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Category:People from the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to
Category:People from Bangsamoro –C2D/C2C Newly inaugurated region replaced defunct region
RioHondo (
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18:04, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to
Category:Populated places in Bangsamoro
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Category:Cities in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to
Category:Cities in Bangsamoro
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Category:Municipalities of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to
Category:Municipalities of Bangsamoro
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Category:Provincial governors in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to
Category:Provincial governors in Bangsamoro
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Category:Politics of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to
Category:Politics of Bangsamoro
- The defunct region still has it's own article (
Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao) and own categorys (
Category:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao so oppose these moves.
Armbrust
The Homunculus
18:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
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- I can create new subcats for the new region it was replaced with, sure. But the above permcats would be emptied as no region can co-exist with another in the same territorial jurisdiction. The defunct article and few subcategories are kept for historical purpose and only those that pertain to its defunct government structure and political history. But the above People, Populated places, Politics, they continue under the new region.--
RioHondo (
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20:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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- Oppose. The dead ARMM existed. Someone who was alive during the ARMM days and is now dead can claim not to be from the Bangsamoro Region, and categorizing someone who is from not "that place" is outright false. The geographical extend of the ARMM and Bangsamoro (and indeed the ARMM during its existence) wasn't coterminous, so it wasn't a simple renaming. This like saying Pocahontas is from the United States.
Howard the Duck (
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00:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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- If ever this is sent to the usual CFD, I request the removal of the ARMM categories be reverted until there's consensus for renaming or deletion.
Howard the Duck (
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00:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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- @
Howard the Duck Yup, we can continue discussing this in CFD. But a person born between 1989 and 2018 who is from that region will be a hard find. Remember this only existed for less than 20 years, and so those people categorized as from being the ARMM are actually inacurrate, as i said you have to be born from August 1989 and Feb 26 2019 to be accurately categorized as such (which luckily we don't have, as the people from region category is just a container category with links to people by individual component province as we do most other regional people categories). All of the above permcats were container categories, no article really fell under any of them as we do articles per province here really. We don't do people by historical entities here either, cos if we did, many of those BLPs should have been categorized as from being
Category:People from Moro Province or
Category:People from the Department of Mindanao and Sulu. :)--
RioHondo (
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06:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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- What are you talking about? People born between 1989 and 2018 in the ARMM number in the millions. People who satisfy the notability criteria reduces this, but there are still many people. This isn't reduced to people who were born in that time; you'd also include people who were living from 1989 to 2003. Now whether is this is a container or you'd actually categorize people in this category is another question, but that shouldn't be a factor on whether this should be renamed or not.
- "We don't do people by historical entities", but we can. It'll be interesting who were people who were living at the time
Ambos Camarines was a thing.
Howard the Duck (
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11:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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- Let's see...Do those young ISIL-linked combatants have WP articles? Of course, there are millions but we know regional BLPs are scarce around here, and especially from that troubled southern region. It will just be another unnecesarry layer in our already underpopulated people categories which we do by current provincial setup. Sure, we get one from Ambos Camarines, one for Sultanate of Maguindanao, a couple from Moro Province, and maybe nil for Lepanto-Bontoc and Kedatuan of Dapitan. These cats would just merged and/or deleted given the scarcity. I am also merely following what is already there, and your proposal will be just as bizarre as having a
Category:People from Manila (province) and a
Category:People from Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes people from Valenzuela at the time when Valenzuela was still not part of Metro Manila LOL. Again, Bangsamoro is basically still ARMM except that it added Cotabato City and a few other barangays like Metro Manila did with Valenzuela. And can you imagine having a
Category:Populated places in Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes Valenzuela? That's messed up IMHO.--
RioHondo (
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14:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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- See
WP:SMALLCAT. Millions of people lived at the old ARMM, not just ISIL combatants. Even those rebels should be plentiful. The political dynasts are plentiful. Who knows we might even see sportspeople and celebrities. ISIL combatants are an infinitesimal percentage of the people who lived in the ARMM. We can have a category for Representatives from Lanao del Sur, categorized in both ARMM and BARMM. You could do the same for Ambos Camarines, Lepanto-Bontoc, Kedatuan of Dapitan, Maynila (province), which are all dissolved entities. We can even do a category of
Kingdom of Maynila officeholders. Dunno about Bulacan as it's still existing. Several provinces annexed and lost tows in history, dunno how that compares to already dissolved entities such as the ARMM, as long categorization is concerned, which is what not I'm saying. Dunno how that bizarrely got into the conversation.
- What is now Myanmar was once named Burma, and the majority of WP categories having to do with Burma were redirected to those encompassing Myanmar. While "Burma" is still used colloquially in some cases, the current, official name of the country is Republic of the Union of Myanmar. It seems to me that "people from ARRM" can just as easily be sorted as "people from [any province within the former ARMM]", thus avoiding any need for a category like "people from Bangsomoro". Just saying.
Her Pegship (
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01:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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- Actually, Bangsamoro being the successor region is the one that has to have all these subcats whereas the ARMM should be treated from a historical perspective from this point. If the plebiscite didn't involve a somewhat different government structure and a little enlargement, this could have easily just been renamed or moved to the current name. But we are keeping the ARMM as a distinct historical entity but all the rest that does not pertain to its former political structure and history should fall under the new region. See this:
https://armm.gov.ph--
RioHondo (
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11:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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