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Category:Portrayals of Mormons in popular media
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Category:La Liga clubs in Europe
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Category:Plants in popular culture
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Category:School police departments of the United Kingdom
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Nominator's rationale: Both are university police forces. Universities are never referred to as schools in the UK and police forces are never referred to as police departments. Both are Americanisms. --
Necrothesp (
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13:39, 4 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support -- The main article also needs renaming to match that, as does the parent. The two UK forces are not campus police, because neither of the universities have a campus. Both consist of colleges scattered all over those cities.
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18:36, 6 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Promotional models
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Nominator's rationale:rename to disambiguate from promotional models as described in the
article which is about women instead of cars. The suggested new name is based on the article
Model car, this narrows the scope of the category a bit, so articles which no longer belong should be upmerged.
Marcocapelle (
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10:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)reply
I can go along with that, although there may be some who want to distinguish toys (to be played with) and models (accurate portrayals and often for display).
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11:02, 5 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Bubble in fiction
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Category:Supernatural fiction
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Oppose. Categories are not redundant.
Category:Supernatural does not only contain fiction; rather, it contains numerous things (witches, banshees, leprechauns, succubi, miracles, fairies, etc.) which, regardless of any POV debate about whether they really correspond to real-world things or not, inarguably exist as real-world concepts.
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04:53, 6 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Presbyterian mayors
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Delete. In a country which is predominantly Christian to begin with, which particular Christian denomination a mayor happens to belong to is not
WP:DEFINING of their mayoralty in any non-trivial way. Jews, Muslims or Buddhists might be different, but the question of whether a mayor was Presbyterian, Anglican, Roman Catholic, Baptist or United-Church, when all of those are simply denominations within the majority religious grouping in Canada, is of little substantive consequence. Watson should be readded to
Category:Canadian Presbyterians — but a subcategory linking his religion to his mayoralty, as if that intersection of traits were a defining characteristic in its own right, is not warranted.
Bearcat (
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19:31, 7 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment I don't understand why the
nom refuses to inform me of nominations of categories of which I am the creator - I find the attitude of this ADMIN rather insulting I created this category when I noticed the existence of
Category:Jewish mayors. I realize that Jewishness is sometimes used as an ethnicity as well as a religion. But shouldn't this be somehow clarified? Is it now acceptable to create categories of people by religion?
Ottawahitech (
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01:01, 9 November 2016 (UTC)please
ping mereply
You've twigged onto the correct distinction — Jewish is not just a religion, but an ethnicity — but the other consideration you've missed is that regardless of whether you treat it as a religious grouping or an ethnic one, they're a group who historically faced discrimination in many societies (including Canada), and thus had structural and social disadvantages that made it harder for a Jew to succeed in politics than it ever was for a Christian. But the existence of a category for Jewish mayors does not mean we want or need a comprehensive scheme of catting all mayors by their religious affiliations — Christian politicians are not
defined by which particular Christian denomination they happen to belong to, because there has never been any notable history of anti-Presbyterian discrimination in Canada or elsewhere that impacted whether a Presbyterian could become a mayor or not. The overwhelming majority of all mayors in Canada have been Christians of one denomination or another, so it would be entirely pointless and unmaintainable to subcat people on a religion-occupation intersection that represents the norm for that occupation. (By comparison, it would be entirely pointless for exactly the same reasons to balance "women mayors" directly against "male mayors", "Black Canadian politicians" directly against "White Canadian politicians", or "LGBT politicians" directly against "heterosexual politicians"). We categorize on defining characteristics, not on every conjunction of unrelated traits that merely happens to be shared by a number of people.
And as has been pointed out to you before, while Wikipedia certainly recommends notifying the content creator of a deletion discussion, we do not have any rule that failing to do so is an actionable issue that can lead to sanctions. Whether notifications should happen or not, the reality is that for a variety of reasons (including purely technical ones for which nobody could legitimately be blamed at all) you're simply not going to always get them — so it is ultimately your responsibility to watchlist anything you feel strongly about rather than attacking the nominator for not notifying you.
Bearcat (
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14:13, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
As far as your advice about my responsibility(?) "to watchlist anything you feel strongly about" it would probably take me much less effort to simply stalk the edits both you and
User:Good Olfactory make to
wp:CfD since you are the only editors who nominate many of the categories I create for deletion without bothering to notify me. However, stalking takes time and will be at the expense of other contributions I would rather make to Wikipedia.
Ottawahitech (
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17:10, 11 November 2016 (UTC)please
ping mereply
The guideline you claim is lacking most certainly does exist, actually: religion-related categories are covered by
WP:CATEGRS (ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality) rules. In this particular situation, the relevant section is the one on "special subcategories": for these categories to be justified, "Presbyterian" would have to have a directly relevant,
WP:DEFINING relationship with "mayor". It's not enough that mayors existed who were Presbyterians, because the category system is not just a way to create lists of everything it might be possible to create a list of — the Presbyterianism and the mayoralty would have to have a direct and substantive impact on each other.
And for the record, watchlisting things doesn't require any grand herculean effort on your part — all you have to do is click a little star on the top of the page, and then check your watchlist once in a while. In what way is that even remotely harder than actively wikistalking other people would be?
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18:33, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:American horror fiction television series
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I agree with the nominator in principle, but
Category:Horror fiction television series by country, and the six other country-specific subcategories that are siblings to this one, are also named in the same format — which means the same issue applies to all of them, not just to this one alone. Procedural keep, pending resubmission as a batch.
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04:46, 6 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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