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Nominator's rationale: We already have trees subdividing LGBT-related television series by decade and by genre and by nationality -- but I find myself remarkably unconvinced that we need to further subcategorize them by intersecting decade with genre and/or nationality this way. These intersections are too narrow to be navigationally useful, and are "ghettoizing" these shows out of their most contextually relevant peer groupings. We do not need, for instance, to use the category system to completely segregate Will & Grace from Vicious and Queer as Folk US from Queer as Folk UK (or, for that matter, W&G from QAFUS and Vicious from QAFUK) — the appropriate by-country and by-decade and by-genre categories already exist as it is, so we don't need to completely isolate these shows from each other by filtering everything down to a series of triple intersections that prevent them from being found together even in the category criterion they share, when separate categories already exist for the things that are different about them.
Bearcat (
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21:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment As both the American and British television series by decade categories have several subcategories by genre I think it would be useful to retain at least the main LGBT categories eg
Category:1990s American LGBT-related television series and
Category:1990s British LGBT-related television series, if not the subcategories by genre as well as nationality. But they could be made "Non-Diffusing" subcategories so that the shows would appear both in the main and LGBT series so avoiding "Ghettoisation." This is the approach of some women’s categories by century and occupation eg
Category:20th-century American women writers, so women authors appear in both the "writers" category (or another general category) and the "womens writers" subcategory. PS: I suppose that adding the main categories (if adopted) would have to be done manually rather than by a bot?
Hugo999 (
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12:32, 24 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep - making them non-diffusing would solve the issue of them being seen to be ghettoising. Some of the cats have only a small number of entries because they are new and haven't been populated yet.
Jim Michael (
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13:10, 5 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom - I really don't think we have enough articles to warrant such diversification. We recently had a CfD for ‹The
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considered for merging.›Category:Gay-related television programs and the consensus of the discussion was that the category needed to be purged as it was more inclusionist than defining and this seems to be a big problem with the whole tree. If we were to purge these cats we'd find we simply do not need most of them. Fewer cats would provide more easier navigation. --
AussieLegend (
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15:08, 5 March 2018 (UTC)reply
The problem there was that some of the entries were insufficiently gay-related to be included. Some entries were removed on that basis. Descriptions can be put on the cats to make the inclusion criteria clear.
Jim Michael (
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09:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)reply
The current description on Gay-related television programs is quite clear, and in any case the issue is similar on all LGBT film & television cats. If there's a disagreement about whether or not to include a particular show, that can be discussed on the talk page of the article concerned.
Jim Michael (
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10:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Categories should be defining, not simply inclusionist, as was discussed at the CfD. The criteria for that category is inclusionist, not defining and needs amendment to fix this. --
AussieLegend (
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14:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)reply
More correctly it says consistently and prominently include one or more
gay male characters, so the mere inclusion of a gay character, even if gay themes aren't addressed, provides for inclusion in the category. In fact, this is how the category was originally populated. The category creator grabbed a list of programs that included gay characters and added every one to the cat. --
AussieLegend (
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15:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Many shows were added which only had very minor gay characters and/or very brief gay-related storylines and situations. Then the opposite was done in that shows which are very gay-related were removed, including
The New Normal (in which the two main characters are a gay couple adopting a baby) and
Gimme Gimme Gimme (in which one of the two main characters is a camp, openly gay man). Every episode of each of those two shows is strongly gay-related. In any case, that's a disagreement about the threshhold of inclusion, when the issue here is how many cats to have and how to (or not to) diffuse them.
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08:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Levitic surnames
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Keep, with rename per Marcocapelle. Categories are not always automatically deleted just because lists also exist. Per
WP:CLN, there are certainly some circumstances where a list is warranted but a category is not or vice versa, because the content satisfies the rules for one form of organization but not for the other — but there are also plenty of situations where a category and a list should coexist, if the content fulfills both sets of rules. So if somebody had a more substantive reason why a category shouldn't exist, I'd be willing to hear and consider it in good faith — but "there's a list" is not in and of itself a reason why a category shouldn't exist.
