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Category:Kunlun Red Star WIH

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 16:56, 14 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This is for a Women's Ice Hockey team in Shenzhen. It currently contains a sub-category for players, and no other content. It was recently renamed from Category:Kunlun Red Star, with the rationale " C2D women's team was referred to as Kunlun Red Star WIH. User:Joeykai" but the current name of the team is Shenzhen KRS Vanke Rays. If not merged/deleted, then rename accordingly. – Fayenatic London 21:53, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
The two should not be merged as one category is for the women's team and one is for the men's team. The main reason the women's category should be renamed is that it is currently at Category:Kunlun Red Star, while the article Kunlun Red Star redirects to the men's team. Joeykai ( talk) 22:23, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Joeykai: It's not currently there; your speedy renaming nomination was processed.
I suggested merging because the main article for the women's team Shenzhen KRS Vanke Rays is already in category:HC Kunlun Red Star.
  1. Why is it worth keeping a category that has no content?
  2. If the category is not deleted/merged, why not rename it to the current name Shenzhen KRS Vanke Rays? – Fayenatic London 22:44, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
I would have no problem with the category being renamed to Shenzhen KRS Vanke Rays. Joeykai ( talk) 01:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Italian Armenians

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: In line with similar Rathfelder ( talk) 21:51, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Merge -- This is an aberrant category. Most similar ones were converted to the target format several years ago. Care is needed in this case as many Armenians (members of the ethnic group) have no direct connection with the present republic of Armenia. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:48, 3 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional homosexuals

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:44, 2 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, unusual categorization since we normally use "LGBT" as the umbrella term of gay males and lesbians. It is also a recreation of a previously deleted category. Note that the two subcategories are already in the tree of Category:Fictional LGBT characters so merging is not necessary. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:33, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Can you link to the previous CFD or explain why (and when) the category was previously deleted? DexDor (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
It was deleted as empty in 2006, referring to the talk page (now undeleted) which stated:
This category previously had only two members, both characters on Queer as Folk (U.S.). I confirmed that both were included in List of gay and bisexual people in film, radio, and TV fiction, removed them from this category, and added them to Category:Television drama characters.
This was followed by a rationale for not using CFD, and signed by User:Matchups.
As there was no CFD, the recreation is not a rationale for deletion. – Fayenatic London 22:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Category:Fictional characters is a subcategory of Category:People. Dimadick ( talk) 06:18, 27 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Hows about Category:Fictional LGBT characters then ...oh hold on, that exists. In which case we can delete the "Fictional homosexuals" category. Sionk ( talk) 11:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Rectors of Northern Cyprus

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Parent is Category:Turkish Cypriot people. Not sufficient rectors to justify their own category. Rathfelder ( talk) 21:56, 4 May 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support - the single article refers to someone who was once the rector of a college in N Cyprus. Oculi ( talk) 10:39, 5 May 2019 (UTC) reply
  • REname -- Rector appears here to mean the head of the university. In England, he would be Vice-Chancellor; elsewhere Chancellor or President. I suggest the neutral Category:Heads of universities in Northern Cyprus. It should be possible to populate it. The one person was replaced in 2010 and then became a Rector in Istambul. His successor may not have an article yet, but probably should and there appear to be several more universities in the same unrecognised polity. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:50, 5 May 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Rename in some manner. Scope and size issues aside, "Rector of Northern Cyprus" sounds like an Anglican priest (not particularly sensible in Northern Cyprus) or a government position. Use "university rectors..." if the category remains. Nyttend ( talk) 01:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Works by John Peel

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. It may be helpful to first discuss Category:John Peel albums in a fresh nomination and later, dependent on the outcome of that discussion, revisit Category:Works by John Peel once more. ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:26, 3 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: With the only content being an albums subcategory, convention has just been to place it in the eponymous category (when an eponymous category is warranted). This just adds an unnecessary level of navigation. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 21:44, 9 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Military musicians

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 09:11, 22 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These are all in the same class as Category:Musicians by band, and can be named in a similar manner. This would allow the more specific categories to be in the Musicians by band container category as well.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 12:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:40, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Hospital administrators

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: nomination withdrawn. MER-C 18:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article and updating the fundamental concept. Hospitals in this century are not generally managed as self contained entities. If this proposal is accepted we may then want to consider whether any of the subcategories should stay as they are, or whether they should all follow suit. Rathfelder ( talk) 08:40, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose - Hospital administrators are a subset of Healthcare administrators. Oviously they're related, but they're not one and the same. As the Intro to the main article says, Healthcare administration includes several different fields: public health systems; health care systems; and hospitals and hospital networks.
This proposal becomes even more problematic when you look at the parent, Category:Healthcare managers, because there's no real difference between "managers" and "administrators". To make matters worse, there is a subcat called Category:Medical administrators, which probably should be merged into Category:Healthcare managers. And we really should settle on one term for these categories, either "managers" or "administrators". I prefer the latter. Anomalous+0 ( talk) 09:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose because Category:Healthcare administrators would include people who do not run hopsitals. By all measn create the target as a parent for hospital and other medical administrators. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:35, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Quite a lot of the existing articles are not about hospital managers, or are about people who managed both hospitals and larger systems, were directors of nursing (a distinct discipline) or were ministers of health. A category for people who just managed hospitals would not have many articles. Merging managers, administrators and medical administrators into one overarching category is a good idea if we can agree suitable words, but these things work differently in different contexts. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:City of Cardiff Council elections

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:35, 2 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The local authority in Cardiff is not known commonly or officially as the City of Cardiff Council. Unfortunately this doesn't meet the speedy rename criteria because I've recently moved back the main article to Cardiff Council, because of a previous rename (against consensus). In addition to the benefits of matching the current title of the main article, the category could potentially hold the election articles for the previous manifestations of the local authority. Sionk ( talk) 07:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Films adapted into video games

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I'll put this on the manual page to allow this to be listified. MER-C 08:53, 17 August 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of these films. DonIago ( talk) 03:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Note: the fact that "Works adapted for other media" exists does not supersede WP:CATDEF and the video game adaptations are not a defining characteristic of the film. Again a list article is sufficient. MarnetteD| Talk 15:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
OK, keep or at least listify. – Fayenatic London 22:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Films adapted into novels

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The result of the discussion was: delete. A list of the current contents is available at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 25 (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 01:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of these films. Many films, good and bad, are adapted into novels. DonIago ( talk) 03:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
Note: the fact that "Works adapted for other media" exists does not supersede WP:CATDEF and the novel adaptations are not a defining characteristic of the film. Again a list article is sufficient. Gottaa strike this as a list article of these would be WP:INDISCRIMINATE in the extreme. MarnetteD| Talk 15:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Male motion capture actors

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The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 10:07, 16 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't see how being a motion capture actor constitutes a defining category, especially as motion capture use seems likely to only become more prevalent over time. DonIago ( talk) 03:12, 25 May 2019 (UTC) reply
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