main article. -
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