Category:German military personnel killed in the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
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Nominator's rationale: There are no actual people listed in this category, only the article about such death. Therefore, such a category is pointless.
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21:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:LGBT opposition to same-sex marriage
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Nominator's rationale: As it stands, the category is highly misleading. Apart from a few
LGBT conservatives (which should probably be purged or split apart), most others criticize the concept of marriage or its legal privilege in whole. Arguing from a left-wing position, some of them might be critical of the LGBT community's focus on marriage equality, but clearly don't advocate denying LGBT people a same-sex marriage, and aren't affiliated with conservatism, as the parent category ‹The
templateCat is being
considered for merging.›Category:Opposition to same-sex marriage suggests.
PanchoS (
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17:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
We're actually not so far apart – you're asking the category to be split, which I suggested being open for. So yes, I'm fine with that proposal. --
PanchoS (
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23:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep, but add parentage per Lauren Lodged, and purge of individuals When we are categorizing by a movement (LGBT, not LGBT's) opposing/favoring XYZ, we cannot have individuals otherwise think of the clutter at a possible
Category:Christian opposition to same-sex marriage where literally thousands of politicians, entertainers, or other public figures are (or were - these categories are permanent, lest they be "current" and trivial ones) on record for both Christianity and opposition to same-sex marriage.
Carlossuarez46 (
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22:28, 21 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Purge if Kept The individual biography articles shouldn't be here since we're defining people by their stance on a single issue where that doesn't seem defining.
RevelationDirect (
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02:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Support nomination + purging, oppose splitting. The category currently contains (1) articles about a radical LGBT movement that is against marriage in general hence also against same-sex marriage and (2) a few LGBT individuals who are against same-sex marriage specifically. As we usually don't categorize individual people by their opinions on a single issue, only the first set of articles would survive in a category, which is exactly according the original nomination.
Marcocapelle (
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04:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. Anti-marriage and opposition to Gay marriage are two different topics. I suggest having both categories, for both topics are noteworthy.
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14:23, 5 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Pages automatically checked for accidental language links
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Don't Care But note that the bot will have to be updated at the same time the category is changed on all pages using it.
Anomie⚔02:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)reply
What's wrong with using the category text (rather than the category name) to define the details of what the bot does with the category? DexDor(talk)18:09, 27 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Pages automatically checked for incorrect links is best, since as noted above: (1) it includes more than language links, (2) it may include more than what it's including now, and we shouldn't have to bother with another CFD, (3) and the proposed name describes it reasonably well, it's significantly shorter than anything might conceivably encompass everything. Using the category text to define it will be unambiguous, plus (1) it's more easily changed than the category name, and (2) descriptive text atop a category doesn't affect relevant articles, but an all-encompassing category name will be long enough to be unwieldy.
Nyttend (
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13:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Pages automatically checked for incorrect links summarizes the purpose of this category concisely, and there's always the theoretical possibility that more incorrect link types will get added at some point.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu17:59, 29 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Academics from Tacoma, Washington
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Keep SMALLCAT is a rationale for categories with "no potential for growth" which does not apply to these growing categories about living people. Plus the generally accepted minimum for a category is three, which the chefs category already meets. I easily found enough entries to populate the other two categories with 3-4 entries. -
Brianhe (
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22:58, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Academics: merge to
Category:People from Tacoma, Washington. In the case of the academics, it is an irrelevant intersection by location (see
WP:OCLOCATION). There is no indication that their notability as academics is related to their being from Tacoma. Their academic notability may be connected with being American academics, or with being academics at a particular university, or in a particular discipline; but not to being academics from Tacoma. Regardless of the size of the category, irrelevant intersections are a very bad type of category.
Chefs merge to
Category:People from Tacoma, Washington and
Category:Chefs from Washington (state). Chefs may be notable for being at a particular location, though many move around a lot, so the precise location may not be
WP:DEFINING. However, the only by-state sub-category of
Category:American chefs is the Washington category, also created by
Brianhe, so I am unsure whether even it is appropriate. The absence of an existing by-state category should have prompted Brianhe to question whether a finer division was really appropriate. In total, there are currently 543 pages in
Category:American chefs and its subcats, of which 140 are notable as TV chefs, and hence probably not defined by location. If, despite those caveats, it is considered appropriate to subcat the American chefs geographically, then a by-state split would produce an average only 10 per state. Going to a finer level than that simply impedes navigation.
Neutral -- These are very much on the margins of an acceptable category size. If not kept, merge, not only as nom, but also to a Washington (State) occupational category per BHG to prevent loss of useful data.
Peterkingiron (
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11:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge all We have gone way too far in this specific occupation from specific city categorizing. It may work with a few huge cities, but not with Tacoma. I am unconvinced we need to split chefs by city at all.
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01:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Television personalities
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Link. The topic of the discussion was different (split in male vs. female, closed as no split) but the value of the category did get discussed by some editors.
Place Clichy (
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08:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Really? Would you be so kind to tell me the difference in a few words? Personality (i.e. in this context person) and people look pretty synonymous to me. If the difference is that a personality is more notable than people (which is true), that would not justify a Wikipedia category, because Wikipedia categories only gather people notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, even when they are called Foo people.
