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Category:Medieval Catalan and Occitan history
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Full upmerge -- while there is a linguistic link and they are adjacent areas, they are otherwise disparate. Laguage does not dictate politics in this context.
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14:37, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Zionist political violence
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Alternative: create child categoryCategory:Zionist terrorism. I suppose this will get a difficult discussion, if only because there is no clear definition of terrorism, as the Wikipedia article
Terrorism also mentions. However there seems to be a sort of consensus that acts of terrorism can only be conducted by groups or individual people (but not states) directed against a state or ruling government. From that perspective I would consider that Zionist terrorism may be a valid category if it will only contain articles with violence against the British rulers before the independence in 1948, e.g. the
King David Hotel bombing.
Marcocapelle (
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19:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)reply
If (as it currently does) this category sits below various "terrorism" categories then it would be reasonable for it to also include the word "terrorism". DexDor(talk)20:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: Marcocapelle. Uhm, actually not at all. Terrorism is also considered as 'attacks against civilians for political or other ideological goals' (i.e: Zionism). Not to mention; types of terrorism include:
Civil disorder: A form of collective violence interfering with the peace, security, and normal functioning of the community.
Political terrorism: Violent criminal behaviour designed primarily to generate fear in the community, or substantial segment of it, for political purposes.
The underlying question of this discussion is to determine if the definition of terrorism includes ethnic violence between two parties (in this case by Zionists on Palestinians) while the attacked party doesn't rule the country. Based on the sources as mentioned in
Terrorism it's not clear if that type of ethnic violence is generally considered to be part of terrorism. If you wish to maintain that such ethnic violence can be part of terrorism anyway it may be helpful to provide some similar examples of ethnic violence that are (more clearly) generally considered to be of terrorist nature.
Marcocapelle (
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21:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Its not ethnic violence, between two ethnicities. Almost all articles included in category are attacks of Zionist militias on Palestinians, while the remaining articles are attacks by Zionist militias on Britain. Not to mention that ethnic violence is, in fact terrorism.[1] --
Makeandtoss (
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21:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Just for clarity, I inserted a summary of my proposal at the beginning of my contribution. Honestly I had expected much more people to react. If nobody else reacts I consider that this alternative proposal has insufficient support and then I would support the original nomination.
Marcocapelle (
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09:16, 23 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment -- I think there is a potentially viable category here, but neither the present name nor the target is a wholly satisfactory one. The subject is the struggle leading to the formation of the state of Israel, in which there certainly were incidents that others would regard as terrorism. I am looking to have a focused category that cannot be used by Arabs as an ATTACK category against Israel. I would suggest
Category:Zionist terrorism (1940-1948). The initial date should be when the first Zionist attack took place, not necessarily 1940 and the last the point at which the UN-controlled ceasefire line between Israel and Jordan became functional.
Peterkingiron (
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14:47, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Support – The majority of terrorism definitions includes attacks against civilians for political, religious and ideological goals. There's also a strong argument that Zionism covers the criteria of three goals to a certain degree. Political violence fits within the definition of terrorism and Zionism is no exception for an alternative, euphemistic term to be used.
Tanbircdq (
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19:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
All the articles in the category are proven to be terrorist attacks, by sources. That move proposal was a very weak discussion, and the Allegations of state terrorism by Israel is irrelevant to this category. And on the contrary we should rename this category to 'Zionist terrorism' so it can match 'Palestinian terrorism' category.--
Makeandtoss (
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22:06, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Category titles don't directly match the head article if it's not appropriate to do so. GreyShark is confusing the matter by using a
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument of previous discussions about articles that are irrelevant to this discussion. As Makeandtoss has stated, the category should be changed to a more consistent title so long as there's
WP:RS supporting that the articles in the categories are terrorist attacks.
Tanbircdq (
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22:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:People by company in the United Kindgom
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