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Nominator's rationale:upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, the further potential of Swedish syncretists in particular is very limited since currently we only have two articles worldwide in the syncretists tree.
Marcocapelle (
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upmerge -- only one member.
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Category:Video game referees
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Category:Fictional eSports players
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Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization as
small category unlikely to have more than a few members for the foreseeable future. czar 20:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete -- unlikely to be useful.
K.e.coffman (
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Category:Architects by activity
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The result of the discussion was:relisted, see
here.
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Category:Forcible religious conversion
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The result of the discussion was:Rename, retain redirect.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 14:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:rename, improved wording. This is a new proposal after a brief discussion at CFDS (see collapsed below).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Ok let's change "Forcible" into "Forced" for now, while keeping religious.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 22:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)reply
That however, IMO, wouldn't fit any of the speedy criteria (so it needs a full discussion).
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 14:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Support Brings it closer to the main article name. I will also support @
Armbrust:'s RM proposal for the main article.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 12:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- The term used in India (where it is illegal) is "forced conversion". This is a charge frequently made where Christians are seeking converts and it is alleged they have been bribed to convert. It could also be applied to what happened to Jews and Moors who remained in Spain and Portugal.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:27, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Supportcategory redirect -- both terms are synonymous, but "forced conversion" is more common.
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Courts in the United Kingdom
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The result of the discussion was:Rename all per amended nomination. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 22:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Support this. Clears up a rather messy situation.
Rathfelder (
talk) 17:32, 28 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose the
Courthouse bits. In the UK we do not use the term courthouse - it seems to be a legitimate UK/US variation.
Twiceuponatime (
talk) 12:33, 29 October 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Twiceuponatime:: "courthouse" seems to be OK for Northern Ireland, see
Armagh Courthouse,
Crumlin Road Courthouse &
Lisburn Courthouse. For England, Wales & Scotland I see your point, but it would be confusing to keep "Courts in" categories as well as (under or alongside) "Courts of". To avoid ambiguity, how about "Court buildings in England" etc? –
FayenaticLondon 16:15, 30 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- I am not against a restructure of this tree, but I do not think this is the right one. England and Wales have a single judicial system and should not be split. "Courthouse" is not usual in England and Wales, and I suspect not in Scotland. The term court is used both for the judicial meeting and the building. The matter is further complicated by some court being held in buildings or rooms used for other purposes. I attended a trial in Hereford County Court, where the venue was the council chamber of Herefordshire County Council.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:38, 30 October 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron: can you please propose a better solution? The proposed new name for the court system category in England & Wales would match the article
Courts in England and Wales. I have not proposed any more splitting between England and Wales categories than exists already, which is essentially for court buildings; and I have now amended the nomination (except NI) to use "court buildings" instead of courthouses. Local courts with no building of their own such as
Hereford County Court do not appear to have articles. As for the ambiguous use of "court" in England, Wales and Scotland, what would you suggest instead – to merge the categories for courts as organisations and court buildings, as the ambiguous name "courts"? For other types of premises where the same issue arises, e.g. hospitals, we already have e.g.
Category:Hospital buildings, so this seems a good precedent for keeping the categories separate, and using the artificially clear name "xxx buildings". –
FayenaticLondon 22:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)reply
A merger of English and Welsh categories can be discussed in a separate nomination, if needed.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 10:57, 4 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support We definitely need to be rid of "Courts in Foo". I've no problem with "courthouse" - it's the most common term in Ireland. Could live with "Court buildings" though.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 21:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Support, this will better distinct court institutions from court buildings.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:00, 4 November 2016 (UTC)reply
various: see at end -- Having looked at several articles, then content is a mixture of descriptions of the buildings and of the proceedings that take place within in them. We are I think never going to get articles that make the distinction between the courts and their buildings. Historically the provision of buildings was in some cases the responsibility of county authorities and in others of the government (via the Lord Chancellor). This dichotomy means that the current system (which all comes under the Justice Secretary) is fuzzy. When courts are rebuilt magistrates, county and crown courts may all be housed in a single building: it depends where one starts. Merge England and Wales. Keep court systems for general articles of types of court (and central courts in London; and assize circuits when we had them). Keep the rest, allowing them to remain fuzzy as to whether they are about the court buildings or the institutions they house and their proceedings (such as lists of convictions from notable trials).
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:04, 6 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Opinions are decidedly mixed here, and there isn't much policy basis to weight the arguments based on. More participation would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~
Rob13Talk 07:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Twiceuponatime: Your opinion on the updated nomination would be especially helpful. ~
Rob13Talk 07:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
My opposition was only to the use of courthouse (in England and Wales). I can support the use of court buildings, although as the comments indicate it is often unclear from the articles whether they refer to the buildings or the functions carried out within those buildings.
Twiceuponatime (
talk) 10:33, 23 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Now support having "court buildings", provided the head note makes clear that it covers proceedings undertaken in them. And using "courts" for court systems, but a headnote will need to make this clear. However we still need to merge England and Wales. The court system is not within Welsh devolution. Appeals from courts that are physically in Wales lies to the Court of Appeal, which generally sits in London and only rarely elsewhere.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:Knights 2nd class of the Order of the White Falcon
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Nominator's rationale: Non defining category for an obscure decoration of the German Empire, which is not the highest grade either.
K.e.coffman (
talk) 06:30, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose but consider merging into parent category. The award was not "obscure" in the Grand Duchy and was held by some prestigious people. --
Bermicourt (
talk) 08:28, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Upmerge for Now I've struggled with this issue too: we have hundreds of awards categories that say "X is the highest award" which we normally find defining. But that award comes in 5 levels: 1st most important, 2nd most important, etc. Are levels 2-5 really the top level award we find defining? (All that being said, the parent category does not currently break out 1st Class and includes a lot of articles don't specify what level of award was received so I think a merge is the right move for now. Ultimately though, the articles should be updated to be more specific and the parent category should be renamed/purged to just contain 1st Class.)
RevelationDirect (
talk) 10:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Nom's comment -- I would be okay with a merger.
K.e.coffman (
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Category:Recipients of Austrian military awards and decorations
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Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of
WP:C1, an empty category.
This is really just a cleanup nomination after we deleted all the subcategories
here. This category is not empty but it should be because it only contains loose biography articles for people who won any military award from Austria. (
These national categories are meant to hold subcategories for earning specific/defining awards.) If any new subcategories appear, no objection to recreating the category. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 02:24, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete -- too vague to be useful.
K.e.coffman (
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Category:Order of the State of Republic of Turkey
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Delete per prior outcomes. Non-defining.
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