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Category:Artsakhian building and structure stubs
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Support -- Too small, but does it need upmerging to a buildings and structures stub-cat as well? Artsakh is a state existing in a sort of limbo, being de facto dependent on Armenia but de jure part of Azerbaijan. It is dubious whether it is in Europe or Asia.
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16:25, 4 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Whaling jobs
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The result of the discussion was:merge. As noted in the discussion, there is not a sufficient amount of content here to justify the category at this moment, and there is no loss of categorization within the job articles.
ℯxplicit01:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC)reply
OPPOSE, mildly. The items are grammatically discongruent but thematically sound:
Flensing,
Boatsteerer, and
Whaling-foreman are all occupations specific to the whaling industry. (I agree that
Cooper (profession) is not specific to the whaling industry, but it was key to the voyages.) More importantly (in terms of numbers) are the whalers themselves. Confusingly, that term is legitimately used for people (both in the boats and behind the desks) as well as the ships. I've added
Category:Whalers (the people) to
Category:Whaling jobs. We don't yet have an article on the job of being a
Whaler (occupation) but we should. So I think there's enough material to justify
Category:Whaling jobs.
Carbon Caryatid (
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09:41, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Flensing seems to be a task rather than an occupation. The article refers twice to
flensers but it's not clear whether that term refers to crew members assigned to do that task when it needed doing, or to a specialist occupation. –
FayenaticLondon09:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Frankish warriors
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Nominator's rationale:rename and purge, remove all Frankish emperors, kings and vassals from this category. Obviously emperors and kings were involved in wars, but that is not what the category is meant for.
Marcocapelle (
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07:57, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There are plenty of
warriors in this category who were neither kings nor generals, for example
Charietto,
Saint Bobo,
Roland and others. If there are kings in this category who were not themselves involved in warrior combat, then feel free to purge them from the category, but renaming the category into Frankish generals is not helpful.
Krakkos (
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13:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Purging is not a solution: in medieval times, if there was a war, of course the monarch was directly involved, so we can 't remove monarchs from a warrior category if existing. However that does not define the monarch as a warrior. The solution is to limit the scope of the category, to have it better in line with its top
Category:Military personnel.
Marcocapelle (
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18:26, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
That is pretty incomparable. Harold was elected as a king after a long career as a 'warrior'. In contrast, the Frankish kings were raised as princes at a court, much like high medieval to modern monarchs.
Marcocapelle (
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06:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
That is exactly the issue: most kings were involved in wars, but there is no point in putting most kings in the tree of military personnel. It is like putting recent presidents of the USA in that tree because they led the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Marcocapelle (
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16:10, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- The scope of the present category is unsatisfactory. In this period almost every king was a warlord, hence a warrior. I would like to see this category purged of all monarchs and see what we have left. This might be done by making Frankish kings a subcategory.
Peterkingiron (
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16:18, 4 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedia articles with style issues
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