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Delete - per
PamD. Note that I clearly disagree with
עוד מישהו Od Mishehu, I am not the most hardcore football (soccer) fan out there, yet I certainly am able to recognise the name of several referees, Portuguese or worldwide due to following international competitions, yet I do not know whatever else job they have (nor I care about it). Also, aren't many top level referees professionals, in exclusivity? In short, IMO, there may be a similar stub classification but this is not it -
Nabla (
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19:33, 30 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Update: I have proposed a sports official stub type over at WPSS which should cover a broader area and conform to the category and template standards.
Her Pegship (
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18:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Update:GiantSnowman has reverted my edits on all {{Referee-stub}} articles, noting that "referee" was a more specific term and thus more appropriate. Correct, but not the point. I've left a note on his/her talk page about the discussion here and the one over at WPSS and will wait until later in the day to revert
GiantSnowman's reversions. I'm sure s/he means well.
Her Pegship (
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19:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)reply
There may be sufficient articles for this template eventually (as of Wednesday it was only used on 25 articles), but the point here is that it's mis-formed and created out of process.
Her Pegship (
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20:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep - the term 'referee' is used as the standard term for match officials in association football, and also ice hockey (I believe). Why can't this remain and be a more specific sub-stub of the new/proposed 'sports-officials' stub?
GiantSnowman07:58, 2 December 2016 (UTC)reply
I responded to
GiantSnowman on their talk page; the short version is that creating the sports official biography stub type is the first step toward sorting out various types of officials and seeing which sub-types will need their own templates. Also, as mentioned above, the referee template is incorrectly formed and created out of process.
Her Pegship (
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20:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)reply
I totally respect
WP:BOLD; however, WP has some rules in place to keep editors both involved and accountable, and sometimes
WP:BOLD should be implemented in tandem with those rules. The process of proposing, creating, and deploying stub templates and categories is guided by
the Stub sorting WikiProject, and the referee stub was created and deployed without benefit of discussion with the project folks. Compromise: we could create the category for {{sports-official-bio-stub}} and then upmerge a referee template to that category. (The template would still have to be revised per naming conventions, i.e. {{referee-bio-stub}} or {{sports-referee-bio-stub}}.
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00:49, 4 December 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Priests trained at King's College London
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Nominator's rationale: I don't think it makes much sense to sub-categorise in this way. In that case you could end up with no end of sub-cats based on profession. This
List of King's College London alumni already does a pretty good job of listing alumni by profession, and I think the newly created category is superfluous.
Uhooep (
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00:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose - didn't the theological dept of King's College / KCL have a function as a theological college, with its own qualification (the AKC)? That seems to me enough to justify keeping the clergy who trained there separate.
Eustachiusz (
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11:21, 13 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Support -- WE should not categorise alumni by qualification earned. I have not looked to see if we may need also to merge to another target, e.g. Anglican clergy.
Peterkingiron (
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17:02, 16 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Category was not tagged for discussion. Now that it has been, it should remain open for a fresh seven days.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Good Ol’factory(talk)21:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose as originator: when editing a lot of priests' (and bishops') articles, I notice their university education and their ministerial training aren't always distinguished, so I've been trying to clarify that information where possible. Creating this category was to help with the distinction in KCL's case: because while some of these individuals took their first undergraduate degrees at KCL (and were trained for ministry elsewhere), there will be a number who were there training for ministry with the separate-ish KCL Theological Dept. Some will have done both. DBD21:27, 26 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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DBD: Do you mean to say that the priests in this category weren't alumni of King's College London at all because they were just undergraduates? I'm not getting this confirmed when reading the articles.
Marcocapelle (
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11:09, 4 November 2016 (UTC)reply
View unchanged -- A person my get a BA from one university, a masters from another and a doctorate from a third. He then is an alumnus of all three. We do not need to split out one particular qualification, such as ordination training.
Peterkingiron (
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17:04, 30 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Upmerge One problem ignored is that this is not a by training institution but by profesion category. We do not seperate by profession and we do not in general categorize differently based on the level of degree the person received at the institution involved. Categories are not meant to convey all the information available in an article. This is too fine a distinction.
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12:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Administration
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Keep. Some articles could usefully be moved down into e.g.
Public administration, but others span the general topic across government, business and non-profit sectors. Mind you, it might be possible to move each article currently in this category into either one or multiple sub-categories, in which case I would have no objection to making it a category disambiguation page listing most of the current sub-cats (excluding
Dioceses). –
FayenaticLondon16:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)reply
It's not possible to move every article into child categories, exactly because of the ambiguity problem. While most articles are (roughly) about management, some other articles refer to administrative processes ("paperwork"), one article is a completely different topic on its own (
Administration (probate law)) etc.
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18:26, 30 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Directors in Tulu cinema
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Category:Canadian writers of Chinese descent
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Nominator's rationale: More of Mannrheimo's excessive
overcategorization on unnecessary ethnic overspecificity. While the general state of being of broadly Asian descent is relevant in conjunction with being a Canadian writer, it is not
WP:DEFINING to intersect that with individual national backgrounds like Chinese or Japanese or Vietnamese — Canadian literature does not treat
Kim Thúy differently from
Madeleine Thien or
Kerri Sakamoto or
Shyam Selvadurai on the basis of ethnic differences, but treats them all as "Asian Canadian writers", the end. As well, many of the resulting categories violate
WP:SMALLCAT with just one or two or four entries. Merges should also watch out for whether the person is appropriately filed in "Canadian people of X descent" or not, but there's no need for subcategories which cross that tree with the writers tree.
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17:23, 25 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Big data glossary
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Nominator's rationale: This is a typical case of
WP:Overcategorization. It adds no value to the existing categories related to
Category:Big data, and is not a glossary, either. This might be more suitable for a
Wikipedia Book instead, with these categories being chapters of the book.
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Category:Czech people of Slovak-Jewish descent
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Category:News stories in Riverside County, California
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Nominator's rationale: Apparently a one-off category. If these things are history, they belong in that category, but they also include biographies of people who were in the news in Riverside County, California, at some unspecified time or another. Imagine 2000 other county categories with every person or event that was "newsy" in the county.
Carlossuarez46 (
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01:38, 25 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. "News stories in individual location" isn't a useful way to organize this type of content, especially if the article is a
WP:BLP of an individual who was at some point involved in a news story rather than an event article about a news story.
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22:44, 27 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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