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Nominator's rationale: The existing
Category:Animal rights advocates correctly says that persons should be placed in the category only if it is a defining characteristic. However, editors very frequently add to this category celebrities for whom it is far from being a defining characteristic, simply because the celebrity has expressed an interest. Such celebrity biographies are by far the majority of pages in the category. I am therefore proposing to split off a separate category for celebrity endorsers, to which such pages should then be moved. I recognize that an alternative option would be to simply remove all such pages from the category, but my experience is that this would be a never-ending task. Having a more accurate category would be a more effective way to put pages in the correct category. --
Tryptofish (
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21:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose creation of "Celebrity endorsers of <cause>" categories - per
WP:NON-DEFINING,
WP:DNWAUC etc - and, in particular, the massive potential time-sink of discussions about whether or not statements by a celebrity put them in a category of this type. I support purging the existing category. DexDor(talk)19:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)reply
I see your point, and that may well be a better solution. If someone with the appropriate automated tools could do the selective purging, I'd be happy to keep watching the category and try to keep it under control. But I have to warn you that there will also be a time-sink of editors who insist on re-adding the category because they found a source that has the celebrity saying that they support animal rights in some way. There's a lot of such sourcing. One editor's "advocate" is another editor's someone-defined-by-something-else. I think that for some editors, putting well-known people into the category is a way to POV-push that the animal rights movement is big and important. --
Tryptofish (
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21:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose and purge category instead, per DexDor. Limit existing category to those for whom animal rights advocacy is a defining characteristic.
Neutralitytalk23:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC)reply
Question, because I really don't know. What is involved in purging the category? Is there a way to do it with some amount of automation, rather than manually and tediously? Because if there is, I'd be very happy with just doing that, and putting a stronger statement about defining characteristics at the top of the category page. --
Tryptofish (
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01:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category:Animal rights activists (over redirect) in order to have more clearly defining inclusion criteria, and purge celebrities and other people who weren't activists. Note that the category belongs to the activists tree already, and the category page discussion page reveals substantial discussion about the correct category name.
Marcocapelle (
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05:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)reply
How active does a celebrity have to be to qualify as an activist?
Rathfelder (
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I don't think that a rename to Activists will work. Many of the people who properly belong in the category are academics and/or theoreticians, who do not necessarily become involved in activism. And, as noted, a celebrity can be briefly involved in activism without it being a defining characteristic. --
Tryptofish (
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22:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)reply
While the latter is what actually matters, it should be a defining characteristic. So academics should be moved out together with celebrities.
Marcocapelle (
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07:08, 12 April 2017 (UTC)reply
In the past, the consensus has been against making that distinction. But if editors feel that it is useful to make that distinction now, maybe a different split would be a better solution: to
Category:Animal rights activists and
Category:Animal rights scholars. By doing away with the Advocates category, we would be making it a little more obvious to exclude persons who simply said once that they are in favor of animal rights, and to explicitly limit the new category to persons for whom a defining characteristic is a long-term activism. I'm beginning to think that this may be the best solution. --
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00:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mythological sword fighters
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Category:January 2017 events in Turkey
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Category:Harpists from New York City
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Category:Jazz musicians from Cincinnati
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Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to both parents. No need for this granular of an intersection of occupation, genre and city in Ohio. ―
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Category:German people from the Polish part of Silesia
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Delete. Merely being from the geographic region of Silesia does not necessarily equate to being of ethnic Silesian descent, and we would need even less to categorize people by which country's portion of Silesia they were born in.
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18:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge somehow. Silesian is not an ethnicity. Silesia has been a political football over the centuries: anciently Polish; then belonging to (Austrian) Bohemia; then Prussia; then given to Poland after WWII. I assume the residents of Germany's lost territory are entitled to claim German citizenship. A lot of the people in the category appear to have Polish surnames, so that their ethnicity must be questionable. At the end of WWII, a lot of Germans from lost German territories migrated to Germany, as "displaced persons". I would oppose deletion for well-populated categories such as these, as it loses data. The possibility of categories for displaced persons and their descendants might exist, but I suspect that this is not what these are about. My preference would be to make them "People from Silesia", if that is accurate.
Peterkingiron (
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21:40, 9 April 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete -- non defining (see
WP:CATDEF). Nobody would be described in the lead as "X was a German from the Polish part of Silesia". As a side note, I came across a number of discussions on cats related to Silesia. Such excessive cross-categorisation of "former German territories in the East" strikes me as somewhat POV.
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16:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Las Vegas musicians
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Delete. I'm guessing this was created out of a misguided distinction between "Musicians who are from Las Vegas" and "Musicians who are known for performing in Las Vegas but aren't originally from there", but that's not the category system's concern.
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Category:Organizations based in Jaffa
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Category:Recipients of the Silver German Cross
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Category:Recipients of the War Merit Cross, 1st class
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Category:The View (U.S. TV series) cohosts
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Delete as
WP:PERFCAT. Speedy G4 if somebody can locate confirmation of my nagging suspicion that we've deleted this exact thing before under a slightly different name.
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