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Nominator's rationale: The present wording makes it sound like this is about confirmed criminals who are suspected. I don't think the noun criminal should be used when it is only describing suspicion. This seems more neutral. I thought perhaps
Category:Criminal suspects but that has a similar problem in using the adjective 'criminal' to describe people who are merely suspects. To keep it brief
Category:Suspects of crimes could work since "people" probably isn't needed, as there are no non-person suspects.
ScratchMarshall (
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23:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Some of them were charged with different offenses, or were convicted murderers who were suspected of being involved in the Ripper crimes.
George Chapman for example meets the criteria for a serial killer, but he poisoned his victims instead of strangulating them or severing their throats. Dr.
Thomas Neill Cream was also a serial killer, but he was a poisoner. (And had the misfortune of tipping off the police that there was a murder, even in cases where no foul play was suspected. He could have gotten away with murder if he kept his mouth shut.)
Frederick Bailey Deeming was a killer, but he only killed his two wives and all of his known children. A more curious case is
Francis Tumblety, a quack doctor and arrested on charges of "gross indecency" (homosexuality). He was a known misogynist, possible abortionist, and reportedly had a collection of human body parts, but there is no evidence that he killed anyone intentionally (he was suspected of killing at least one patient due to medical malpractice).
Dimadick (
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15:47, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose - "Suspected" automatically means they aren't already a criminal. And since it doesn't say "Suspected former criminals", then it implies the person is suspected of committing a crime. I think most people are smart enough to figure this out.ZXCVBNM (
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Category:Video games about cats
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Nominator's rationale: The majority of video games listed are not in fact about cats, but just have catlike characters, mostly anthropomorphic ones who would hardly be considered normal cats, or feature multiple animals besides cats. If those were removed, the category would be virtually nonexistent, so I don't think it merits creation. ZXCVBNM (
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Category:Gender and Bible
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Oppose. "And" means that there are two separate things that are joined. This is not the case here. There is one thing (gender) that is found in another thing ( Bible). Would support an alternative of
Category:Gender in the Bible per other categories in Bible topics.
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Category:Filipino physicians
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Category:Old Testament apocrypha places
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Oppose - Background information on a topic should still be categorized because of its relationship to the topic. Allowing protestants to search for the same content under terms more familiar to them is reasonable. Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS)✐ ✉ 20:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Years and decades in Austria (up to 1700)
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The result of the discussion was:merge and delete according to the nomination. There is no consensus to also delete the 11th-17th centuries in Austria categories. --
Tavix(
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Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:SMALLCAT, mostly one article per category. This nomination only goes until 1700, because there are many more articles about Austria in the 18th century due to the political situation of the time.
Marcocapelle (
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10:17, 1 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge and Delete to Holy Roman Empire only; no need for 11-17 centuries in
Austria due to anachronism (Austrian Republic exists since 20th century). — Preceding
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Merge and Delete to Holy Roman Empire only; no need for 11-17 centuries in
Austria due to anachronism. If new categories for the Archduchy of Austria are created, am happy for them to go there, but not to Austria.
Laurel Lodged (
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11:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Then what is a country? I suppose the definition of a country should primarily mention something about the level of self-governance. And if it comes to that point, the current EU countries are less self-governing than the duchies of the Holy Roman Empire were. The Holy Roman Empire did not have overarching laws, nor political institutions, nor an army of its own, there was really nothing in common but a titular head of state.
Marcocapelle (
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22:59, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
If you want to take the view that powerful regions within the Empire were de facto states, then I'm OK with that. But you'll have to create categories for them in order of their creation (i.e the Margraviate, the Duchy and the Archduchy) and merge the articles to the proper state. And if you then want to take the view that the modern republic is also a successor state, then that's probably OK too. But let's not perpetrate an anachronism by saying that Austria has been in existence for millennia as an unchanging, unitary state.
Laurel Lodged (
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22:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Certainly I wouldn't suggest that Austria has been in existence for millennia as an unchanging, unitary state. Nor is France, where the medieval feudal kingdom was entirely different from the absolute monarchy in the 17th century or the empire under Napoleon. Nevertheless we have one category tree for the centuries of France, and I would suggest we do the same for Austria.
Marcocapelle (
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22:40, 4 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I would actually suggest exactly the opposite - to make the distinction between Kingdom of France until the revolution and the later Empire and Republic, due to significant shift of the borders and governance.
GreyShark (
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23:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- Austria is NOT an anachronism. There have been some differences in boundaries between what the Margraves, Dukes, and Archdukes successively ruled, but essentially it is the same country. Before the post WWI peace treaties, the Austro-Hungarian Empire consisted of the Kingdoms of Bohemia and Hungary and what had been the Archduchy of Austria, latterly Empire of Austria, perhaps with a few more territories. There may be a question as to which German states are large enough to be allowed a century category, but Austria, Bavaria, Brandenburg/Prussia, and Saxony are certainly big enough.
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22:06, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Articles containing Jewish Babylonian Aramaic (ca. 200-1200 CE)-language text
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Merge -- I cannot believe we need both, particularly as there appears to be no post-1200 CE category. I note that one has a do not delete even if empty tag, which implies an administrative purpose.
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21:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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I did what I did because, for whatever reason, IANA/ISO 639-2/-3 language names sometimes contain parenthetical disambiguators or qualifiers (about 300 of them). Rather than maintain 'special-case' code to individually handle those language names, I have opted to have
Module:lang use the whole name as specified by the standards when it adds categorization. Preservation of the standards-supplied name appears to be the path of least-future-maintenance. I could have had the code simply strip all parenthetical disambiguators/qualifiers (it already does this for the {{lang-??}} template display names) but that is not necessarily a good idea because of languages that share an unqualified name (aib → Ainu (China) vs ain → Ainu (Japan), for example). The whole of the language categorization structure / documentation needs review and modernization as do the {{ISO 639 name ??}} templates which are and, for a long time have been, interlocked with the {{lang}} and {{lang-??}} templates.
{{
lang}} and most of the {{lang-??}} templates do not use the {{ISO 639 name ???}} templates. At present, there are no mainspace uses of {{ISO 639 name tmr}} so there is little urgency in doing anything about the template and its documentation.
redirection for now, deletion later seems a viable path forward.
I did write: The whole of the language categorization structure / documentation needs review and modernization as do the {{ISO 639 name ??}} templates... That statement remains true. I haven't got there yet.