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19:21, 26 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Game Maker games
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Millennia in Upper Volta
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The result of the discussion was:merge all. There is clear agreement here to delete millennia categories for both Upper Volta and Burkina Faso, but that isn't possible 'cos the Burkina Faso categories have not been tagged, so I am closing as merge. Pinging the participants, who may want to nominate the Burkina Faso categories for deletion: @
Fayenatic london,
Laurel Lodged,
Marcocapelle, and
Peterkingiron. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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13:09, 26 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Support reluctantly. Would prefer delete. For a country that has existed for less than a century, "by century " classification is more than adequate. "By millennium" classifications are just a case of "keeping up with the Jones".
Laurel Lodged (
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14:18, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Support per nom as a minimum, and also support delete per Laurel Lodged as an extension. Two millennia parenting two centuries are not useful either.
Marcocapelle (
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07:22, 22 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete them all, and salt -- Whether the old name or the current one is used the country has only existed in a recognisable form (even as a French colony for some 200 years, so that a millennium category is wholly unnecessary. Support, if kept -- The practice is that categories for renamed countries are parented to the category for their present name.
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16:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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Millennia in Hamburg
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Support, if any further diffusion of the history of Hamburg is needed beyond the 19th, 20th and 21st century that we currently have, then a further diffusion by earlier centuries would make more sense than a catch-all category for the whole 2nd millennium.
Marcocapelle (
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22:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
I believe these were created before the standard template was amended to allow millennia to be an optional parameter. As such I have no objection to deletion of the nominated categories.
Tim! (
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17:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)reply
DElete the millennium categories are a waste of space: I do not recall when Hamburg was founded, but it is unlikely to have even 20 century categories, which makes millennia unnecessary.
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16:42, 23 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Coalition of Refugee Associations in the Republic of Serbia politicians
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Comment, while currently the convention is to have every politician categorized by political party (if possible),
User:Zoupan addresses the question if we should keep doing this for very small or short-lived parties with hardly any notable politicians. That is a fair question.
Marcocapelle (
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08:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete In many countries people switch and jump parties a lot. Some parties at times essentially exist to advance one candidate, and then fall apart. Just because someone, somewhere organizes a party, does not make it default something that people are worth categorizing by.
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Category:Vojvodina's Party politicians
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Delete In many countries people switch and jump parties a lot. Some parties at times essentially exist to advance one candidate, and then fall apart. Just because someone, somewhere organizes a party, does not make it default something that people are worth categorizing by.
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17:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. Firstly, for the sake of completion, and secondly because it is an active party which has won a seat in the past, so "very unlikely to have more articles" is questionable.
Grutness...wha?01:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Together for Šumadija politicians
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Delete In many countries people switch and jump parties a lot. Some parties at times essentially exist to advance one candidate, and then fall apart. Just because someone, somewhere organizes a party, does not make it default something that people are worth categorizing by.
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Category:Roma Party politicians
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Delete In many countries people switch and jump parties a lot. Some parties at times essentially exist to advance one candidate, and then fall apart. Just because someone, somewhere organizes a party, does not make it default something that people are worth categorizing by.
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17:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. Firstly, for the sake of completion, and secondly because it is an active party which has won a seat in the past, so "very unlikely to have more articles" is questionable.
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Category:Roma Union of Serbia politicians
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Obviously, the biography should stay at Serbian politicians, so yes, merger. I don't see the purpose of having 1-article-categories.--
Zoupan04:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete In many countries people switch and jump parties a lot. Some parties at times essentially exist to advance one candidate, and then fall apart. Just because someone, somewhere organizes a party, does not make it default something that people are worth categorizing by.
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17:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. Firstly, for the sake of completion, and secondly because it is an active party which has won a seat in the past, so "very unlikely to have more articles" is questionable - especially since there is a new leader for the party (currently redlinked) who has the chance of also entering parliament.
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Category:Procurement practices
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Nominator's rationale:upmerge, it is not clear how this category distinguishes itself from its parent category, the large amount of articles in the parent category also have a very practical character.
Marcocapelle (
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21:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep separate. There is no advantage to merging into a category with 30 other specific subcategories, while the phrase "procurement practices" is a well-known business term about various procedures used in formal purchasing of materials. -
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