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Nominator's rationale: It is used to categorize places over the inclusion in a county that no longer exists. We should only categorize them with the current territorial units, not what was valid a hundred years ago. For some towns in more disputed areas, this would lead to a dozen or two new categories.
bogdan (
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18:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Support deleting the category with this content. Though I wouldn't object to reinstating the category if it could be populated with history articles about this county.
Marcocapelle (
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05:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Possible Keep -- The article on the county indicates that it was created in 19881 by the merger of tow other counties and partitioned between three countries in 1921. I think it is useful to categorise places by their former county, particularly there later arrangements seem to bear little relation to earlier ones. In this particular case, perhaps the contents should be split between
Category:Krassó County and
Category:Szörény County, omitting a category for the amalgamated county that existed for a mere 40 years.
Peterkingiron (
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17:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete The current category confuses navigation. I'm open to recreating this (or similar categories proposed by PKI) if and when there are specific articles about this period/location to place in them.
RevelationDirect (
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02:19, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep The nominator has overlooked the fact that this is part of an established scheme of historical categorisation consisting of counties and comparable administrative areas within the
Kingdom of Hungary and the
Austro-Hungarian monarchy as a whole. That in turn is part of a larger scheme of categorisation consisting of comparable administrative units in larger former states, such as the
German Empire, the
Russian Empire and the
Ottoman Empire. Deleting it would seriously disrupt this whole scheme, which has existed for many years already.
Lekoren (
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11:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Moreover, categories of this type serve as parent categories for the subcategories consisting of people born within the county (or comparable administative unit) while it existed.
Category:People from Krassó-Szörény County, for instance, is a subcategory of both
Category:Krassó-Szörény County and
Category:Austro-Hungarian people. See the corresponding categories for other parts of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy, the German Empire, the Russian Empire etc. As I said, it's all part of a much larger established scheme of historical categorisation.
Lekoren (
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13:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete the people from category is sufficiently linked to
Category:Austro-Hungarian people and with the header that links to the article on this county. While arguably
Jerusalem and many other such places could benefit from being in categories for every political division they have been part of, that is really not what categories are for. Categories are for defining characteristics of the article. For people, if they were born in one county, where they were born was annexed to another country where they did a part of their defining activities, and then a third country annexed the place and they continued doing defining activities, maybe they were a writer publishing works while a national of all 3 countries, than all three countries can be defining. However, places have much longer history and so the many different countries they were in over time will not be as defining. It does not seem a good way to categorize places.
John Pack Lambert (
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04:53, 15 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:LGBT places
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Nominator's rationale: For the same reasons whereby Wikipedia consensus has insisted on categorizing films as ‹The
templateCategory link is being
considered for merging.›Category:LGBT-related films rather than "LGBT films", magazines as ‹The
templateCategory link is being
considered for merging.›Category:LGBT-related magazines rather than "LGBT magazines", and on and so forth, this needs to be renamed — the current naming implies, wrongly, that the places have an inherent sexual orientation or gender identity of their own, rather than simply being associated with people who have sexual orientations or gender identities. The places are LGBT-related, but they don't have sexual or gender identities per se.
Bearcat (
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16:55, 12 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Query - would the same logic mean that "Category:LGBT nightclubs" should be renamed "Category:LGBT-related nightclubs"? Would a rename to something like "Category:Facilities for LGBT people" be better? DexDor(talk)05:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete and upmerge to
Category:LGBT, not "places". These are various types of places frequented by or catering to a LGBT clientele, the only thing they have in common is their clientele, which is handled in the category to which they should be upmerged. Otherwise we'll be categorizing every place by who goes there, lives there, or is marketed toward.
Carlossuarez46 (
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01:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Relisted at
2015 SEP 11 CFD.
Good Ol’factory
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03:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)