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The result of the discussion was:keep. The discussion was tending towards delete but a fresh delete nomination should give more clarity on that.
Marcocapelle (
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07:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose I've been bold and refined the scope of the gymnasts category to those who compete in gymnastics as a sport, which is what all the parent categories suggest this should be. People who compete in gymnastics are easily distinguish from people who perform as acrobats. I think we should avoid using this to categorise "acrobatic" or "gymnastic" superheroes as that subjective and largely not really that distinguishing a feature. No opposition to creation of a fictional acrobats category, although on the same lines I would expect it to cover those who perform as acrobats.
SFB19:20, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Paleontology of Ethiopia
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Category:Smithsonian Institution Archives related
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Support, on the basis the
Category:Smithsonian Institution Archives related seems to be a vague categorisation of anyone and anything with some papers (etc.) in the Smithsonian archives. I picked two of the articles at random and neither mentioned a Smithsonian connection (though they used Smithsonian as a source). The category doesn't seem to be encyclopedic.
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Category:Hereditary peers removed from the House of Lords under the Act 1999
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Delete/Listify. That a person was a member of the House of Lords is a defining characteristic. How they came to leave it (removed under this act, died etc) isn't -
WP:DNWAUC.
DexDor (
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19:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete/Listify what's sourced we don't generally categorize parliament members by how they leave office (defeated, resigned, retired, term-limited, this particular law, etc.)
Carlossuarez46 (
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23:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment. Note that it's not just the fact they left the House of Lords, but the fact that they will be the last holders of their titles ever to sit in the House of Lords. I'm not that bothered, but it does seem to be a worthwhile category. --
Necrothesp (
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17:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)reply
keep Of course this is a defining category. These aren't just peers who left the house, they're peerages (and peerages don't often die). To fail to understand this is to fail to understand much of UK parliamentarianism.
I'd agree that the original title is clumsy and would in principle support the rename. However to keep it short, how about "...under the 1999 Act", which is the way that such things are usually condensed, in context.
Andy Dingley (
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18:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Listify and delete -- There were about 1000 peers entitled to sit up to 1999, but many of them had leave of absence, or even had never gone through the steps to take their seat. 92 hereditary peers retained their seats. Being among the 92 is certainly noteworthy; being among those excluded is not. For those who attended regularly and were excluded, it might be notable, but how frequent would attendences have to be to be "regular"? That is a POV question. For some peers, going through the formalities of taking their seat and making maiden speech was a right of passage, after which they never darkened the doors of the House again.
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Category:Economy of Ukraine by Region
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Category:Wikipedian qin xiao players
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Category:WikiProject Beauty Pageants
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The result of the discussion was:keep. As I said closing the MfD with the same result, I'd need to see much stronger arguments before deleting a WikiProject anyone is active in. --
BDD (
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04:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: this project is completely dead after the (likely) paid pageant promoter accts have been systematically deleted. It serves no purpose.
Legacypac (
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10:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep there are thousands of articles that are categorized. Deletion of the category should be the last step not the "first step". If you want to get rid of the project, first delete the project at
WP:MfD (and its project pages), second delete its project banner, then delete the categories. --
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10:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:User:333-blue
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Comment/Note Looks like a fairly new editor, so I reached out to him on his/her talk page to give a little background on categories. Note that this category has two subcategories.
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17:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Best Music Video ― Female on Barbados Music Awards
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Category:Video of the Year on VH1 Soul VIBE Awards
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Category:Austerity Britain
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. I'm not positive what "Austerity Britain" is (other than a slogan and the name of recent book), but I think the category is just for "
Austerity in the United Kingdom".
Good Ol’factory(talk)03:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose It's recognisable enough that people are using it as a book title, but because one WP editor from the other side of the world "isn't positive" what it means, it doesn't exist?
