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Nominator's rationale: This category contains just
one article (that is in plenty of other categories), has no parent categories and has some unusual category text ("...we reallu do need it as the article deals among other issues with..."). Do we really need this category? DexDor(talk)22:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Open - I created the category. For whatever reason I did not see International sanctions; my problem was that the article deals in part (but rather extensively) with sanctions in general, apart from just against Iraq and as a result of the Ukraine invasion, which was all that I saw. I would be content with changing that category to "international sanctions" if that is the best thing to do.
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Category:Bramfelder SV
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Nominator's rationale: With just one (eponymous) article and no parent category tags this category is not performing any useful purpose. DexDor(talk)22:46, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Christian worship
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Nominator's rationale: rename/merge, different denominations use a different term (either worship or liturgy) for a very similar concept. Rather than having different categories for every term, this proposal suggests to combine the both terms in one category name. The proposal definitely does not suggest renaming any of the child categories of the nominated categories. See also
this earlier discussion and
this recent discussion.
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20:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Electric power transmission systems by continent
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@
Marcocapelle: I'm absolutely okay with the alt merge you're suggesting. Note to the closing admin: The older categories should be renamed to replace the ones I created. --
PanchoS (
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22:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Neutral to the nominator's proposal, oppose proposal by Marcocapelle. These categories belongs now under the electric power infrastructure tree. The tern electric power transmission is a broader term, it means all parts of the process and therefore can't be categorized anymore under infrastructure. E.g., electric power transmission should in that case involve also electric power transmission system operators (TSOs) which are companies, not infrastructure. Therefore, I am against of merging and think that instead of the proper categorisation tree should be developed.
Beagel (
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09:24, 18 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose procedurally. We need to consider the entire tree of
Category:Electric power transmission systems if we're looking at the "systems" naming. Just looking at the by continents articles makes little sense. If we aren't renaming the parent category, we should keep these names as-is for consistency. No comment on the merging proposal, but I think it would be much cleaner to handle this all at once when dealing with the whole tree, so I'd rather put that off as well. ~ RobTalk06:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Rob: You're free to have your opinion, but this is no way procedurally contestable. I purposely didn't nominate
Category:Electric power transmission systems as it contains a totally different kind of articles that may (or might not) be "systems", but either way have to be discussed separately. All I can do in response to your objection, is explicitly proposing
Category:Electric power transmission infrastructure to be created (see abvove), though category creations don't have to be proposed. It goes without saying that a missing parent category is created.
Category:Electric power transmission systems, supposed to contain actual "transmission systems" would be left unchanged, unless merged in the course of a separate nomination. --
PanchoS (
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20:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)reply
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PanchoS: Wait, was you original nomination to remove this from the systems tree entirely? Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were proposing that these children of the systems tree were to be renamed because the "systems" name is not clearly defined. Was your nomination based on something else? ~ RobTalk20:26, 22 June 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Electric power transmission systems by country
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With the current limited size of these categories we can better have broad inclusion criteria, so I like the original proposal better than the alternative.
Marcocapelle (
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06:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose. These categories belongs now under the electic power infrastructure tree. The tern electric power transmission is a broader term, it means a process and therefore can't be categorized anymore under infrastructure. E.g., electric power transmission should in that case involve also electric power transmission system operators (TSOs) which are companies, not infrastructure. Therefore, I am not against for creating Electric power transmission by country categories, but the current Electric power transmission systems by country categories should be kept for more systematic approach.
Beagel (
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09:19, 18 June 2016 (UTC)reply
I've struck my previous comment, it seems like I've been confused with the nomination just above. The country categories are quite decently populated.
Marcocapelle (
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05:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose procedurally. See my comment above. We need to look at the parent category as well. Without one big nomination examining the whole tree, I can't support renaming these country categories away from their parent category's naming scheme. ~ RobTalk06:56, 21 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Same here: I have no idea how to move this forward to a consensus, so I'm withdrawing and will simply create the missing level, leaving the rest to future editors. --
PanchoS (
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12:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Sorry for being unclear. My comment was about creating the missing level Category:Electric power transmission in X.