Place Clichy (
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08:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge -- If someone can come up with a robust definition of which TV People are (and are not) personalities, we could probably re-create personalities, but the distinction is likely to be a POV-issue, which cannot provide a viable category.
Peterkingiron (
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16:28, 23 July 2016 (UTC)reply
A "Television personality" is someone who has regularly appeared on television as themselves, in particular hosting or presenting shows."
Johnbod (
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15:11, 28 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose, TV people is clearly broader as it also contains directors, writers, critics, while personalities apparently only refers to people who have been on TV. I wouldn't oppose a rename though, if there is a better term than personality.
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04:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge
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The result of the discussion was:delete. First off, when a page is deleted at an XFD discussion, that decision can be overturned only at
WP:DRV. Talk page discussions are not as widely notified, so they can't overrule the broader consensus at CFD. So the nominator
Good Ol’factory was being generously forgiving in bringing the category here, rather than speedy deleting it per
WP:G4. But here we are. The consensus of this discussion is that if kept, the category needs a massive purge. However, those who investigated found that only 3 pages actually belonged in this category. Per
WP:SMALLCAT, 3-article categories rarely survive a CFD discussion ... so on balance, I find that those favouring deletion have arguments more firmly based in policy. That amounts to a consensus for deletion. Editors are of course quite entitled to disagree with a consensus decision, but should respect it unless and until it is overturned. If anyone wants to challenge this decision, please use the proper venue:
WP:Deletion review. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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14:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Category was recently discussed and deleted: see
here. Re-creation of it was proposed and discussed
here, on the article talk page. I'm just bringing it here to verify that there is consensus that re-creation is OK, since it was so recently deleted.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Well, for starters, most of those who participated in the recent CFD have not commented, so it's kind of difficult to know what they think about re-creation. If you're confident that there is a consensus for re-creation, then there's nothing to fear; this discussion will just confirm what you believe. Having this discussion will better insulate the category from being nominated for speedy deletion via
G4.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Well, let it be known that that discussion is over a month old without anymore input from anyone else and no category was created in that time, so I assumed it would be okay to do so.
Parsley Man (
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02:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
It was totally OK; I'm not faulting you. I'm just concerned that the difference between the numbers that participated in the original discussion vs. the numbers that participated in the re-assessment would still leave the door open to a G4. If you would prefer that I withdraw this nomination and you take your chances on a speedy nomination not happening, I'd be willing.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:59, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
That's reasonable to consider. It should also be considered though that the claim was made that the article count had grown to 9 and I'm at a loss to find 9 articles that belong here. (If it was really that high, I'd change my vote too.)
RevelationDirect (
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11:46, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete or purge - this category should only contain articles that belong in all of the parent categories - currently there's even
a category loop. Categories should group similar articles - linkage between related articles is done by normal hyperlinks. DexDor(talk)04:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep for now but purge -- This is an incident of which I know nothing apart from what I read here, but there seems to be far more content than the subject deserves. Ideally the three articles should be merged (with a lot of purging), when they have been, the category can be deleted. The one surviving article should perhaps be placed in a county category (not vice versa). Alternatively merge into
Category:Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, purging extraneous material.
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16:39, 23 July 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Models
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Category:Gluten-free restaurants
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Weak keep or alt merge to ‹The
templateCat is being
considered for merging.›Category:Gluten-free cuisine. I purged the articles on restaurants that are not entirely gluten-free. For the single one remaining, being gluten-free however is a clearly defining characteristic. It also isn't likely to be the only one out there, and chances are good that we'll see a relatively high coverage of these. --
PanchoS (
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22:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)reply
@
RevelationDirect and
Lugnuts: Note that I nominated ‹The
templateCat is being
considered for merging.›Category:Gluten-free cuisine to be renamed to "Gluten-free diet" per its main article. I initially chose "cuisine" rather than "food" to keep the focus on specific food for gluten sensitive people, as most unprocessed food is naturally gluten-free anyway, and we don't want to inflate the category with unspecific articles on tomatos, onions, potatoes, rice or meat dishes. Now I considered "Gluten-free diet" would be an even better choice to keep the category focussed on what's specific to a Gluten-free diet. If someone disagrees, we can move that one to a regular discussion. --
PanchoS (
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10:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete NOTDIRECTORY. These needing gluten-free food have a difficult time, but that does not mean that WP should have a category for them. There is a place for such a category, but it is probably somewhere like trip-advisor.
Peterkingiron (
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16:44, 23 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete, this one article is about a restaurant serving (1) organic, (2) vegan, (3) gluten-free, and (4) dairy-free food. We wouldn't want to have it in four categories, would we?
Marcocapelle (
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04:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle: Sure we would, if it's an organic, vegan, gluten-free and dairy-free restaurant, unless there's some adequate category for free-of-all-of-this restaurants. IMO, the only valid reason to delete it is size, and that may change. --
PanchoS (
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13:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)reply
We shouldn't categorize by all possible menu characteristics per
WP:NONDEF. I'm surely okay with one menu characteristic as a restaurant's defining characteristic (e.g. a restaurant serving Chinese food), but not with four.
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13:22, 27 July 2016 (UTC)reply
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