@
Andy Dingley:"but because one WP editor from the other side of the world 'isn't positive' what it means, it doesn't exist?" There's really no need to be sarcastic. I didn't say that the concept does not exist. I am merely suggesting that the name that was chosen is obscure. Wikipedia is read by many different types of people from many different places in the world, so it usually helps to have names that can be well understood on their face. If we had an article called
Austerity Britain that was about the topic, there might be a case for common name—but absent that, I think it's best to use something else. (From the below comments of users from the UK, it seems that the terminology may not be well known even in the UK, in any case.)
Good Ol’factory(talk)03:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename – I had assumed it was something to do with George Osborne, ie 2010s. As "Austerity Britain" is a term of propaganda (and the book
Austerity Britain has no article), Wikipedia should use the neutral term "Austerity in the United Kingdom" and some articles on more recent austerities (or earlier austerities) should be added. (
Bedroom tax perhaps.)
Oculi (
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14:12, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
I am in the UK and had not heard the phrase "Austerity Britain" until today and so I would dispute the commonness of the name. A general rule is that a category named after something should be preceded by its article: "Austerity in the United Kingdom" has a clear scope whereas "Austerity Britain" does not (without an article to describe the scope, which appears to be 1945-1951 or so).
Oculi (
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16:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Because there is a significant relationship between them. However it's not a simple implicit superset, so it's appropriate to have a separate category, and for that category to be a member of the other. There is a significant history of "Occupation of Germany / Japan to 1948" or "Far Eastern POW repatriation in 1946" that clearly belong under WWII as well, yet is outside the simple VE/VJ day timeframe.
Andy Dingley (
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11:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete, there's no matching article and I've no idea what it means (and I'm in the UK). What is austere and what is not austere is a subjective thing ...personally I thought we were still living under 'Austerity Britain'!
Sionk (
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21:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete not an obvious objective time period that had universal application - an article about rationing seems to indicate its use in other periods than WW2 and post-war.
Carlossuarez46 (
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23:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Apart from a number(?) of book titles, I can't see any reference to Austerity Britain, no even a section in any of the articles on World War II etc. Before you have a category you first of all need a subject. This category seems to have been created prematurely.
Sionk (
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12:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
"Apart from a number(?) of book titles, I can't see any reference to Austerity Britain"
Actually, reusing the category such that it's going to contain WP articles about books that have 'Austerity Britain' as their defining characteristic would be the most appropriate use of this category. But the current use of the category is very different, and it's entirely unclear what criteria are currently being used for classification in this category. For that reason I would also delete the category.
Marcocapelle (
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20:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
We don't generally divide up a country's history by what is partially occurring there; austerity measures were undertaken in the context of World War II, where all this could be categorized, and in post-WW2 Britain, where it could also be. However, items like the
1948 Summer Olympics which were held in "Austerity Britain" aren't categorized in Austerity Britain - it's just a grouping of like things over a period, but we don't categorize like that: we don't have
Category:Disco era for all the events that happened when Disco songs were all over the charts, etc....
Carlossuarez46 (
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21:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename or Upmerge to somewhere else (
Postwar Britain?). This is clearly going to be confused with the current period of austerity in Britain, given that "Austerity Britain" isn't a long-lived phrase to describe the period (or even outside of the context of David Kynaston's book).
SFB19:29, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
"Postwar Britain" is just a non-defining time period. It would include (per above) the
1948 Summer Olympics, but it lacks the coherence needed for a valuable category.
Austerity Britain though, as constituted and even with the few members it has so far like
CC41 and
Utility clothing, covers a coherent topic that's worthy of record (I'm told there are even books published about it).
Andy Dingley (
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22:42, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
All this continuing sarcasm is amusing and all, but I'm not finding it terribly helpful in moving through this particular discussion. And I mean this comment sincerely, not sarcastically.
Good Ol’factory(talk)00:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Andy Dingley: That's why one of my suggested outcomes is rename. Categories on periods should be a period of broad study and use the name that the period is commonly described as. Austerity Britain as a term seems entirely novel to Kynaston's 2006 book. Can you show me any other treatments of the period that refers to is as Austerity Britain. When you google the term
without Kynaston you see it's a term mostly associated with 1980s and 2010s Britain.
SFB07:58, 22 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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