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10:44, 25 June 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Eros in ancient Greece
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More discussion is needed to figure out what target is preferable.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk05:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Paintings by national location
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The result of the discussion was:rename to
Category:Paintings by country of location. This is an incremental improvement but probably not a final solution to this category tree. Everyone agrees the current name is unclear. There's disagreement over whether appropriate categorization is by country of creation or country of location, but the current scope is country of location. There's no clear consensus to rescope. This close is without prejudice against future focused nominations to discuss deletion or rescoping. (
non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk07:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. Paintings are different from most "by country" categories, because they can easily be moved and because they don't have any specifically national association, other than where they were created. Most other subjects with lots of articles either can't be moved (
Category:Cities by country) or have specific national associations (
Category:People by country,
Category:Submarines by country) that apply regardless of current location. Consider Mona Lisa, which is of Italian origin and is currently located in France. It belongs in
Category:Italian paintings (it's a member of the subcategory
Category:Paintings by Leonardo da Vinci) as well as
Category:Paintings in France (it's buried in that category tree), both of which would fit into "Paintings by country", but because of the distinction between country of creation and country of current location, those two are in the separate
Category:Paintings by nationality and
Category:Paintings by national location categories. This proposal would effectively merge the two (if "national location" becomes "country", why shouldn't "nationality"?) and thereby create confusion.
Nyttend (
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15:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Italian paintings is properly categorized by "paintings by nationality". That there is some miscategorization of "by nationality" and "by country" container categories is a problem to fix, yes, but argument that this is intended to merge nationality and country categories is a straw hat. We are just standardizing the "odd one one" in naming here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here07:52, 27 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment, if renamed it should become clear what we mean with "by country". Is it country of creation (which sounds more intuitive), or is it current location (as apparently intended by this category). In the former case I would suggest renaming to
Category:Paintings by country of creation, in the latter case I wonder if the proposed rename is unambiguous enough.
Marcocapelle (
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15:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm guessing that
User:Neutrality suggests not only to rename but also to re-purpose the category. It would indeed make more sense to categorize by country of creation than by country of current location because the latter may vary too much to categorize.
Marcocapelle (
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08:44, 3 June 2016 (UTC)reply
I don't think a rename/repurpose (by CFD) that then relies on editors to recategorize articles to fit the new name (leaving articles miscategorized in the meantime) is a good idea. It would be better to (after suitable discussion) create new by-country-of-creation categories then delete the old by-country-of-location categories (unless it can be shown that the number of paintings that would be miscategorized would be very small). DexDor(talk)05:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It seems that Neutrality's suggestion has consensus (i.e. rename to "by country" but clarify which country that is meant to be). We still need to figure out if we want to repurpose this to be "country of creation" or "country of location", however. Either way, this will require purging.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk01:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete where a painting was created is usually not defining, who created it is; where it is depicting may be defining - if the depiction is of the place and not merely some person (or some fruit and flowers) in some room that could just as well be anywhere; which country the painting is in today is a current category and is not defining - when it's sold or moved no doubt the category will change (not added like a sportsman who changes teams) showing its impermanence and triviality.
Carlossuarez46 (
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16:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Carlossuarez has a good point here, it's actually surprising that none of us came up with this thought before, so I wouldn't object to deletion.
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Category:Incest in television
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Delete the category is for tv shows that discuss/depict incest - not a notable genre. I would have suspected that a category with this title would have something to do with incest occurring in television - like some station owners hooking up with their siblings or folks getting into their (pre-flat panel) tv to commit incest, but alas.
Carlossuarez46 (
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16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment There is an awful lot of junk in this category, it seems to me. Is
Arrested Development (TV series) even "about incest"? I don't see any reference to it in the article. Maybe works like Something About Amelia could be moved to the incest in film category, as it is a TV movie. Do we have television works about incest that aren't films? I don't have time right now to completely review the category contents.
Shawn in Montreal (
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22:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)reply
It would be a stretch to say that Arrested Development is "about" incest. There is a recurring theme/joke that a young character is infatuated with his cousin.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)reply
I see. Thanks. Well, I do see that there are entries such as Zaguri Imperia, where the theme appears more pronounced. While I have no particular interest in, say, the Family Guy episode articles -- where every time McFarlane and co. make a joke about x, we're supposed to categorize it? -- I must say I don't see a rationale for outright deletion, based on what is 'really necessary'. At most you'd have to upmerge to
Category:Incest in fiction to categorize TV series and such that genuinely address incest. This category has siblings for film and theatre productions. I don't understand why the Incest in foo structure would be uniquely unsuited for a TV category, while those siblings aren't being touched. My slight preference would be to weakly oppose, and clean up the category.
Shawn in Montreal (
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13:02, 10 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment -- If a TV series is centred on an incestuous relationship, it may be worth having a category, but not if it is merely incidental, or involves love between cousins (which is not incest in my country).
Peterkingiron (
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18:57, 12 June 2016 (UTC)reply
keep There have been a few studies over the past year suggesting that incest and subgenres like the fauxcest genre are gaining a very high amount of viewership, largely driven by female interest. This indicates that this category will remain relevant for the foreseeable future.
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21:51, 15 June 2016 (UTC)reply
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