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Category:Programs acquired by ABS-CBN

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't understand what this category is about. This is not Category:ABS-CBN shows but some odd subset of shows that were "acquired" by ABS-CBN. Further, I can't find a source in any of these articles about how they were "acquired" by a particular network. It seems like it's listing broadcasts but that categorization would drive almost every television article into complete overcategorization chaos. Ricky81682 ( talk) 21:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:The Surreal Life participants

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) SST flyer 06:03, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Like other categories on this page this category is not for people who became known through being on a reality show but for people who were already known before appearing in it. We should not categorize them in this manner. Mars Felix ( talk) 18:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:Association of American Universities

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) SST flyer 06:06, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per previous precedent at CfD, university association categories have been renamed to clarify they are referring to membership, not a relationship to the topic in itself. Regards, James ( talk/ contribs) 15:56, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! contestants

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:PERFCAT Rob Sinden ( talk) 13:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:The Only Way Is Essex cast members

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Participants in British reality television series. -- Tavix ( talk) 17:10, 9 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:PERFCAT Rob Sinden ( talk) 13:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Question - it appears that the project does categorize people who are on reality shows who are not or were not otherwise famous before their participation and regardless of what other things they may additionally become known for. See for instance the contents of Category:Participants in British reality television series which includes this category. Am I correct in thinking that such categories are acceptable for those whose primary reason for fame is the reality show but not acceptable when they were famous or known before their reality show participation? Mars Felix ( talk) 17:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Should it be upmerged to that category then? Appearance on a specific show is a performance, but if they are solely notable for being a reality show contestant, then the more general parent category would be the WP:DEFINING category, in the same way that we categorise people as Category:Actors but not by the films or shows they appeared in. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 08:02, 28 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Category:Participants in British reality television series should probably be purged of the celebrities per WP:PERFCAT also. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 08:03, 28 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Except for the fact that they're real people in real storylines - not performers doing performances. Jim Michael ( talk) 21:34, 30 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Reality television is not "real people in real storylines", it is non-trained people acting in ways that are meant to have the aura of being more authentic, or competition that is just plain competition. Either way, it is form of casting, they are described as cast members, and so performance, and so we should not categorize by a particular show. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I wouldn't say that TOWIE members are acting - there's no script and the storylines are real. The show is not a competition. The cat should be renamed, because they're not cast members or actors - they're real people who live in and around Brentwood. Jim Michael ( talk) 18:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:Strictly Come Dancing participants

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The result of the discussion was: delete. If someone is up for the task, they can go though the professinals at List of Strictly Come Dancing contestants and make sure they're in the relevant dancer category(ies). -- Tavix ( talk) 17:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:PERFCAT. Rob Sinden ( talk) 13:58, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - this looks to be something of a hybrid category, containing people who were famous before going on the show and people who became famous through their appearance on it. Would it be advisable to change the category name to something that reflects that it should only be used for the people who gained their fame from the show? Mars Felix ( talk) 18:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Would they not be categorised in one of the subcategories of Category:Dancers? That would be the WP:DEFINING category in my mind. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 07:57, 28 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:Nonexistent or unplayable musical instruments

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete as we don't categorize things by what they are not. See also this earlier discussion which is still open. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:09, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:Historical Figures from Kavajë

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "historical figure" is undefined, we don't have any other historical figure categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:28, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedia categories named after presidents

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The result of the discussion was: renamed. Pinging Good Olfactory to implement the proposed broadening. -- Tavix ( talk) 12:53, 6 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: It would make sense to broaden this to cover all heads of states so that it can parallel ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.›  Category:Wikipedia categories named after heads of government. If renamed, it would need to be re-parented and populated with non-presidential heads of state, which I am happy to do. Yes, the proposed category could just be created and populated as a parent category of the nominated one, but frankly, I don't see the point of having both since these are administrative categories only. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • If we made the change, categories like Category:Elizabeth II and many other heads of state (kings, queens, sultans, emperors, party general secretaries, generalissimos, and what-have-you), would belong, which may not be a bad thing, since "president" is a shared name IMHO, but just wanted to point out the expansion likely. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 18:41, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Yup, I was anticipating the expansion to include non-presidential heads of state, which include some, but not all, of those in Category:Wikipedia categories named after royalty. As you say, the presidential one is just kind of a categorization by shared name. Presidential heads of state vary greatly in their actual role and level of power. But the one thing that they do have in common is that they are heads of state. Renaming will also prevent non-head of state presidents from being added, such as presidents of corporations or associations. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 28 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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