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Category:LGBT writers by language
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Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to parents as necessary. Trivial triple intersection category which also isn't necessary to diffuse the intersecting categories because they all have more intuitive and well-developed systems of diffusion. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
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Comment: I'm not personally wedded to the need for these categories, but when I nominated the Dutch one for deletion in 2014 (see
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_4#Category:Dutch-language_LGBT_writers), consensus was that there was a credible and legitimately
WP:DEFINING reason for it to be kept — and there's no legitimate argument that it's valid for Dutch-language writers but not for writers in any other language, which is why I later added the French one. I would have no objection if these were all to go, but it is necessary to at least review and consider the arguments that were made in 2014 as to why the Dutch one did need to exist.
Bearcat (
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20:40, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Snow close – the entry seems malformed (the proposer placed more CfD templates on categories than the single one listed above). Nothing has changed since 2014 (tx Bearcat for the link). --
Francis Schonken (
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21:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC) (updated 16:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC), see below)reply
I meant the
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_4#Category:Dutch-language_LGBT_writers discussion: still seems valid, nothing seems to have changed on the content of that discussion: the books and articles mentioned in that discussion are not suddenly "unprinted", or LGBT-literature-by-language prizes snatched from the authors who beheld them. I don't think the current American president has much influence on dozens of examples of Dutch-language LGBT literature, over an extended period of time (seems a bit out of reach for him to meddle with), nor smartphones for that matter (though they make it easier to find these examples of literature).
Another thing that is still valid from the prior discussion is that this should not be about how things are easiest for Wikipedia categories, but about how real life is, grouping some thing in one language, that wouldn't be grouped in another, according to how reliable sources group these topics (and not according to how Wikipedians would like that these reliable sources would have grouped them). --
Francis Schonken (
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21:58, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
There are three categories listed in the discussion headers, not just one, and even if there were just one it would require very little effort to add the other two anyway — so that's not in and of itself a reason to speedy-close the discussion. Do feel free to discuss reasons why you feel this should be kept, but there's no valid reason to shut the discussion down earlier than a normal CFD run.
Bearcat (
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15:48, 20 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes, Koavf had said they are all "tagged" now (by which I suppose they meant "added to the above list of categories under consideration"), thus I struck the first of my two "snow close" reasons. My other "snow close" rationale, "Nothing [much] has changed since [the] 2014 [discussion about the same, a discussion which is linked above]" is still valid, as I replied after Koavf's reply after my "snow close" statement. So, unless someone can give a reason to hold a repeat cycle on the previous discussion, or in some other way can make it seem at least possible that consensus may have changed, I'd still support a snow close (otherwise my !vote should be interpreted as "Keep", with the same or similar argumentation as when we discussed this in 2014, as summarized above). You can agree or disagree with me for !voting "snow close" on the basis of this rationale, but that's my !vote, until further notice. --
Francis Schonken (
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16:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC)reply
The fact that a discussion was previously conducted in the past is never, in and of itself, a valid reason to automatically shut down a new one —
consensus can change, as you admit, but the only way to find out if consensus has changed or not is to test whether consensus has changed or not. And furthermore, the consensus in the first discussion was far from overwhelming, consisting of 4 keeps to 3 deletes if you include my nomination statement. So we do have to let this discussion run its natural course, because people may have new things to add one way or the other.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Yeah, sure, go ahead. Thus far only an "in-Wikipedia-categorisation" rationale has been given for the proposed deletion, to which I replied, above, by summarizing a part of the previous discussion. I also summarized above, also in reply to Koavf, some other points of the previous discussion, the content of which was a reply to objections not even raised this time. So, I think I've done my job thus far, and still think a snow close to be the better option, compared to Wikipedia editors spending time and effort here which could be spent much more productively elsewhere. --
Francis Schonken (
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16:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Agree that not much has changed since. For writers, language is a very important characteristic, probably even before nationality. French people may read books from writers in the French-speaking parts of Switzerland and Belgium, but won't read books in Breton language from writers with French nationality or German-language books by people from the Alsace.
Marcocapelle (
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05:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedia Version 0.5
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Nominator's rationale:Version 0.5 is a 10-year-old test release of a few thousand articles which were mirrored on January 1, 2007. At this point, these template-populated categories are historical, unneeded (see
discussion), and anachronistic—categorizing Version 0.5 articles based on present-day article quality and importance ratings. A full list of articles included in Version 0.5 is available
here, so no information will be lost due to deletion. (Category creator not notified: bot) --
Black Falcon(
talk)17:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete all per nom, pending an explanation from someone as to why retaining these categories would benefit the project, which there does not appear to be as the nom points out.
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01:37, 19 September 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ice hockey teams in Tampa, Florida
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Category:Ice hockey teams in Washington, D.C.
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Category:Ice hockey teams in Hingham, Massachusetts
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Category:Ice hockey teams in Anaheim, California
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Category:Uncategorized from August 2017
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Category:Wikipedia contribution leaderboards
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Nominator's rationale: To better align with the other subcategories of
Category:Lists of Wikipedians and avoid using the term "leaderboard", which makes it seem like contributing to Wikipedia is a high-score contest. While some of the pages in this category are actually called leaderboards, the majority are not. Better suggestions are welcome. (@
Fixuture:: pinging category creator) --
Black Falcon(
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Category:People who are confused
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Nominator's rationale: Appears to be a user category, but misnamed as it gves the impression this is a mainspace category. This is an inappropriate type of user category, per
WP:USERCAT. Does not improve the encyclopedia in any way, shape, or form to categorize users who are "confused"
VegaDark (
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00:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
I'm afraid I don't understand... why should we be bound to the narrow set of circumstances which led to this category being created? We should discuss the category on its own merits (or lack thereof), and this category was never discussed previously. For comparison, if I add an inappropriate redlink (i.e. a link to a page that should not exist) anywhere on Wikipedia and someone created a page just to turn the link blue, the page would be promptly deleted and the link removed. Regarding consensus, how does this category comport with anything stated in
the applicable guideline, which was
recently discussed with no consensus to change it? --
Black Falcon(
talk)16:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
The overarching discussion on changing user category rules ended in no consensus, defaulting to our existing rules of following
WP:USERCAT. This plainly violates that under your proposed rename. It does not help Wikipedia to categorize users who are confused.
VegaDark (
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18:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
No, I'm suggesting we had an in depth discussion as to why we should or should not change an existing guideline that currently prohibits this type of category (for good reasons I might add). That discussion resulted in no consensus, defaulting to keeping the guideline as-is. We should now continue to follow the guideline and delete these categories until such time that consensus is formed to change the guideline. I would imagine you would take issue with me if I nominated this for deletion if the consensus were to change the guideline, just like I am taking issue with you for disregarding the guideline by your !vote.
VegaDark (
talk)
22:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
(
ec) No, we should do what we always do when there is no consensus to change a guideline—we continue to apply it. Incidentally, the statement that "a pointless blue-linked category is harmless whereas a red-linked category is a minus" is a
false dilemma that ignores the third option of having no category (neither blue and pointless nor red and sore) by simply removing the red-link. --
Black Falcon(
talk)22:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete, and/or rename if there's no consensus to delete. User categories are meant to facilitate collaboration, which identifying oneself as "confused" does not — in fact, practically by definition it inhibits collaboration, because being confused and collaborating are pretty contradictory states of being.
Bearcat (
talk)
17:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename if Kept Should not be in the namespace. (I'll defer to others as to whether it should exist at all.) 02:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC) — Preceding
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